Eh, we all know that's not true. The report does not "establish" which means they didn't reach the standard of proof of "beyond a reasonable doubt." There's a ways between that and the "clear and convincing" or "preponderance of the evidence" standards of proof. And even that pronouncement is weirdly specific, though we've got a clear reason why it's that specific and that comes from manafort's lawyers: manafort was passing internal campaign polling data to a guy (kilimnik) associated with russian intel, who works for a guy (deripaska) who considers himself "one with the [russian] state."
Didn't he directly quote the Mueller report?
Why would he misquote the report knowing that this will either get into the Public Eye and his summary could be shown as a fraud or it makes it to the Courts and the same thing happens?
You are conflating the Mueller findings on COLLUSION and CORRUPTION of Justice. Please don't do that! Thanks.
Her point was that no money was wasted because the assets seized more than covered the cost of the investigation, so perhaps stop parroting that debunked talking point? If you want to drown your sorrows and boohoo and woe is me over it all this isn't the right thread for it. Sorry.
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Which brings up what I've been saying for a while, WE (the American people) have to see the report.
As I said previously, if Trump isn't then we sure found a lot of people surrounding him doing what he was looked into for, and it's good they were removed and found out.
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What? His summary literally says as much... Do you honestly believe the quoted part is not in fact a quote from the report as it says it is???
As the report states: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”
One of the very few quotes in fact, it says, "...does not establish..." but it's important to know what that actually means re burdens of proof (they didn't find proof beyond a reasonable doubt, but not that they didn't find strong evidence supporting it, and clearly leaves room for both "clear and convincing evidence" and "preponderance of the evidence"), and is different from what barr wrote in his letter, "did not find." An important thing to note: proof beyond a reasonable doubt is mainly only used in the US justice system when we're sending people to jail. That should not be the burden of proof someone requires here. I'm not sure why someone would think that if it's only "more likely than not" (preponderance of the evidence) that the president was in a conspiracy with a hostile foreign power against the US' interests, that we shouldn't do anything about it.
Except that's completely wrong. He may not have found definitive proof that Trump himself colluded, but he was unable to exonerate Trump on obstruction charges and plenty of Trump aides ARE currently waiting on sentences for various crimes. Dozens of indictments are farmed out to other prosecutors, SDNY is snapping up evidence resulting from the investigation to bolster their cases and several other things of note.
Saying that the investigation came up with "nothing" is just being deliberately obtuse either out of self-preservation or to be a troll. I won't be the judge over which category you fall into.
Of course none of us will know the extent of the info Mueller gathered until the report is made public, if ever. Hopefully those in Congress are able to get to the bottom of it swiftly and deal out whatever justice is merited.
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Over half-a-dozen guilty pleas and convictions with likely more to come says that you are mistaken.
Were you as fiscally responsible when Republicans were spending many more millions going after Hillary Clinton? Investigations that resulted in...well, a lot of nothing.
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"...money's most powerful ability is to allow bad people to continue doing bad things at the expense of those who don't have it."
CorrectHe may not have found definitive proof that Trump himself colluded
No proof = no case.
Ah yes, if we cant get him for this we will get him for that.....right.SDNY is snapping up evidence resulting from the investigation to bolster their cases and several other things of note
Keep this up and see who wins in 2020.