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    Quote Originally Posted by Dontrike View Post
    It also doesn't exonerate him, which is the big thing. So really all that was said was "maybe, maybe not." Which is about the biggest tease you can do with something like this.
    That's not even what Mueller said too, it's Barr's interpretation of the report.

    Barr who has all the interest in the world to skew his interpretation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High View Post
    And money laundering, and bribery, an-
    these crimes are likely gonna be swept under i believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Not fact.

    The only thing we know is that Barr decided almost unilaterally that he didn't think it was.
    Didn't he directly quote the Mueller report?
    Why would he misquote the report knowing that this will either get into the Public Eye and his summary could be shown as a fraud or it makes it to the Courts and the same thing happens?

    You are conflating the Mueller findings on COLLUSION and CORRUPTION of Justice. Please don't do that! Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheramoreIsTheBomb View Post
    And your point? Money wasted on a useless investigation.
    Her point was that no money was wasted because the assets seized more than covered the cost of the investigation, so perhaps stop parroting that debunked talking point? If you want to drown your sorrows and boohoo and woe is me over it all this isn't the right thread for it. Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thepersona View Post
    I dont want to be that guy (or recieve an infraction) but please, do not repeat the talking point of the russian trolls, verbatim.
    Ill repeat whatever i like since its my opinion and mine alone.

    Muellers report is a nothingburger. A failure.

    He found bupkis. No collusion. No proof. Two years to achieve what I said would be the result two years ago.

    Nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    That's not even what Mueller said too, it's Barr's interpretation of the report.

    Barr who has all the interest in the world to skew his interpretation
    Which brings up what I've been saying for a while, WE (the American people) have to see the report.

    As I said previously, if Trump isn't then we sure found a lot of people surrounding him doing what he was looked into for, and it's good they were removed and found out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High View Post
    And money laundering, and bribery, an-
    And witness tampering, and emolument clauses violations, an-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinyc View Post
    Didn't he directly quote the Mueller report?
    No .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aehl View Post
    Ill repeat whatever i like since its my opinion and mine alone.

    Muellers report is a nothingburger. A failure.

    He found bupkis. No collusion. No proof,. Two years to achieve what I said would be the result two years ago.

    Nothing.
    It achieved a lot of guilty pleas, jail time and indictments. and we still dont know the contents of the report. Just a 2 page, doctored and sanitized version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mekkle View Post
    these crimes are likely gonna be swept under i believe.
    In so far as it won’t come to bite Trump on the ass until he’s out of office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High View Post
    And money laundering, and bribery, an-
    And just being a terrible excuse of a human being.

    A pity that's not illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mekkle View Post
    these crimes are likely gonna be swept under i believe.
    Nope. SDNY is already all over it and salivating for when Trump is no longer in office and is therefore vulnerable. With evidence passed to them from Mueller's investigation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dontrike View Post
    No.
    What? His summary literally says as much... Do you honestly believe the quoted part is not in fact a quote from the report as it says it is???

    As the report states: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinyc View Post
    Didn't he directly quote the Mueller report?
    Why would he misquote the report knowing that this will either get into the Public Eye and his summary could be shown as a fraud or it makes it to the Courts and the same thing happens?
    One of the very few quotes in fact, it says, "...does not establish..." but it's important to know what that actually means re burdens of proof (they didn't find proof beyond a reasonable doubt, but not that they didn't find strong evidence supporting it, and clearly leaves room for both "clear and convincing evidence" and "preponderance of the evidence"), and is different from what barr wrote in his letter, "did not find." An important thing to note: proof beyond a reasonable doubt is mainly only used in the US justice system when we're sending people to jail. That should not be the burden of proof someone requires here. I'm not sure why someone would think that if it's only "more likely than not" (preponderance of the evidence) that the president was in a conspiracy with a hostile foreign power against the US' interests, that we shouldn't do anything about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aehl View Post
    Ill repeat whatever i like since its my opinion and mine alone.

    Muellers report is a nothingburger. A failure.

    He found bupkis. No collusion. No proof. Two years to achieve what I said would be the result two years ago.

    Nothing.
    Except that's completely wrong. He may not have found definitive proof that Trump himself colluded, but he was unable to exonerate Trump on obstruction charges and plenty of Trump aides ARE currently waiting on sentences for various crimes. Dozens of indictments are farmed out to other prosecutors, SDNY is snapping up evidence resulting from the investigation to bolster their cases and several other things of note.

    Saying that the investigation came up with "nothing" is just being deliberately obtuse either out of self-preservation or to be a troll. I won't be the judge over which category you fall into.

    Of course none of us will know the extent of the info Mueller gathered until the report is made public, if ever. Hopefully those in Congress are able to get to the bottom of it swiftly and deal out whatever justice is merited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinyc View Post
    What? His summary literally says as much...

    As the report states: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”
    "The report"? We don't have the report. We have Barr's interpretation of it.

    I'll do what I said I'd do long ago, wait for the report, and that's what everyone should do, rather than listening to the "maybe, maybe not" from one person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinyc View Post
    Didn't he directly quote the Mueller report?
    No he didn't. He didn't even consult Mueller's opinion.

    Try again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheramoreIsTheBomb View Post
    And your point? Money wasted on a useless investigation.
    Over half-a-dozen guilty pleas and convictions with likely more to come says that you are mistaken.

    Were you as fiscally responsible when Republicans were spending many more millions going after Hillary Clinton? Investigations that resulted in...well, a lot of nothing.
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    He may not have found definitive proof that Trump himself colluded
    Correct

    No proof = no case.

    SDNY is snapping up evidence resulting from the investigation to bolster their cases and several other things of note
    Ah yes, if we cant get him for this we will get him for that.....right.

    Keep this up and see who wins in 2020.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    One of the very few quotes in fact, it says, "...does not establish..." but it's important to know what that actually means re burdens of proof (they didn't find proof beyond a reasonable doubt, but not that they didn't find strong evidence supporting it, and clearly leaves room for both "clear and convincing evidence" and "preponderance of the evidence"), and is different from what barr wrote in his letter, "did not find." An important thing to note: proof beyond a reasonable doubt is mainly only used in the US justice system when we're sending people to jail. That should not be the burden of proof someone requires here. I'm not sure why someone would think that if it's only "more likely than not" (preponderance of the evidence) that the president was in a conspiracy with a hostile foreign power against the US' interests, that we shouldn't do anything about it.
    Well I read it as Mueller has underlying evidence separate from the report. In which he lays out both sides of the argument for both charges. I would think that if Mueller doesn't see enough to bring charges on a sitting President, than who would and ever expect to have a fair trial? You can't bend the law because you don't like Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aehl View Post
    Keep this up and see who wins in 2020.
    Oh it will be Trump that wins, but that's 'cause people are retarded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dontrike View Post
    "The report"? We don't have the report. We have Barr's interpretation of it.

    I'll do what I said I'd do long ago, wait for the report, and that's what everyone should do, rather than listening to the "maybe, maybe not" from one person.
    Barr's letter does quote the report in very limited segments. But again, the wording of the quote is very specific, and doesn't actually mean what people (including barr) are construing it to mean.
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    I do not need to play the role of "holier than thou". I'm above that..

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