1. #17181
    Quote Originally Posted by Merkava View Post
    What do you mean? What does SDNY have to do with the State of New York?
    I think he means the NY AG. SDNY is still investigating trump though. So, just to be clear, even though mueller's office hasn't filed charges, trump is still being investigated even at the federal level.
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  2. #17182
    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
    All those millions of $dollars wasted on this investigation.

    Might as well piled all that money up and put a match to it.
    Oh how clever, using the same bullshit falsehood in two different threads.

  3. #17183
    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    I think he means the NY AG. SDNY is still investigating trump though. So, just to be clear, even though mueller's office hasn't filed charges, trump is still being investigated even at the federal level.
    Yes clearly. He appeared to be implying that the State of New York had control over the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York. I was just wondering why he thought that. Thanks.

  4. #17184
    Quote Originally Posted by Merkava View Post
    Yes clearly. He appeared to be implying that the State of New York had control over the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York. I was just wondering why he thought that. Thanks.
    I probably screwed up my wording, sorry about that. I'm not that well versed in all the legal stuff, I'm actually quite casual when it comes to politics, but I'm trying to learn some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merkava View Post
    Yes clearly. He appeared to be implying that the State of New York had control over the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York. I was just wondering why he thought that. Thanks.
    It would be simpler, alas, if there were fewer investigations. But since possible crimes lurk everywhere there will be as many as there need to be. For myself I have said from way back in the beginning that if Trump were to be brought down it would be for money laundering and it would be a New York state indictment. I haven't changed my mind about that. SDNY will have things to say too. The speculation was that anything Mueller came across that was a serious non-political crime would be shuffled over to that office. Don Jr., Jared, Ivanka...they should all be concerned about both the state AG and SDNY. Trump can try to pardon himself out of anything federal but the NYAG's office is something he can't avoid.
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  6. #17186
    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonKing View Post
    I probably screwed up my wording, sorry about that. I'm not that well versed in all the legal stuff, I'm actually quite casual when it comes to politics, but I'm trying to learn some.
    No need to apologize, and certainly nothign wrong with a casual attitude to politics. I thought that maybe you were implying that perhaps the New York Attorney General had recommended charges to the SDNY or perhaps vice versa.

    Thanks for offering the clarification.

  7. #17187
    Oh god, the right wing spin is going off the rails here. I mean, it would have regardless of what Mueller said, but it's always fun to see it in action. They seem to skip over the fact that Mueller didn't find that collusion didn't occur at all, only that attempts to collude were unsuccessful; it also did not find that obstruction did not occur, just that it wasn't provable beyond a reasonable doubt because, as all obstruction cases tend to go, it's near impossible to prove intent.

    I wasn't expecting much else from the report, as I've said from the start. Trump's not an evil asshole. He's a stupid asshole. He's not an evil mastermind who spun wizardry and intrigue. He's a dumb shit who did illegal things because he was too stupid to know to do otherwise. He'll probably face action from the various states on those counts, but for the scope of Mueller's probe, this isn't too surprising. Even this thread mostly worked around the idea of "Mueller will turn up something not directly related to the case that shows Trump for the shitlord he is." And to be fair, that happened, but Mueller decided it wasn't his job to deal with it.

  8. #17188
    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    It would be simpler, alas, if there were fewer investigations. But since possible crimes lurk everywhere there will be as many as there need to be. For myself I have said from way back in the beginning that if Trump were to be brought down it would be for money laundering and it would be a New York state indictment. I haven't changed my mind about that.
    Eh, I don't think money laundering would garner an impeachment. Yeah, he's probably done it, but it's not really a high crime or misdemeanor unless there's an obstruction charge related to it or unless he was actively being blackmailed over it (and then, again, whatever he's being blackmailed to do would probably be the high crime or misdemeanor). It's despicable. It should prevent him from being re-elected. But I put that in the same category as clinton's perjury: a crime, but not worth removing a president over.
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  9. #17189
    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonKing View Post
    I probably screwed up my wording, sorry about that. I'm not that well versed in all the legal stuff, I'm actually quite casual when it comes to politics, but I'm trying to learn some.
    You should be glad you don't know much about politics. Its core laid bare is just tribalism. Picture cavemen fighting but with words this time and it's because they think differently to each other.

    You shouldn't get into it because all it does to you is draws you into a well of hate and negativity. Before long you'll find your own particular tribe to fight for and you'll become fanatical like the posters in this thread. Just observe and watch how human nature gets the best of them, use that as inspiration not to become like them.

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    I think we just all need to reel ourselves in a bit, a little too soon to be biting each throats. Their is likely more details coming soon for better or worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post

    And then this fuck gets nothing for trolling like this lol.
    As I understand it, trolling is defined as posting something you don't really mean in order to stir up trouble.

    Trust me, I meant what I said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    Eh, I don't think money laundering would garner an impeachment.
    I didn't say it would but you are not wrong to call out what I wrote as imprecise.

    I think it will possibly land his ass in criminal court the day after he walks out of the White House. If indictments do come down they are likely to be sealed and then unsealed on January 21, 2020 if he loses. 2024 if he doesn't. The family itself will have no protection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mekkle View Post
    I think we just all need to reel ourselves in a bit, a little too soon to be biting each throats. Their is likely more details coming soon for better or worse.
    Welcome to American politics. It's been like this for a long time before Trump came around. Trump was just so polarizing that it seems like it only started with him. It didn't. The American political climate has been toxic for years, and the media does a good job of keeping people mad at each other and not at the real people making the US a corrupt shit show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Realitytrembles View Post
    As I understand it, trolling is defined as posting something you don't really mean in order to stir up trouble.

    Trust me, I meant what I said.
    Can just be posting specifically to antagonize others. Doesn't matter whether or not you mean it.

    Here's the rules your previous post would fall under:

    Making non-constructive posts
    Causing disturbances in forum threads, such as picking fights, making off topic posts that ruin the thread, insulting other posters
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    Can just be posting specifically to antagonize others. Doesn't matter whether or not you mean it.

    Here's the rules your previous post would fall under:

    Making non-constructive posts
    Causing disturbances in forum threads, such as picking fights, making off topic posts that ruin the thread, insulting other posters
    Thanks. I'm not fully versed in all internet terminology. Learned something new today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    I didn't say it would but you are not wrong to call out what I wrote as imprecise.

    I think it will possibly land his ass in criminal court the day after he walks out of the White House. If indictments do come down they are likely to be sealed and then unsealed on January 21, 2020 if he loses. 2024 if he doesn't. The family itself will have no protection.
    Eh, I would think the family's would also be sealed because the prosecution would expect a pardon, but I don't actually know if that would be a legal reason to postpone trial, so who knows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinyc View Post
    Welcome to American politics. It's been like this for a long time before Trump came around. Trump was just so polarizing that it seems like it only started with him. It didn't. The American political climate has been toxic for years, and the media does a good job of keeping people mad at each other and not at the real people making the US a corrupt shit show.
    Trump has been quite brilliant in casting the investigation as something out of a TV show. It's worked well for him and mainstream media is willing to play along since few of them are really interested in either truth or a resolution that will make the story end.

    Prosecutors don't care one way or another about that if they have the means to go to trial. James Fallows did a piece on CBS This Morning today about how judicial reality is different from the instant-turn-and-resolve plot points on most crime shows. It's a good piece.
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    Judiciary Committee is going through the procedural stuff to call in Barr, as Nadler claimed hours ago, while the House Intel Committee is now set to call in Mueller.

    We're not done yet.
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    From my perspective it is an uncle who was is a "simple" slat of the earth person, who has religous beliefs I may or may not fully agree with, but who in the end of the day wants to go hope, kiss his wife, and kids, and enjoy their company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    Eh, I would think the family's would also be sealed because the prosecution would expect a pardon, but I don't actually know if that would be a legal reason to postpone trial, so who knows.
    He can't pardon anyone if it comes from the New York State AG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullettime View Post
    Judiciary Committee is going through the procedural stuff to call in Barr, as Nadler claimed hours ago, while the House Intel Committee is now set to call in Mueller.

    We're not done yet.
    Of course we're not. If Trumpkins thought this was just going to be over based on 1 person's interpretation, they're kidding themselves.

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