1. #17341
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I can't imagine Barr would straight up lie about the conclusions, nor that Mueller would allow that.

    But there are a whole lot of questions that won't be answered until the report, or as much of it as possible, is released more broadly.
    I agree, but theres still a lot of legal wiggleroom. Consider this sentence from Barr's letter to congress

    As the report states: "[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."
    As you probably know, the capital T in brackets indicates it wasn't the first word in the sentence. Why not include what came before it?

    The first underlined part raises the question, did anyone from the Trump campaign coordinate with any Russians outside of the Russian government, but with ties to Russian governement? Looking at you, Konstantin Kilimnik.

    The 2nd underlined part; did someone from the Trump campaign coordinate with anyone with ties to the Russian govt on any other matters, such as the timing of the release of stolen documents?

    Obviously Barr is an inteligent and experienced lawyer. He's going to choose his words carefully. Like you said, we simply won't know until and unless we can see the entire repot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    I'm not the one with an agenda here man. I stand for truth, justice, and the American way.
    No you don't, and if I were point out what you are, I'd get infracted.

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    I don't care if he committed tax fraud. Scoring political victories and crushing the aspirations of your political opponents is more important than adhering to moral principles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    That's a good point. Trump was never interviewed once, even though he said he would many times, and a decision that quickly is questionable.

    The report just needs to come out, it's about the only way right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
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    $12.3 million dollars for this investigation. Could've gave that money to NASA or the national parks.

    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...sting-updated/
    What do you not get that it made money?

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    The Trumpsters are in full damage control mode before the shit even hits. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragedaug View Post
    8 Investigations found that their was gross incompetence in the State Department which lead to the death of U.S. citizens who were left to die. 8 Investigations found that the State department lied to the U.S. public about what was happening in Benghazi.

    You. Are. Wrong.
    What?! The government is incompetent! Well that's never happened before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragedaug View Post
    So no accusations against Trump have been proven true.
    "Doesn't exonerate" is the most ignored piece of writing on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bdatik View Post
    No you don't, and if I were point out what you are, I'd get infracted.
    Brohan, that was just some post-irony.

  7. #17347
    Quote Originally Posted by Ragedaug View Post
    Dems 2016: Why won't Trump make his tax returns available to the public and makes sure the Mueller report goes public?!?!?!?!? He must have something to hide!!!!!

    Dems 2012: Who cares if Obama doesn't release the long form birth certificate??!?!?!?!?!? He has nothing to hide!!!!!!

    Dems 2016: Who cares if Hillary delete emails from her own private server?????!?!?!?!??! She has nothing to hide!!!!!



    So yeah, kinda funny when the hypocrisy is so transparent. "My guy is righteous and no one should look at their stuff, but their guy is evil and we should investigate until we find proof". ~ Democrats & Republicans (for the foreseeable future)
    You literally conflated the actual conspiracy that Obama is birthed somewhere else to tax returns.........

    The fuck is wrong with you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    Trump is making sure it doesnt go public?
    Tax returns? Yes. He said he is willing to go to the Supreme Court to keep them hidden.

    Now why would someone go to such lengths to do something like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragedaug View Post
    I've never been a Trump supporter.
    Why does every single one say that and think others will believe them?

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  8. #17348
    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
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    $12.3 million dollars for this investigation. Could've gave that money to NASA or the national parks.

    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...sting-updated/
    And it still made money. Making this argument over and over, doesn't mean shit when Manafort alone had $46 million worth of assets seized. That and you didn't say shit about the Email and Benghazi investigations that cost more than that and got no one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martymark View Post
    I found this article amusing. A collection of some of the craziest chicken little moments from the saga:

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/03/25/m...ort-fake-news/
    Yeah, link the site owned by the white nationalist cuckboy Tucker Carlson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragedaug View Post
    I've never been a Trump supporter. Soooo.... you just like making baseless accusations because you have no actual point?
    Yeah, bull-fucking-shit. For someone that hasn't been a Trump supporter, you sure do spend a lot of time defending him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheramoreIsTheBomb View Post
    Just because you defend Trump doesn’t mean you support him.
    Sorry, I don't defend people that are unindicted co conspirators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    And it still made money. Making this argument over and over, doesn't mean shit when Manafort alone had $46 million worth of assets seized. That and you didn't say shit about the Email and Benghazi investigations that cost more than that and got no one.

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    Yeah, link the site owned by the white nationalist cuckboy Tucker Carlson.

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    Yeah, bull-fucking-shit. For someone that hasn't been a Trump supporter, you sure do spend a lot of time defending him.

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    Sorry, I don't defend people that are unindicted co conspirators.
    I hope this type of behavior is only experienced on some very limited american elite bubbles and\or with some online personas.
    Because this is how the USA gets a second Trump term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkeon View Post
    I hope this type of behavior is only experienced on some very limited american elite bubbles and\or with some online personas.
    Because this is how the USA gets a second Trump term.
    What the actual fuck does that have to do with ANYTHING I said in any of those 4 replies? Keep to your side of the pond.

  11. #17351
    Quote Originally Posted by Mighty Tim View Post
    You know I doubt that more and more by the day here.
    The only things mods count as conspiracy theories is stuff like flat earth and moon landing denial. We've been told that everything else is "a valid political opinion."
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    I do not need to play the role of "holier than thou". I'm above that..

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    Alright, why would McConnel block it. Can i get an a reasonable response?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mekkle View Post
    Alright, why would McConnel block it. Can i get an a reasonable response?
    Probably because Trump told him to. Because he knows that Barr's assessment is bullshit and that Congress would prosecute for obstruction of justice because we know he did that, several times. That is about the only excuses that are valid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merkava View Post
    I agree, but theres still a lot of legal wiggleroom. Consider this sentence from Barr's letter to congress



    As you probably know, the capital T in brackets indicates it wasn't the first word in the sentence. Why not include what came before it?

    The first underlined part raises the question, did anyone from the Trump campaign coordinate with any Russians outside of the Russian government, but with ties to Russian government? Looking at you, Konstantin Kilimnik.

    The 2nd underlined part; did someone from the Trump campaign coordinate with anyone with ties to the Russian govt on any other matters, such as the timing of the release of stolen documents?

    Obviously Barr is an inteligent and experienced lawyer. He's going to choose his words carefully. Like you said, we simply won't know until and unless we can see the entire report.
    And again, as it was a criminal investigation, all we know is that the evidence didn't rise to "beyond a reasonable doubt," about coordinating specifically with official members of the russian govt. We don't know what standards of proof short of that were met.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    Probably because Trump told him to. Because he knows that Barr's assessment is bullshit and that Congress would prosecute for obstruction of justice because we know he did that, several times. That is about the only excuses that are valid.
    I just can't see how it would benefit him politically at all. At least if he let the full report out or feigned "support" for it he could save some face. This just makes things very very suspicious from my simple minded point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mekkle View Post
    I just can't see how it would benefit him politically at all. At least if he let the full report out or feigned "support" for it he could save some face. This just makes things very very suspicious from my simple minded point of view.
    There is a reason that Trump was quiet all weekend about being faux exonerated by Barr. Because he knows that he is in trouble if the whole thing is released.

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    The report is going to get out eventually. The GOP is probably hoping to drag this out until 2020.

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    I've finally had some time to sit and stew over this. The report and the summary dropped while I was in the middle of a home renovation, so I only had time to make a few snarky comments here and there, but that was fine because it was pretty much as I expected it would be. Not that I didn't hope for more, but 2016 and daily interaction with the people and events that have come crawling out of the woodwork since then have gotten me pretty used to this Twilight Zone the planet has shifted into. And I'm not going to lie, I really want to throw an "I told you so" at the people around here who kept saying "No, no, this is totally different and the fuckbags are going to get shit on soon." Nope, we're firmly in shit trench, and we're only going to go deeper from here.

    But, still, I've had time to think about it. And as much as I've come to expect garbage from garbageville, I've still been getting more and more annoyed by the little things. Mueller's refusal to come to a conclusion on obstruction feels like a cop out. After all, Trump went on national television and admitted to obstructing justice less than 48 hours after obstructing justice. He then went on to do so in private in conversations that have been multiple times confirmed, and has again and again pulled similar acts also with their own outright confessions. There is no definition of obstruction that exists that more clearly defines it than Trump's own actions, but I imagine if we ever do get to see the full report, it'll rationalize this cop-out by means of Trump being too stupid to understand that he was obstructing justice. Which is probably true, yet if I were to rob a bank but somehow be too stupid to know I was robbing the bank, I'd still be on the hook for robbing the bank.

    It all really feels like a continuation of the South Park episodes where Garrison was doing everything he could to lose the election but just kept gaining in popularity. There should be a South Park episode where Garrison commits a crime in open view of the whole town and on video, then keeps admitting to having committed the crime, but Officer Barbrady and Detective Yates insist that they'll investigate it and then ultimately can't conclude that he did it. No, scrap that, I don't think any parody can accurately reflect how ridiculous the whole thing is.

    I don't really care about the Russia thing. Trump has been a shitlord for over half a century, and his shitlording with Russia seems pretty minor compared to the rest of the shitlording he's done in his life. I think a lot of people were hoping that the investigation into Russia would lead into an investigation into Trump's shittery, which would almost certainly lead to charges - but examining how Mueller's wrapped up this case leads me to believe that he stayed laser-focused on Russian-linked charges despite the broad scope of his order. He turned in the report while having multiple cases that haven't even gone to trial yet, even though he had spent months working with those he charged in his earlier cases - plenty of these folks probably have a lot to say about Trump's shadier business dealings, but they're not getting the same offers for cooperation. This suggests that Mueller was only looking to get to the bottom of the Russia well, not to go on a Tolkien journey to Trump's personal Mordor of depravity.

    And that last point gets me annoyed even more. Even every Trumpian fuckbag in this thread argues from that same vague place of Yeah, maybe Trump did commit a crime, but it wasn't this one and you didn't catch him! Neener neener! Imagine being that okay with the corruption of your chosen team's chosen candidate. That's an unprecedented level of fuckery and nothing to be proud of. It's a mental god damn illness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapemask View Post
    And that last point gets me annoyed even more. Even every Trumpian fuckbag in this thread argues from that same vague place of Yeah, maybe Trump did commit a crime, but it wasn't this one and you didn't catch him! Neener neener! Imagine being that okay with the corruption of your chosen team's chosen candidate. That's an unprecedented level of fuckery and nothing to be proud of. It's a mental god damn illness.
    Pretty much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mekkle View Post
    Alright, why would McConnel block it. Can i get an a reasonable response?
    You wont get any from the woke conservatives on this board, but this, just like the four page summary itself is a blaring five alarm fire siren. We are losing our country to authoritarianism.
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    There is a problem, but I know just banning guns will fix the problem.

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