1. #17361
    Quote Originally Posted by Toppy View Post
    They can never provide much in the way of examples except highly isolated cases.

    They seem to think that one occurrence of something on the left excuses dozens occurrences of the same on the right.

    They're not that great at math.
    I think politicians in general are more crooked then you give them credit for.

  2. #17362
    Quote Originally Posted by Mighty Tim View Post
    I think politicians in general are more crooked then you give them credit for.
    I dont excuse politicians or even think that both sides don't have crooks.

    I'm saying that its far more common on the right. Which based on what we know, it's unquestionably true. They get caught in far more scandals and outright lies than the left does and support far more detestable groups.

    The only way to possibly think that the left and right is the same, is to be ignorant of political news and history in general, since the information is openly available.
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  3. #17363
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    I think it's pretty obvious that the whole thing came up empty, instead of wasting time trying to catch a shadow - start properly preparing for 2020, so that shitshow of 2016 won't repeat itself.
    It was going to repeat no matter what. Stupid people are always doing stupid things and infecting others with their stupid, how else do you explain a bunch of people thinking Trump would take down the Hollywood & Wallstreet elite, while literally being one of the fucking elite.

    These are people that think a man that tried to look at a solar fucking eclipse will solve immigration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mighty Tim View Post
    I think politicians in general are more crooked then you give them credit for.
    Glad you agree Trump is far more crooked than we think, and we already think he is one of the most crooked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fincayra View Post
    The best thing about American politics, is that what the left accuses the right of, they are usually guilty of as well.
    Pretty much everything that the right accuse the left of, they are doing multiple times themselves. Including, apparently, accusing the other side of accusing their side.

    Is this some kind of alt-right inception thing? Is this a meta-accusation?
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  5. #17365
    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    Pretty much everything that the right accuse the left of, they are doing multiple times themselves. Including, apparently, accusing the other side of accusing their side.

    Is this some kind of alt-right inception thing? Is this a meta-accusation?
    They are incapable or unwilling of looking at themselves with a critical eye.
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  6. #17366
    Quote Originally Posted by Ragedaug View Post
    I defend common sense. I've never liked Trump and you'll see that statement is consistent throughout my post history. I would love nothing more than if the Democrats impeached Trump. That would be a win-win for me.

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    I haven't complained about the money wasted investigating Trump. That's normally a line spouted by hypocrites mad that their tribe is being investigated. You have no problems with money spent investigating the other tribe, but are pissed that money is spent investigating your tribe.

    If we suspect someone of wrong doing we should investigate. My issues with the whole "Russia Collusion" isn't the money wasted, but the false information information used to get a FISA warrant to spy on the political opposition during an election. That's way more concerning to me.
    We didn't waste money we got 48 million in assets while the investigation cost 25 million. What false information? The problem is republicans never get conviction or assets they just burn money to burn money. If the investigation caught criminals and locked them up or made money, I wouldn't care but they do the exact opposite. They've spent over 30 million investigating clintons so far.

    They are also starting the investigation in late 2019 to play poltical games. Rather than as soon as possible if they really is wrong doing.

    The investigation into Trumps and his families charities made money as well. Every investigation into trump makes a profit so far but we got nothing on Hillary after wasting 30 million+
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  7. #17367
    Quote Originally Posted by ViolenceJackRespectsWomen View Post
    We didn't waste money investigating Trump mueller got 48 million in assets while the investigation cost 25 million. What false information? The problem is republicans never get conviction or assets seizer they just burn money to burn money. If the investigation caught criminals and locked them up or made money, I wouldn't care but they do the exact opposite.
    They could plausibly make money too if they wouldn't hand Clinton staffers immunity.

    Which i would assume to not happen again if investigation will be renewed.

  8. #17368
    Quote Originally Posted by Ragedaug View Post
    I defend common sense. I've never liked Trump and you'll see that statement is consistent throughout my post history. I would love nothing more than if the Democrats impeached Trump. That would be a win-win for me.
    No you don't defend common sense. You defend Trump.

    Case in point, with all the indictments and knowing Trump's handpicked lackey said he IS NOT exonerated from crimes, you still are doing some stupid bullshit victory lap.
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  9. #17369
    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    It's not a cop out. The "non-standard prosecutorial decision" was that he thought it should go to congress... because that's what the precedent was. Barr literally doesn't believe the president can obstruct justice by ordering an investigation to be closed, or for firing someone for investigating him. His views on obstruction are why he was appointed.
    When people start talking about this going to Congress, I really hope they understand that there is no future to this where any meaningful action is taken against Trump. A Congressional decision, especially if it requires the Senate, is the worst possible outcome. The full report could detail Trump as having committed every crime outlined in every state and federal code, it could state that it found Trump directly transferring classified documents to Putin on WhatsApp, it could say he illegally funnels money through the White House kitchen, but so long as the conclusion is left to Congress, they will never take significant action against Trump. Best case scenario, they all yell really loudly about how much they disapprove, maybe they let it get to a Senate vote, then they sacrifice just enough players who are running in competitive states but not enough to pass it. The only hope this ever had was if Mueller came to a definitive conclusion himself, or if he indicted someone undeniably close to Trump.

    Quote Originally Posted by Somewhatconcerned View Post
    Good take.

    There are some of us on the left who have admitted defeat since 2016 and are disappointed with the lack of introspection from the left and refusal to "out-policy" the other side. I don't see the left wrestling back any significant power any time soon so maybe this will be a good time for them to learn and adapt.
    Listen. You've simultaneously claimed to be on the right and left in this thread alone, and while I don't play whatever the leftwing version is of "everyone who doesn't mindlessly support our policy is a RINO, EJECT," it's clear that you're playing the intellectually dishonest propaganda art that specifically the alt right has mastered. Cut it out.

  10. #17370
    Quote Originally Posted by ViolenceJackRespectsWomen View Post
    We didn't waste money we got 48 million in assets while the investigation cost 25 million. What false information? The problem is republicans never get conviction or assets they just burn money to burn money. If the investigation caught criminals and locked them up or made money, I wouldn't care but they do the exact opposite. They've spend over 30 million investigating clintons so far.

    They are also starting the investigation in late 2019 to play poltical games. Rather than as soon as possible if they really is wrong doing.

    The investigation into Trumps and his families charities made money as well. Every investigation into trump makes a profit so far but we got nothing on Hillary after wasting 30 million+
    Whitewater alone cost over 70 million. The most prominent Benghazi investigation ran up 7 million, and that was just 1 of 8. All told, the State Department spent around 14 million in defense for the various Benghazi investigations. Next time some shitbag whines about how much the Special Counsel cost while simultaneously chanting "Lock Her Up!" kindly point out that the GoP's attempts at doing just that have already cost us over 100 million trying to do just that and came up with an actual nothingburger. Also point out that had the GoP had it's way, Whitewater would have continued on for a few more years at an even more exorbitant cost were it not for the Rey Report finally shutting it down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapemask View Post
    When people start talking about this going to Congress, I really hope they understand that there is no future to this where any meaningful action is taken against Trump. A Congressional decision, especially if it requires the Senate, is the worst possible outcome.
    This deserved emphasis.

    If there are institutional policies that suggest a sitting President can't be indicted (a bullshit idea that can do nothing but protect a scoundrel, I'll note), then impeachment is the only way to remove Trump. And impeachment is not truly about justice. It could be, with representatives who vote their conscience rather than any consideration for party allegiance, but we've clearly seen that most Republicans will not act that way. The Senate can't be relied on to support any such proceeding, which means any such impeachment would likely fail, no matter the evidence. Better to not give Trump that "win" at all.

    Better to wait until 2020 and Trump not being re-elected, and file indictments the moment he's out of office. This also evades any chance of Trump issuing pardons for anyone else caught up in such. As long as the statute of limitations on the crimes in question hasn't expired in that time, it's shitty, but justice will still come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saucexorzski View Post
    Oh boy another accusation that I'm a fox news Trump supporter...these never get old.
    I never said that either. But it's impossible to deny that Fox has been laser-focussed on AOC since the day she took office. It would not surprise me if they spin off a show just for her soon. Why is she wrong for fighting back?

  13. #17373
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Yes, because one person is a member of a political campaign actively taking meetings with representatives from a foreign government offering support for the campaign, which is illegal. The other is a research firm that is not bound by the same laws or restrictions and if they had similar meetings to try to get information out of her that's allowed.

    You're basically upset that normal behavior is normal and doesn't validate your incorrect views of how things "should be". Because you're continuing to mischaracterize almost everything.
    The meeting between Don Jr. and the Russian Lawyer is no more illegal than the Lawyer meeting with Fusion and no more illegal than Ted Kennedy's memos to the Russians. Getting oppo info from other governments isn't illegal. If it was, Clinton would be just as guilty. Don Jr. is getting paid by a campaign, the same way Fusion was getting paid by the other campaign. His relationship to the nominee doesn't impact anything. I'm not sure why you would think there are different rules.

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  14. #17374
    Quote Originally Posted by Dontrike View Post


    Glad you agree Trump is far more crooked than we think, and we already think he is one of the most crooked.
    Politicians in general, why is this hard for you to admit?

  15. #17375
    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/cns-news/

    Care to try again with a credible news source?
    Why? The veracity of the source doesn't change the data. The information they are quoting is from transcripts from the Senate Judiciary Committee. Do you care to try again to counter the actual information instead of attacking an irrelevant source?

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  16. #17376
    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    Politicians in general, why is this hard for you to admit?
    Why are the ways Trump is crooked more palatable for you then?
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  17. #17377
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    No you don't defend common sense. You defend Trump.

    Case in point, with all the indictments and knowing Trump's handpicked lackey said he IS NOT exonerated from crimes, you still are doing some stupid bullshit victory lap.
    Yeah, I got no idea what you are going for here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pipebomb View Post
    Glenn Greenwald: Russia Collusion 'Conspiracy' Was "Saddest Media Spectacle I Have Ever Seen"

    "...what makes it even sadder is to watch all the people who invested their journalistic credibility into what proved to be a complete and total fraud and scam continue to try and cling to some vestige of credibility by continuing to spin conspiracy theories..."

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    lol...
    And Greenwald is more obliged to trust Barr, a political appointee of Trump?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogueMatthias View Post
    I think now that we've heard from the report one thing is pretty clear at this point. Mueller is on Putin's payroll too now! Why else would he say there was no collusion when I know for a fact there was. I don't know when they got to him or what they're holding over him but nobody's safe from Russias evil manipulations.

    (Also, I feel we need another new "We're taking your president from you" thread in Skroes honour)
    We haven't heard from the report, both the DOJ and Senate republicans are blocking the release so they stay ahead of the curve to control the messaging once it is public, since it is probably hundreds or thousands of pages long.
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  19. #17379
    Quote Originally Posted by Ragedaug View Post
    Yeah, I got no idea what you are going for here.
    You are acting like Trump won, even though the investigation has busted a lot of people who were very influential in Trump's campaign and presidency. And his AG who was picked specifically because he was against the investigation in the first place said Trump is not exonerated of certain crimes.

    Not sure why this is hard for you to understand as a defender of common sense.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    Politicians in general, why is this hard for you to admit?
    Trump promised to be different.

    Trump promised to Drain the Swamp.

    Trump promised the most transparent administration ever.

    Trump said someone under FBI investigation shouldn't be even allowed to run for office.

    Promise broken. Promise broken. Promise broken. Hypocrite.

    Trump said he'd be different. You, like the rabid fanbase, is now using "all politicians are crooked" trying to forget that Trump was supposed to be different.

    Also, "all politicians are crooked" is not a defense of Trump being crooked. Call him out, or admit you're a hypocrite. There is no third option. Sorry. I don't make the rules.

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