Mega-Thread: Mueller investigation

[Breccia]

Hey remember in 2008 when --

"Just get to it."

Fine. Mueller adds another lawyer to his team -- strange, Mueller has no problem finding lawyers, maybe Trump should ask him how he does it -- and one who's run an investigation before. Specifically, the guy who investigated Palin, for firing a law enforcement officer, supposedly without good reason.

Sound familiar?

Oh...and this guy, he's a Republican. No handwringing about bias today!

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Also, Roger Stone joins the list of people telling Trump not to testify.

[NYC17]

Hey remember in 2008 when --

"Just get to it."

Fine. Mueller adds another lawyer to his team -- strange, Mueller has no problem finding lawyers, maybe Trump should ask him how he does it -- and one who's run an investigation before. Specifically, the guy who investigated Palin, for firing a law enforcement officer, supposedly without good reason.

Sound familiar?

Oh...and this guy, he's a Republican. No handwringing about bias today!

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Also, Roger Stone joins the list of people telling Trump not to testify.

Eh, this is a few days old and he's not joining Mueller's investigation. He's assisting Rosenstein in overseeing Mueller's investigation.

[Kiri]

Oh...and this guy, he's a Republican. No handwringing about bias today!

So is Mueller himself. Didn't you get the memo? Anyone who is - or rather could potentially be - against Trump immediately becomes a Democrat, no questions asked.

Heck, George W. Bush is only like 1 or 2 favorable comparisons to Trump away from becoming, and always having been, a Dem.

[Breccia]

Hey remember the time Roger Stone got interviewed by InfoWars (HAHAHAHAHA) and said, on Oct 2, 2016, that a big WikiLeaks release of hacked emails was coming?

And it turns out, it was?

Stone has since denied meeting or talking with WikiLeaks, a thief working for Putin. Odd, then, that he seemed to have that kind of insider knowledge to within a couple days.

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Bla bla bla Manafort files a motion to suppress bla bla bla third set of indictments against him including collusion bla bla bla "inevitable discovery" bla bla bla burden of proof is very high bla bla bla four of the seven were redacted indicating they are new charges unrelated to the current ones.

[Orbitus]

Hey remember the time Roger Stone got interviewed by InfoWars (HAHAHAHAHA) and said, on Oct 2, 2016, that a big WikiLeaks release of hacked emails was coming?

And it turns out, it was?

Stone has since denied meeting or talking with WikiLeaks, a thief working for Putin. Odd, then, that he seemed to have that kind of insider knowledge to within a couple days.

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Bla bla bla Manafort files a motion to suppress bla bla bla third set of indictments against him including collusion bla bla bla "inevitable discovery" bla bla bla burden of proof is very high bla bla bla four of the seven were redacted indicating they are new charges unrelated to the current ones.

Did you forget the post, I might have missed it, that Manafort has had 7 search warrants issued against him over the last year? You really have to have fucked up if you have had 7 search warrants against you.

[Ripster42]

Did you forget the post, I might have missed it, that Manafort has had 7 search warrants issued against him over the last year? You really have to have fucked up if you have had 7 search warrants against you.

Manafort's defense is basically "hope for a pardon" or "win on a technicality." The judge presiding over one of his cases has already basically started calling out manafort's counsel's frivolous motions (though I don't think there is any penalty for defense counsel making frivolous motions in criminal trials like there is for civil trials).

[Breccia]

Manafort's defense is basically "hope for a pardon" or "win on a technicality."

This is exactly right.

While there's surely stuff going on we don't know about due to gag orders, there has yet to be a defense Manafort has publicly tried that was "I didn't do it". It's been "Mueller should never have jurisdiction over that stuff I did".

And, as we've seen this very week, the judge has once again said "yes he does" the FBI has said "yes he does" and Mueller said "it doesn't matter, I'm coming after you for collusion next, here are some more indictments".

Can't wait to see Trump's rabid fanbase try to explain the pardon on someone who worked on his campaign and worked with Russia -- even if the two, somehow, aren't connected, it's becoming more and more clear that Trump hired someone entrenched in illegal Russian shit. Pardoning someone who worked so closely with Russia, even if unrelated to his campaign, should be a political death sentence.

[NYC17]

This is exactly right.

While there's surely stuff going on we don't know about due to gag orders, there has yet to be a defense Manafort has publicly tried that was "I didn't do it". It's been "Mueller should never have jurisdiction over that stuff I did".

And, as we've seen this very week, the judge has once again said "yes he does" the FBI has said "yes he does" and Mueller said "it doesn't matter, I'm coming after you for collusion next, here are some more indictments".

Can't wait to see Trump's rabid fanbase try to explain the pardon on someone who worked on his campaign and worked with Russia -- even if the two, somehow, aren't connected, it's becoming more and more clear that Trump hired someone entrenched in illegal Russian shit. Pardoning someone who worked so closely with Russia, even if unrelated to his campaign, should be a political death sentence.

The odd part is that even among Trumpeteers, from what I have seen anyway, there doesn't seem to be a groundswell of support, for Manafort. So pardoning him would be such a blatantly self-interested move it seems like the only thing it could accomplish would be to hurt Trump.

Not that Trump is ever aware of anything outside his own immediate gratification or interest though.

[Ripster42]

The odd part is that even among Trumpeteers, from what I have seen anyway, there doesn't seem to be a groundswell of support, for Manafort. So pardoning him would be such a blatantly self-interested move it seems like the only thing it could accomplish would be to hurt Trump.

Again, trump doesn't care how it looks. "I could stand on 5th avenue and shoot someone and I wouldn't lose any voters."

[NYC17]

Again, trump doesn't care how it looks. "I could stand on 5th avenue and shoot someone and I wouldn't lose any voters."

Pretty sure I made that point immediately after what you quoted

[NYC17]

With this?

That most assuredly does not say the same thing. One is speaking to the mindless devotion of his followers, the other is speaking to his own narcissism.

Yes? I mean it's pretty clear. Is playing a game of semantics something fun for you?

[alexw]

The odd part is that even among Trumpeteers, from what I have seen anyway, there doesn't seem to be a groundswell of support, for Manafort. So pardoning him would be such a blatantly self-interested move it seems like the only thing it could accomplish would be to hurt Trump.

Not that Trump is ever aware of anything outside his own immediate gratification or interest though.

The problem for Trump is that they are actually too delusional. Normally its not a problem for him but rather an asset but here it very much is. They believe there was no collusion and its all been made up. Ergo why should he pardon Manafort when nothing Manafort says or knows will end up hurting Trump? What reason could he have for doing it? So in this one case the delusions of his base are a hindrance to him rather than an asset.

[Ripster42]

Pretty sure I made that point immediately after what you quoted

Did you edit that in there? I quoted you then googled for his quote, so I might have caught you before the edit timer expired. I don't remember cutting anything out of your post, though I might have and just not remembered it.

[NYC17]

Did you edit that in there? I quoted you then googled for his quote, so I might have caught you before the edit timer expired. I don't remember cutting anything out of your post, though I might have and just not remembered it.

Nope. Part of the original posting.

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It's not my fault you're claiming a statement means something different than what it actually does.

You're making an argument that not even the person who quoted me is making. He's saying he didn't see it.

You should probably just stop now. You didn't comprehend what was written properly. It happens. I suggest getting over it.

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The problem for Trump is that they are actually too delusional. Normally its not a problem for him but rather an asset but here it very much is. They believe there was no collusion and its all been made up. Ergo why should he pardon Manafort when nothing Manafort says or knows will end up hurting Trump? What reason could he have for doing it? So in this one case the delusions of his base are a hindrance to him rather than an asset.

Eh maybe. Personally I think it has more to do with the fact that Trump "fired" Manafort so they feel as if Trump was somehow ahead of the curve.

[Ripster42]

Nope. Part of the original posting.

My bad.

[NYC17]

My bad.

Not an issue at all. It happens.

[Breccia]

The latest of Manafort's desperate attempts to get anything in court to go his way has, again, been put into "upside the head" territory. He begged for a bail decrease under the legal argument of "because Mueller seized all my bank accounts as evidence, I don't have $10 million anymore".

The judge responded with "even if I wanted to, the items forfeited in bail are evidence in a state crime involving bank fraud, so no".

That's right: not only are state charges actually becoming relevant now (good luck pardoning those), but Manafort is actually using evidence from one trial, as bail for another trial. That's how corrupt he is. He doesn't have any legitimate sources of funds left anymore.

That fucker's going to crack like an egg in a microwave set to "Fallout 4".

[Poopymonster]

UPDATE:
Skroe has been banned. What's the next major shitstorm to hit Agolf Twittler?

[Breccia]

That fund Trump set upsupposedly to help those targeted by Mueller with their legal expenses (has anyone used it yet?) is under further fire by the GOP.

Ethics watchdogs and Democrats in Congress have said there are several areas ripe for abuse. The fund manager is able to communicate with the Trump campaign. Though such 527 groups report their donors to the Internal Revenue Service, they can accept contributions from corporate entities, including limited liability corporations and nonprofits, that do not have to disclose the original source of the funding.

Democrats on the House Oversight Committee sent a letter earlier this month to the OGE asking for additional information.

Expect to read more about this later as the FBI raids Cohen's office.

Oh, right, forgot to mention: the FBI raided Cohen's office but that might be the Stormy Daniels thing.

[Elegiac]

Okay @Breccia, Skroe got infracted again; I expect critical new developments this week. Don't let me down man.

I'm hoping this is a sign from Allah that whatever they seized in Cohen's office is damning.