Mega-Thread: Mueller investigation

[Canpinter]

Read through my post history and call me a Trumpster again

Also it was @beanman12345 that brought up Clinton, not me.

did i call YOU a trumpkin?

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[Ashrynn]

Why are you talking about the Clintons? at least try to maintain the illusion of "centrist".

@beanman12345 was the one who brought it up. If you all want to drop it now, FINE. I don't know why it was relevant either.

And yeah being in the center means I get to punt at both sides.

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did i call YOU a trumpkin?

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I'm literally the only one on the Clinton e-mail thing that's saying there is something wrong there. But ok. Who was it aimed at?

[Felya]

Hillary was, at worst, negligent. But even the FBI didn't think she was willfully negligent to the degree that criminal charges were recommended.

As for myself, I doubt that Hillary even knows what an email server is. I doubt there are many politicians that have any idea. They just tell their tech people "make it so I can send and receive email".

The thing is... there is a really bad line in that statement... a line that does hint at conspiracy. The problem? It’s not targeting Clinton specifically, but an institutional problem. So you have these conspiracy theorist so in love with Trump, that they miss this:

While not the focus of our investigation, we also developed evidence that the security culture of the State Department in general, and with respect to use of unclassified e-mail systems in particular, was generally lacking in the kind of care for classified information found elsewhere in the government.

But her email? What the fuck?

[Draco-Onis]

@beanman12345 was the one who brought it up. If you all want to drop it now, FINE. I don't know why it was relevant either.

And yeah being in the center means I get to punt at both sides.

Ok if you are going to play the center then you should hold judgement instead of making definite statements if you look at this historically this is just the start not the end. We really don't have a lot of information when the report is finally released it will spawn or fuel more investigations not to mention there are still trials scheduled for the end of the year and sentencing meaning there are more materials.

I know you are eager to give Trump a clean bill of health but it would be foolish to do so considering the history of these things.

[Felya]

Page says the DOJ told them not to charge Clinton. The FBI says it was their decision, not the DOJ

Who is lying?

I don’t think you are lying... it’s something else. Do you know the difference between DOJ and FBI?

As a result, although the Department of Justice makes final decisions on matters like this, we are expressing to Justice our view that no charges are appropriate in this case.

It’s not an opinion to lie about. That’s not how DOJ and FBI works... it’s why FBI is not charging Trump, but are handing over the report to DOJ.

[Ashrynn]

Ok if you are going to play the center then you should hold judgement instead of making definite statements if you look at this historically this is just the start not the end. We really don't have a lot of information when the report is finally released it will spawn or fuel more investigations not to mention there are still trials scheduled for the end of the year and sentencing meaning there are more materials.

I know you are eager to give Trump a clean bill of health but it would be foolish to do so considering the history of these things.

I held my judgement for years. Something could come up, sure. But as it stands we are three years with absolutely nothing, the report is done and we only have sealed indictments(which I will apologize for, as I still don't believe anything is there, but you are 100% right there could be).

And again, no. We don't have history for something as asinine as a reality tv show president being investigated for years as a puppet of the damn kremlin. Literally I can't find anything else to go back to.

Trump can sit and spin, shove his wall up his rear end and I'm hoping for a Gabbard/Yang ticket honestly.

But after this? Ok, if I'm wrong I'll back off. I will. But this is nonsense and when I come here and people are going "YEAH BUT IT REALLY DOESNT MEAN LIKE ANYTHING" I'm just so done.

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I don’t think you are lying... it’s something else. Do you know the difference between DOJ and FBI?



It’s not an opinion to lie about. That’s not how DOJ and FBI works... it’s why FBI is not charging Trump, but are handing over the report to DOJ.

Buddy, nothing you said there answers me question:

As a result, although the Department of Justice makes final decisions on matters like this, we are expressing to Justice our view that no charges are appropriate in this case.

Mr. Ratcliffe: Okay. So let me if I can, I know I’m testing your memory, but when you say advice you got from the Department [of Justice], you’re making it sound like it was the Department that told you: “You’re not going to charge gross negligence because we’re the prosecutors and we’re telling you we’re not going to.”

Ms. Page: That’s correct

Who is lying?

I know the two are different.

[beanman12345]

The conspiracy theory is strong with this one.

[Felya]

I was just pointing out that the year 2616 is referenced multiple times. I thought it was funny. Guess it wasn’t to anyone else.

This shit is frustrating bro... I have to remind people of this shit? Otherwise... it’s a conspiracy!!! It makes no sense... I drink from the tap, it can’t be the fluoride...

[Benggaul]

All the Mueller investigation team members are leaving back to their original jobs, this is said to be a clear sign there are no sealed indictments because they would still stick around if that was the case.

False. His team isn't the one doing the prosecuting. Just the investigating.

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Democrats today - "Mueller has whitewashed the report and can't be trusted, we must see the underlying documents he found" aka we want to draw our own false conclusions so we can keep our bullshit anti-trump 2020 campaign going longer.

Dems should be thrilled Trump isn't a Russian bot, but then again they never cared about that in the first place, they are just mad they lost and cant handle not getting what they want.

Also false. I've yet to see anyone claiming Mueller is whitewashing anything...particularly because NOBODY HAS READ THE FUCKING REPORT. Christ how many strawmen do you jackasses have in stock to set alight? Can you just do them all at once and get it over with?

[Felya]

Buddy, nothing you said there answers me question:

Who is lying?

I know the two are different.

Fine... you are lying. I don’t give a fuck what she said “correct” to... The FBI does not have the ability to charge people. What she said correct to, isn’t a lie... it’s impossible due to how government works. It’s like saying your neighbor agreed that he refused to charge you with assault. No shit... your neighbor doesn’t get to charge you. That’s not how government works...

[Elegiac]

The conspiracy theory is strong with this one.

Eh, it's generally more prudent to assume anyone who unironically supports Tulsi Gabbard is either a Russian bot or a Republican plant. And I say that as a socialist.

[Ashrynn]

The conspiracy theory is strong with this one.

Oh my god. This is embarrassing for you isn't it?

Fine... you are lying. I don’t give a fuck what she said “correct” to... The FBI does not have the ability to charge people. What she said correct to, isn’t a lie... it’s impossible due to how government works. It’s like saying your neighbor agreed that he refused to charge you with assault. No shit... your neighbor doesn’t get to charge you. That’s not how government works...

I'll try again because you constantly dance around it. So I'll make the points very clear here and ask again. Because I know you won't answer and you'll twist like a pretzel to avoid it.

The DOJ has the final say in the matter.
The FBI letter states, it was indeed there decision and there final decision not to move forward.
Lisa Page's testimony says, NO, the FBI's decision was made by the DOJ. They were told to stop. Period.

Any other decision the FBI makes after is therefor at the behest of the DOJ unless you can actually prove that Lisa Page committed perjury.

So did Lisa Page commit perjury or did the FBI lie when it said it was their decision not the DOJ?

[Felya]

The DOJ has the final say in the matter.
The FBI letter states, it was indeed there decision and there final decision not to move forward.
Lisa Page's testimony says, NO, the FBI's decision was made by the DOJ. They were told to stop. Period.

The FBI decision has no binding to it. The DOJ can choose to act any way they like. What you are saying doesn’t make any sense. If FBI said to persecute her, the DOJ can still decline to do so.

[Ashrynn]

The FBI decision has no binding to it. The DOJ can choose to act any way they like. What you are saying doesn’t make any sense. If FBI said to persecute her, the DOJ can still decline to do so.

Correct.

100% true.

But no matter how we state it... It was not the FBI's decision if we believe Lisa Page's testimony. Had the FBI said yes, and the DOJ quashed it... I think we would be having a very different discussion: Yes or No?

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Eh, it's generally more prudent to assume anyone who unironically supports Tulsi Gabbard is either a Russian bot or a Republican plant. And I say that as a socialist.

Maybe it's just me being a dirty arab person that is sick and tired of politicians knowing what's best for the middle east. Just because you're a drone that's uninformed doesn't mean the rest of us are.

But you and beanman can go have a playdate or something. You look so cute shitposting together.

[Felya]

Correct.

100% true.

But no matter how we state it... It was not the FBI's decision if we believe Lisa Page's testimony. Had the FBI said yes, and the DOJ quashed it... I think we would be having a very different discussion: Yes or No?

Yeah, then you would actually be correct. In that alternative reality, you would have a point. In this reality... Your conspiracy doesn’t make any sense. Even Page said that the results would be irrelevant. Then why would Comey lie? Shits and giggles? Pointless grievance? He was so in cahoots with Clintons, that Trump called him an American hero, for releasing the Wiener info? Obama didn’t fire him over it... no one in DOJ repremended him for it... Trump fired him...

[beanman12345]

Yeah, then you would actually be correct. In that alternative reality, you would have a point. In this reality... Your conspiracy doesn’t make any sense. Even Page said that the results would be irrelevant. Then why would Comey lie? Shits and giggles? Pointless grievance? He was so in cahoots with Clintons, that Trump called him an American hero, for releasing the Wiener info? Obama didn’t fire him over it... no one in DOJ repremended him for it... Trump fired him...

And Trump didn't even fire him over that, but over russia.

[Benggaul]

Forget what I said about the strawmen. These loons obviously need to tear at least one of them apart to grasp at.

OT: It's probably going to be a long while before the general public hears anything about the report. Even though it's passed from the leakless hands of Mueller into the hands of Trump goons who in the past may as well be broadcasting each memo on jumbotrons across the country I'm pretty sure that, even if Trump himself isn't implicated therein, there's going to be some pretty damned embarrassing stuff about his administration/campaign involved that he and his cronies are going to fight like hell to keep hidden.

[Ashrynn]

Yeah, then you would actually be correct. In that alternative reality-

No. Stop.

You agreed to that point so we're going back and not jumping around. I asked you that for a specific purpose. To make sure we knew what the framework for all this is.

As a result, although the Department of Justice makes final decisions on matters like this, we are expressing to Justice our view that no charges are appropriate in this case.

Mr. Ratcliffe: Okay. So let me if I can, I know I’m testing your memory, but when you say advice you got from the Department [of Justice], you’re making it sound like it was the Department that told you: “You’re not going to charge gross negligence because we’re the prosecutors and we’re telling you we’re not going to.”

Ms. Page: That’s correct

Now we follow the chain of events:

The FBI is considering charging Clinton. The DOJ tells the FBI not to charge Clinton.

The FBI releases a statement stating it is up to the DOJ, but they DID NOT MAKE THE FINAL DECISION.

So right off the bat the FBI statement is either a lie OR Page committed perjury? It literally has to be one or the other and cannot be both.

[Felya]

And Trump didn't even fire him over that, but over russia.

At this point in the game, it’s more fun to emphasize the Rosenstein letter. Poor Hillary, so mistreated by the FBI... Trump had to fire Comey. lol?

[Draco-Onis]

I held my judgement for years. Something could come up, sure. But as it stands we are three years with absolutely nothing, the report is done and we only have sealed indictments(which I will apologize for, as I still don't believe anything is there, but you are 100% right there could be).

And again, no. We don't have history for something as asinine as a reality tv show president being investigated for years as a puppet of the damn kremlin. Literally I can't find anything else to go back to.

Trump can sit and spin, shove his wall up his rear end and I'm hoping for a Gabbard/Yang ticket honestly.

But after this? Ok, if I'm wrong I'll back off. I will. But this is nonsense and when I come here and people are going "YEAH BUT IT REALLY DOESNT MEAN LIKE ANYTHING" I'm just so done.

The Ken star report came out in 1998, it's 2019 and we're still talking about the Clintons maybe you just don't have stomach for this but the reality is this will go on for years so hold off on popping the champagne. We have 37 indictments 5 people going to jail including 2 who have admitted to colluding with the Kremlin, if you don't think there's anything that's because you don't want there to be. If Obama had that many people around him going to prison you would be losing your shit.