Where did I say that? But someone's setting themselves up for disappointment... not naming any names...
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Are you clinging on to the idea that Trump will ever face consequences for his actions? The media here is pretty convinced Muller's report can be summarized as "Nothing to see here, if you want to slap your dick on his face, you'll have to do it politically in 2020 and stop fucking calling me to do your dirty work..."
Or something like that. I may have paraphrased a little.
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He's the AG. He better back his shit up, because the report is going to be highly publicized and he's got an entire nation of lawyers verifying that he's not bullshitting anyone. And you think he just makes stuff up? In that position? Personally, I find that highly (!) unlikely. When the AG says there's no evidence, that's kind of the big deal, cos... he's kind of the guy that has to bring charges to the table. No charges, no court. See, you may disagree with him, but you're not the one starting the investigation now, are you?
Keep holding onto that straw, though. It may save your hopes.
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Anyone else curious why Trump would obstruct justice if he was innocent of collusion?
The obvious answer is that he is guilty of other things and knows it. My guess is it is related to his tax returns.
The longer it takes for them to release the report to Congress, the more obvious his guilt is.
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If Trump didn't attempt to obstruct justice, if he didn't throw tantrums about this investigation and attack Mueller whenever he could then most people wouldn't have strongly suspected or been convinced him being in fact an agent of Russia in the first place. He's like the innocent guy accused of bank robbery shouting: "Everybody to the floor! Nobody moves! I am really, really not armed!". I don't see the report as entirely fruitless though, his boot-licking henchmen who helped lifting him into office are enjoying prolonged holidays at 8 square meters now. Eventually the contents of the report will be dripping into the media landscape. The report doesn't change the fact that he's a con-man who doesn't go to work without his Twitter belt and has a track-record of shady practices, and being an otherworldly president in general.
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Saying "there was nothing to the Russia story" is not a fact. It's an opinion that ignores evidence to the contrary. The Trump Tower meetings, the contacts Jr., Manafort and Cohen made, etc. all point to some pretty shady business. There was not, however, ENOUGH evidence to lay "collusion" at the feet of Trump and his campaign. Fair enough, I accept that Mueller did a thorough job in investigating that point even though the major focus of the investigation was meant to be whether or not Trump obstructed justice--which, according to Barr--Mueller is unable to exonerate him of.
I suspect the reason he is "not exonerated" as opposed to "guilty of" has to do with the fact that there are clear instances of him obstructing justice (witness tampering on Twitter, telling Comey to end the Russia investigation) but these were not deemed "severe" enough to warrant pursuing.
I wonder personally if Mueller decided all of the bank fraud, financial shenanigans and such his investigation turned up on Trump and then handed over to SDNY would end up being punishment enough. Trump is pretty fucked once he's out of office one way or the other.
All of this, as well as the dozens of pages here since the announcement, is pure conjecture as the full report has not been made public. We have no way of knowing. Hope Pelosi manages to wrangle some sort of concession in terms of the report being as transparent to the public as possible.
Mueller report: Trump triumphant after being cleared of collusion
Does this mean the US voters can focus on real topics?
Time to investigate those who intentionally used uncorroborated "evidence" as a means to weaponize the FBI for purely political reasons (i.e. TDS). And Barr isn't going to let this kind of abuse pass...people will go to jail over this. I personally hope he assigns a special prosecutor...and hey...if there's a shitload of process crimes that occur as a result...so be it. Hmmm....I wonder if Brennan ever lied about his finances on a mortgage loan application.
Graham said it best in his recent tweet to Comey..."See you soon." This isn't over.
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Let's pretend, for now, that Barr is not hiding anything and that Trump did not collude with Russia in any way.
One, this is still pretty damning, because Trump hired Russian agents at the highest level -- Manafort, Flynn, Cohen (Trump Tower Moscow), arguably Sessions, etc -- and had zero idea. This is the best outcome he could have hoped for based on what's happened so far, and it still makes him the clueless idiot in the White House who hired multiple Russian agents.
Two, it means he could have been trying to protect them. While you could make the argument that donating $70M to a university to get your child in is bad, firing the head of the FBI because they might find out the people you hired at the highest levels of government were Russian agents -- which, again, in this scenario we're pretending Trump did not know -- is worse. Far worse. Like, felony worse. And not even Barr's 4-page summary claims this didn't happen, only that Mueller couldn't prove it.
Three, it could be about his ego. Nobody wanted to be the guy under Nixon-level investigation because of all that stuff he did. Valid or invalid investigation (btw, this one was valid, as measured by body count) hanging over your head does make you look bad. Problem is, firing Comey because he was making you look bad is arguably even worse than firing Comey because he might find out the people you hired at the highest level were Russian agents.
And this is what the rabid fanbase are cheering as a victory. Their best case scenario -- which, again, we don't know is true, only that Barr claims Mueller claims he couldn't prove it in a court of law -- is that Trump, who unwittingly hired multiple Russian agents at the highest levels of government, either fired Comey before he found out, or fired Comey for making him look bad. Both of which are still quite damning, above and beyond "Trump hired multiple Russian agents at the highest levels of government".
Obstructing legal proceedings is obstructing legal proceedings, regardless of what they do or do not end up implying.
Of course, if that's still beyond what you deem applicable politics, we can start wondering why Trump was so clueless about his own campaign team that he hired multiple people who were guilty (by their own admission) of numerous crimes.
It's always been a question of whether Trump was knowingly hiring criminals or too stupid to know otherwise. So what is he; scum, or an idiot?
I mean my take is that he's both, but even republicans have to admit he's one or the other.
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