Mega-Thread: Mueller investigation

[Edge-]

Trump tweets a Game of Thrones meme to declare himself the winner.

"Wait, that tweet was before Barr's defense -- "

Yeah, Barr and the WH colluded before the release of the redacted report.

No no no, he didn't "collude". He just gave them an advanced look at the report to redact anything under "executive privilege" before anyone else saw it.

Which would normally be fair, but in this instance clearly seems like it was primarily to give Trump's defense team time to work on responses and his communications team to work on garbage memes to post.

Acting in the best interests if Americans indeed.

[Orbitus]

I am reading the specific parts about the Trump Tower meeting, there is a lot of redacted information that is tagged "Grand Jury", so it is hard to tell what they thought of it.

[Grapemask]

This bit from Mueller's report is interesting because it very specifically addresses Barr's 18-page argument for why Trump can't obstruct justice:

With respect to whether the President can be found to have obstructed justice by exercising his powers under Article II of the Constitution, we concluded that Congress has the authority to prohibit a President's corrupt use of his authority in order to protect the integrity of the administration of justice.

Barr argued before becoming AG that a president can't obstruct justice by performing an act within his constitutional authority, and Mueller said "lol no."

And that's common sense, because not a single law works that way. It's arguing that lawfulness of an act is based entirely without its lawless conclusion. It's not illegal for me to stab things in general, but it is illegal for me to stab a person. It's not illegal for me to pick something up, but it is illegal for me to take something that belongs to someone else. It's not illegal to fire somebody, but it is illegal to fire them in order to inhibit an investigation. It's bizarre how Trump and his supporters continuously revolve around decontextualizing things to make them okay.

[Breccia]

there is a lot of redacted information that is tagged "Grand Jury", so it is hard to tell what they thought of it.

To be expected. There are still ongoing investigations. Stone, for example, is accused of trying to connect WikiLeaks (a thief working for Putin) to the Trump campaign.

Which would be collusion, of course.

[zenkai]

I can't wait until lunch time, this nothing burger has me hungry.

[Edge-]

"Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I’m f*cked," Trump said after learning that a Special Counsel had been appointed

Full statement text to the link. Sounds like the Orange Obstructionist was worried about what the Special Counsel might find.

"You were supposed to protect me." or something to that effect.

Yeah, this isn't the mentality of a fucking authoritarian who doesn't understand how our government works at all.

Republicans, are you alright with this?

[Jtbrig7390]

I can't wait until lunch time, this nothing burger has me hungry.

Not even trying anymore are you?

[Orbitus]

I can't wait until lunch time, this nothing burger has me hungry.

For such a nothing burger, why was Trump saying he is fucked when Sessions recused himself and the Special Counsel was installed?

[Jtbrig7390]

Republicans, are you alright with this?

Must be look at the one above your post.

[rda]

Given the list of top 30 posters in this thread, could someone briefly flag everyone's position on the issue?

Breccia -- 920 posts
Shalcker -- 746
cubby -- 677
Felya -- 642
Dontrike -- 542
Ripster42 -- 526
Orbitus -- 436
Skroe -- 402
Edge- -- 399
NYC17 -- 378

Machismo -- 335
Bullettime -- 327
Dacien -- 314
Vegas82 -- 291
mvaliz -- 270
Belize -- 240
Stormspark -- 227
Fugus -- 226
Bodakane -- 216
kaelleria -- 200

Didactic -- 200
PACOX -- 196
Mormolyce -- 193
Shadowferal -- 186
Tijuana -- 180
Butter Emails -- 172
Sulla -- 166
Thekri -- 152
Thepersona -- 150
DarkTZeratul -- 142

I'd like to count who's winning, because that's interesting.

[Molis]

He was being investigated for treason, something we now know did not exist in the slightest, and you accuse him of acting like a child? I mean, this entire thing was a farce, a farce, to think that it has tied up 2+ years of our government, when they could've been doing something useful for the American people.

I truly hope the left pays for this during the next election cycle, and many to come for that matter.

This investigation was a net positive in money for the American people, but we do not talk about that huh?

[Orbitus]

Given the list of top 30 posters in this thread, could someone briefly flag everyone's position on the issue?

Breccia -- 920 posts
Shalcker -- 746
cubby -- 677
Felya -- 642
Dontrike -- 542
Ripster42 -- 526
Orbitus -- 436
Skroe -- 402
Edge- -- 399
NYC17 -- 378

Machismo -- 335
Bullettime -- 327
Dacien -- 314
Vegas82 -- 291
mvaliz -- 270
Belize -- 240
Stormspark -- 227
Fugus -- 226
Bodakane -- 216
kaelleria -- 200

Didactic -- 200
PACOX -- 196
Mormolyce -- 193
Shadowferal -- 186
Tijuana -- 180
Butter Emails -- 172
Sulla -- 166
Thekri -- 152
Thepersona -- 150
DarkTZeratul -- 142

I'd like to count who's winning, because that's interesting.

Why the fuck does it matter?

[SethRoguen]

"You were supposed to protect me." or something to that effect.

Yeah, this isn't the mentality of a fucking authoritarian who doesn't understand how our government works at all.

Republicans, are you alright with this?

Maybe they are, maybe they arentt. either way they hate gays, liberals, and brown people more than they care

[Paranoid Android]

I'm not an expert on this stuff, but this seems like an interesting part on page 18 of the PDF that I haven't seen other people point out, where Mueller says his conclusions could conceivably be different if not for witnesses lying, invoking privilege, etc.

Caveat here: Above is Nate Silver's words not the word's of Mueller. His point he is trying to make is that Mueller couldn't take the next step, from all the roadblocks and hurdles he had ahead of him. Admittedly this may be a weak statement or reason on Mueller's part, but its' interesting.

[Draco-Onis]

I can't wait until lunch time, this nothing burger has me hungry.

Nothing will change investigations both at the state and federal level will continue, Trump supporters like yourself will keep on believing what he says. The country is too divided for anything to happen regardless of how this turns out, all I can hope for is that every single scumbag around Trump ends up in jail year after year like we have seen in the last two years.

[rda]

Why the fuck does it matter?

It's just interesting, that's it. Allows to see where MMO-C stands / activists of which side are more prolific, depending on how you look at it.

[Paranoid Android]

Why the fuck does it matter?

I'm sort of disappointed I am not in top 30

[zenkai]

For such a nothing burger, why was Trump saying he is fucked when Sessions recused himself and the Special Counsel was installed?

*yawn* wake me up when he's charged with something, until then.. BENGHAZI!

[Orbitus]

*yawn* wake me up when he's charged with something, until then.. BENGHAZI!

At least this investigation made money. Instead of taking 8 investigations to find NOTHING in Benghazi. And as far as everything is going, he won't be charged with anything with a Trump humping knob gobbler like Barr.

[Edge-]

I'm not an expert on this stuff, but this seems like an interesting part on page 18 of the PDF that I haven't seen other people point out, where Mueller says his conclusions could conceivably be different if not for witnesses lying, invoking privilege, etc.

Caveat here: Above is Nate Silver's words not the word's of Mueller. His point he is trying to make is that Mueller couldn't take the next step, from all the roadblocks and hurdles he had ahead of him. Admittedly this may be a weak statement or reason on Mueller's part, but its' interesting.

Deleting information or using encrypted services and not providing information? Lying repeatedly? Invoking the 5th (which according to Trump only guilty people do)?

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