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  1. #861
    Carrot on a Stick. Had to macro that trinket swap into your mount button.

  2. #862
    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    I had a few too many beers one night while pugging Kara. Group was really bad, like just having a super hard time. I politely suggested they give me vent info and i could help them out a bit. They gave me the info, and i joined vent to hear this group just tearing each other apart. I waited for a calm moment, and started explaining the fight. I swear i was really polite about it all, but for some reason, someone got SUPER offended and said "why are we even listening to this random idiot? hes not even topping dps, he shouldnt be saying anything".

    Now, maybe it was the beers, maybe it was wiping on an easy boss for so long, maybe im just a wanker, but i just let them have it. They kicked me from the group, but none of them had admin to kick me from Vent. So i just sat there. Pulling the boss and wiping them, while they tried to figure out why the new pug couldnt get inside, and who kept pulling. They got angrier than i have EVER heard a guild group get in my life. Threats, swearing, some teenagers voice popping constantly as he screamed at the top of his lungs at everyone, someones mother walking into their room mid rant and yelling at him to stfu and go to bed. The whole thing was bloody amazing.
    Yeah man, the good old days. It's funny how the dumb little things like exploiting grouping mechanics end up making the best memories in the long run.

  3. #863
    Quote Originally Posted by Ton00 View Post
    No daily hubs etc once all quests was done pretty much it
    I actually miss this. Sure you needed to grind if you wanted something, but once you were done with something, you were done. I don't mind grinding but in current state some stuff just feels never ending.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mellrod View Post
    Here's an interesting piece to look at for anyone interested. A timeline that shows all the world firsts through each expansion. It took several months before certain vanilla raids and bosses were completely cleared or defeated for the first time. I agree with you that this probably wasn't because of actual boss mechanic difficulty, more just the attunement grinds, the resistance gear grinds, flask and mats grinds, getting the right people for the job, etc, etc.
    How fast new bosses go down has more to do with various tools available for players. Back then you couldn't even think of guild dedicated programmers making addons for encounters. Yes, players got better, but now game tells you a lot more about what's happening in it than it used to.

    Can you imagine doing even heroic raiding without bigwigs/dbm and WA/TMW? Having to constantly change focus between "action" part of your screen into top-right corner every time some shitty 12 seconds crit buff appears, because you don't want miss an actually important proc? Blizzard increase difficulty of encounters not only by tuning bosses, but also by tuning our characters, making it more demanding and harder to play. It's no longer "spam shadowbolt until OOM, then lifetap some mana back and keep spamming", which could be done without even looking at your screen, just by listening to sound queues of your character.
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  5. #865
    Quote Originally Posted by plagueshard801 View Post
    Yeah man, the good old days. It's funny how the dumb little things like exploiting grouping mechanics end up making the best memories in the long run.
    Made quite a bit of gold taking people on tours of unfinished / unexplored areas in the game; imo the addition of flying in all zones removed the mystery / sense of wonder from the game.
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  6. #866
    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    I had a few too many beers one night while pugging Kara. Group was really bad, like just having a super hard time. I politely suggested they give me vent info and i could help them out a bit. They gave me the info, and i joined vent to hear this group just tearing each other apart. I waited for a calm moment, and started explaining the fight. I swear i was really polite about it all, but for some reason, someone got SUPER offended and said "why are we even listening to this random idiot? hes not even topping dps, he shouldnt be saying anything".

    Now, maybe it was the beers, maybe it was wiping on an easy boss for so long, maybe im just a wanker, but i just let them have it. They kicked me from the group, but none of them had admin to kick me from Vent. So i just sat there. Pulling the boss and wiping them, while they tried to figure out why the new pug couldnt get inside, and who kept pulling. They got angrier than i have EVER heard a guild group get in my life. Threats, swearing, some teenagers voice popping constantly as he screamed at the top of his lungs at everyone, someones mother walking into their room mid rant and yelling at him to stfu and go to bed. The whole thing was bloody amazing.
    I would have done the EXACT same thing....lol

    Sounds like they got what they deserved hahahahahaha
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    Added Swifty's Glowing Hands trick:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDtZbHfTysk
    Raid bosses will always be very similar so long as encounter design requires DPS to always be pumping 100%.

  8. #868
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    wow, OP made me miss vanilla even more.

    Can't wait to play this game I don't miss the OLD DAYS, I miss the old game, where you played the game not end-game.

  9. #869
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    This was a fun read.

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    Vanilla was not about tedious endless grinds and "shitty" mechanisms. It was about unique athmosphere and being part of the community wich made me hooked on it.

  12. #872
    Quote Originally Posted by Arthor89 View Post
    Vanilla was not about tedious endless grinds and "shitty" mechanisms. It was about unique athmosphere and being part of the community wich made me hooked on it.
    If you are gonna say one thing about it this would be it.

    I really wonder what the classic community is going to be like.
    The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garicasha View Post
    It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.
    thanks for the read, and the trip down memory lane

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    Aren't they giving us the Naxxramas patch right away?

    Many of the issues mentioned in the thread are less of a problem at that point. Still gotta grind though.

  15. #875
    Quote Originally Posted by Arthor89 View Post
    Vanilla was not about tedious endless grinds and "shitty" mechanisms. It was about unique athmosphere and being part of the community wich made me hooked on it.
    My fear is that this kind of community might have been a unique result of a generation being at a certain age, having a certain amount of tools at their disposal etc. People always act as if bringing back the classic game will instantly lead to the classic communities.I mean, just look at the community here on these forums. If all people who posted in this section joined the same server, would that create the kind of community everyone says they crave for? I have my doubts, mostly because people changed for the bitter already.

  16. #876
    You know what this thread is missing (maybe not if someone already posted)


  17. #877
    Quote Originally Posted by Kiri View Post
    My fear is that this kind of community might have been a unique result of a generation being at a certain age, having a certain amount of tools at their disposal etc. People always act as if bringing back the classic game will instantly lead to the classic communities.I mean, just look at the community here on these forums. If all people who posted in this section joined the same server, would that create the kind of community everyone says they crave for? I have my doubts, mostly because people changed for the bitter already.
    I would just be more worried by just reading what ppl post on these forums and the likelihood they might be in your guild.

  18. #878
    Quote Originally Posted by stomination View Post
    I would just be more worried by just reading what ppl post on these forums and the likelihood they might be in your guild.
    My vanilla guild dropped me for not getting nature resist drops when farming-.-

  19. #879
    Quote Originally Posted by Kiri View Post
    My vanilla guild dropped me for not getting nature resist drops when farming-.-
    Eh you either got it to drop. bought it. or hope others got lucky for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afrospinach View Post
    If you are gonna say one thing about it this would be it.

    I really wonder what the classic community is going to be like.
    At least partially it is up to blizzard.

    if they don't give in and put in various short-cut devices to let players effectively play group-content as single-player, AND keep the content tuned hard enough to where average gear/skill/level groups that dont communicate will fail, then people will be forced to socialize. it is a pretty self-regulating mechanism if the devs just tune it appropriately.

    I think blizzard's side of the coin is really that simple. They are the ones who enabled and have encouraged anti-social behavior in wow, by making being socially competent optional. I think they did it for unrelated reasons - to make sure participation/completion metrics in (new) content were as high as possible. someone(s) were being actively judged internally based on that kind of stuff, and they would make whatever changes to tuning or other stuff needed to get it as high as possible. For a while blue was even POSTING this kind of info on new content.

    if you leave players to their own devices and remove any need for them to actually deal with other humans civilly, any anonymous game system becomes a sewer. blizzard has been very explicit saying it is THEIR responsibility to decide how much people will need to interact and to what degree to complete parts of their game(s).

    There are a lot of clever ways blizzard can sabotage classic and make sure everyone gets to finish everything without ever talking to anyone, though. Just look at retail. If blizzard starts measuring classic success with part/comp. metrics, classic is totally screwed.

    Now as far as the gogogogo players, some will suddenly exhibit normal communication skills, and some will find their ability to get groups slowly becoming harder and harder as more and more folks realize they are a bad add to a party. they may then reroll (assuming no real ID blocks are possible?) and work on being more decent in interaction.
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