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  1. #41
    Ogres only have two locations for a potential capital:

    a) Dustwallow Marsh
    b) In the mountains above Dire Maul, there's ample room for a new capital city. As for the ruins themselves, I doubt that the Night Elves would tolerate such a move, and in terms of game play, we would be better off if it remained as a dungeon/raid.

    Also, I don't know why you're presenting this as "your" idea when it's a common suggestion on the Lore forums.

    P.S. Allied races are nothing more than a distraction/side-show, and the ogres are deserving of their own lineup within the Horde as an actual member that receives substantial lore development/focus.

  2. #42
    I dunno, if the NElves didn't want Ogres in Dire Maul, wouldn't they'd have done something about the Ogres already in there for the past 13years?
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  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by In Ogres We Trust View Post
    P.S. Allied races are nothing more than a distraction/side-show, and the ogres are deserving of their own lineup within the Horde as an actual member that receives substantial lore development/focus.
    if we only follow this idea of " full race as their own" we might not get ogres never

    Its way better to get then as allied race than nothing, there is no such thing of to receive more or better lore development/focus, since pandaren and goblins get nothing and they are full race
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  4. #44
    I'm LOVING all of this.^^

    Let's keep the thread running, it would be a waste if it just sank into nothingness.

    Oh yeah and as for the problem with FEMALE OGRES, at this point we at least have 1 visual reference of what they look like.
    https://wow.gamepedia.com/media/wow....eler-Ogres.jpg
    They can easily work on it, but they'll need a completely new model for them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elven Athena View Post
    Ogres would be easy to implement since all *those* assets were developed in WoD. Instead of male and female you just have single headed and double headed ogres. No one is going to want to play an ogre female unless there is so much sexual dimorphism it makes the draenei look homogeneous.
    People play female Worgen and they look butt ugly. =P

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    Quote Originally Posted by In Ogres We Trust View Post
    As an Allied race... no; as a regular race... yes. Ogres deserve to be featured as one of the main races of the game... not as a background race.

    P.S. As an Ogre fan, I don't see why you want them as an Allied race. For Christ's sake, the Worgen and Draenei are main races, yet you want to put Ogres as a side-race.
    Ogres had 2, TWO chances to be playable; once during Cataclysm and other during Warlords of Draenor, when, lets face it, REALLY should've been theiir time to shine, but we all know how that went.
    At this point, there pretty much no reasonable idea as an expansion where ogres would play a big role, so BfA is their last chance to get stuck in.
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    Holy God I want an ogre over those vulpera things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florena Emberlin View Post
    Time may prove me wrong but I would think if we get ogres they would be added like a normal race as they would be fully unique rather than offshoots of already playable races like the six allied races we have coming. Allied races just seems to be Blizzard's twist on sub races so far.
    This. While I wouldnt mind Ogre as a subrace, it makes more sense for them to be a full, real race of their own.


    In any case, we need ogres as playable!
    There was no such thing as "ability bloat" just l2fp.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by ReleaseDay View Post
    This. While I wouldnt mind Ogre as a subrace, it makes more sense for them to be a full, real race of their own.


    In any case, we need ogres as playable!
    Problem is, Blizzard ruined the ONLY 2 chances where Ogres could've been a playable race (Cataclysm and Warlords of Draenor). AT this point there's really no other reason, unless we get an expansion of where Ogrezonia is a thing. https://wow.gamepedia.com/Ogrezonia

    Actually, now that I think about is, considering we're literally ON THE SEA, this is the most logical chance to add ogres even more if we get an island featuring only female ogres.

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    I support this! I always wanted to play as an ogre.

    Quote Originally Posted by AndreiOptyck View Post
    Holy God I want an ogre over those vulpera things.
    Me too!

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Jshadowhunter View Post
    Problem is, Blizzard ruined the ONLY 2 chances where Ogres could've been a playable race (Cataclysm and Warlords of Draenor). AT this point there's really no other reason, unless we get an expansion of where Ogrezonia is a thing. https://wow.gamepedia.com/Ogrezonia

    Actually, now that I think about is, considering we're literally ON THE SEA, this is the most logical chance to add ogres even more if we get an island featuring only female ogres.
    they actually ruined 3, TBC was a great opportunity to bring ogres playable too

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndreiOptyck View Post
    Holy God I want an ogre over those vulpera things.
    Why not both? Ogres for orcs and vulpera for goblins...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jokubas View Post
    Overview – Joining the Horde

    The Stonemaul ogres have been part of the Horde since Warcraft III, so this pitch is not about them being recruited into the Horde. Instead, this is a story explaining the fall of the ogre race to be the result of Cho'gall's machinations, and how the ogres must be saved to be a great asset to the Horde once more. Further, it involves the Stonemaul ogres claiming a new home for themselves, transforming the highborne ruins of Dire Maul into a new ogre city, since it already shares a lot in common with the imperial ogre architecture.

    Storyline – The Founding of New Goria

    With the Alliance and Horde preparing for war once more, the Stonemaul ogres have risen to secure their place on Azeroth. The shattered clan has traveled to the ancient city of Dire Maul to restore into a new home, but all is not well. Cho'gall's brief stay in the city following the Cataclysm has left some lasting curses, and secrets that change what we know of the ogre's history.

    Within the deepest of the Shen'dralar archives the forgotten Forger Stone is rediscovered, not seen since the fall of Highmaul. Proximity to the artifact begins causing odd behaviors in the Stonemaul clan, and flashes of memories long thought lost. Through this journey into memory, a secret history of the ogres is revealed.

    During the rise of the Horde, Cho'gall besieged Highmaul and burned Imperator Mar'gok alive in his own throne. He did not simply leave after this moment, as long believed. Cho'gall returned to the Chamber of Nullification and cut down the Forger Stone from its chains. Cho'gall's vengeance was satisfied with Mar'gok's death, but his lust for power was not so easily quenched.

    Tapping into the Forger Stone using the power of the Void, Cho'gall exploited its side effect of draining the life force of those it affects, to cast a curse of an unprecedented size. Tracing the shape of the tattoos that all ogres of the Gorian Empire had applied when they were young, Cho'gall cast a spell from the Forger Stone on all living ogres.

    The spell radiated across Draenor, but it went by mostly unnoticed at first. The curse was subtle and slow-acting. At first, it mostly calmed the ogres, taking their worries away. The insidious part would come later, as it slowly took their memories and made them open to suggestion.

    By the time any ogre mage realized what was happening, it was too late. The ogres had been diminshed. Made ever so much more simple, the ogres forgot who they were, forgot their ancient greatness, and began to follow whoever made the largest show of strength.

    Ultimately, this was Cho'gall's true goal. Once he became the chieftain of the Twilight's Hammer clan, Cho'gall called upon many of the ogres he had cursed, and they came to his side without question. The power of the Void was great enough to sway Cho'gall when his mind was clear, so it was more than enough to sway an army of addled ogres to follow his every order. Only his most trusted followers would be granted a way to counter the curse and regain their full strength.

    This new information changed everything for the Stonemaul clan. It was determined that the curse of the Forger Stone must be broken, but the stone appeared to be unbreakable. The ogres called upon their new nightborne allies, and together their spellwork managed to undo the dark magic that had bound them for so long.

    With the curse broken, a fog lifts from the minds of the ogres of Azeroth. Many are drawn to Dire Maul to discover the source of their rejuvenation. In the aftermath, the ogres work together to rebuild Dire Maul into the capital of a new empire, New Goria.


    Classes – The Legacy of Strength

    Ogres respect strength beyond all else. This often manifests as ogres challenging their leaders in order to succeed them, and many clans have a long history of deaths due to this practice. However, this does not mean that they do not respect the strong that have fallen. Most ogres have a patron hero for the path that they follow in war.

    Death Knight
    Legend – Deathbringer Kor'ush
    The ogres that became available to Ner'zhul and later Arthas had only a fraction of the magical potential that the sorcerer-kings of the old empires had. This made them less than ideal candidates to wield the power of the dead, but that did not mean they didn't have their uses. Kor'ush was a legendary brute, his natural strength enhanced by the power of the Scourge. He survived the fall of the Scourge and made his name slaughtering an entire army of naga who encroached upon the shores of Northrend.

    Hunter
    Legend – Molpadia
    Molpadia was a nomadic huntress in the old days of Draenor, appearing as if from mists only to return to it after her hunt was over. Legend has it that Molpadia once challenged the Thunderlord clan of orcs to a great hunt against the best of the Breakers. While the initial deal was to send three orcs to match her much greater size and strength, over the course of the hunt, more and more Thunderlord orcs were added in order to keep up with her. By the end of the hunt, it is said that the entire Thunderlord clan had become involved, and yet Molpadia still emerged victorious. Some say that, despite the great passage of time, Molpadia survived to the present era, traveled to Azeroth, and founded the isle of Ogrezonia personally.

    Mage
    Legend – Gorgog the Gronnslayer
    Contrary to popular belief, the art of sorcery stretches back to the earliest ogre history, their mastery of the arcane arts a result of their titanic heritage. Gorgog is not simply the patron of ogre magi, but the greatest hero of all ogres. In ancient times, the ogres had fallen into slavery by their forefathers. The arakkoa sought to teach them arcane magic in order to deal with the ogre's masters, but Gog was far more ambituous than that. Gog mastered the arcane easily and then went after the gronn, who had been considered gods. Gog killed the gronn and feasted upon them to prove their mortality. With the ogres emboldened, Gog took on the title Gorgog the Gronnslayer, formed the Gorian empire, and defeated both their old masters and the arakkoa.

    Monk
    Legend - The Storyteller
    The wizened discipline of the monk was once thought beyond the reach of the brutish ogres. However, the effect of the Apexis crystals in Ogri'la created a new generation of ogres whose broken world gave them a different perspective from the first ogres exposed to the Apexis crystals. The storyteller of Ogri'la, whose true name is not known, has now become the mentor to any ogres willing to learn a more restrained form of combat.

    Priest
    Legend – Cho'gall
    The ogres have always had entities they consider gods, and those who sought to wield the power of their gods for their chosen. First it was the Forgers, then it was the gronn. Perhaps the power that has had the most lasting impact on the ogres, however, has been the Void. Even though the Stonemaul clan has no love for Cho'gall or the Twilight's Hammer, the ogres' respect of strength cannot deny the power that Cho'gall had discovered. Even to mortal enemies of Cho'gall's legacy, he is a symbol of the great potential that an ogre can reach, and even if they risk their sanity, many ogres attempt to follow in the footsteps of that greatness.

    Rogue
    Legend – Dagg'um Ty'gor
    No one believes ogres can be stealthy and ogre rogues, then, must not exist. Some say that Dagg'um Ty'gor was simply a mage who was a master of invisibility spells, but he changed the course of the Gorian Empire. A succession crisis once led the empire to having two Imperators who both insisted they were the rightful ruler. Dagg'um's use of subterfuge changed the course of the war, but it was all in the name of stability. At the end, neither Imperator survived, and the next ruler was a son that no one had previously realized existed. There are some who say Dagg'um Ty'gor never really existed and the war ended on its own, but there are those that believe in him to this day. One such believer is Dagg, a young ogre who has begun to train a new generation of ogre ninjas in New Goria.

    Shaman
    Legend - Har'gunn the Blind
    Shamanism is something that ogre culture has never fully acknowledged. They initially dismissed it as a quaint habit of the orcs, but after seeing its true power, they sought it for themselves. While these experiments ultimately led to the destruction of the original Goria, a tradition of ogres continued to experiment with the power. Har'gunn was a one-eyed ogre mage before he lost his eye and replaced it with a stone he discovered to have a resevoir of elemental magic. From that moment, he turned to shamanism and laid down the foundation for understanding its secrets that continues to this day.

    Warlock
    Legend – Dentarg
    One may expect the ogres to distate fel magic, since the Burning Legion incited the final downfall of their empire and their world, but that only encourages the ogres. Dentarg himself may have helped Ner'zhul set up the spell that tore their homeworld to pieces, but that only proved to the surviving ogres how powerful he and his magic were. While fel magic is unpopular in ogre lands, its power cannot be denied and thus it has its share of followers nonetheless.

    Warrior
    Legend – Mug'thol
    Warriors, to no one's surprise, are the oldest and one of the most revered of all ogre professions. Before the arakkoa helped them realize their titanic potential, ogres went into battle with just their fists or a single makeshift weapon and conquered their foes with brute strength. Brute strength means nothing if you never get the chance to use it, however. Mug'thol may not be an ancient hero, but he made a name for himself by not only managing to break free from Sylvanas' mind control, but by managing to survive an assassination attempt she had ordered on him.


    The City – Dire Maul

    The ancient night elven city of Eldre'thalas was once an archive of the greatest of the highborne's secrets. After the Sundering, it became an infested ruin, but it was too important to leave completely abandoned. Now the Stonemaul ogres, long fighting for their place on Azeroth, have moved into the city and mean to return it to its former greatness.

    The Maul

    In the center of the Commons is a great arena. Even while ruined, the Crimson Ring ran gladitorial games in the Maul, their most famous combatant being King Varian Wrynn himself. Now restored to an elaborate arena, the Maul is an active gladitorial arena that no long attempts to hide the bloodsports that are played within its walls.

    The Maul remains a free-for-all arena for players of both factions. Crimson Ring representatives exist in several locations, including a safe distance away from the entrance to Dire Maul, to transport Alliance characters into the arena who would otherwise be in danger entering the city.

    Patrician Commons
    Known for years as the Gordok Commons, the area has been rebuilt for a new generation of ogre nobility. This is the most elaborately decorated section of Dire Maul, meant for the best of the best ogres. At the northern end is a great palace that overlooks Lake Dumont. Within the palace, the Imperator sits upon his thorne, but during the night it's said that he takes pleasure cruises on the lake in his personal boat.

    The Gortheon
    Once known as the Shrine of Eldretharr, the ogres have repurposed the shrine to instead honor some of their greatest heroes. In the center is a statue of Gorgog the Gronnslayer, but all around the center are representatives of heroes of differing paths.

    All ogre classes can find trainers and useful NPCs here, and representatives from other Horde races provide services for other classes in a small ambassador's camp.

    Capital Gardens
    This area has been largely rebuilt into a residential and market district. The largest variety of ogres live and carry out their work in this area, and it provides a majority of the city's services.

    The Athenaeum
    While many of the secrets of the highborne were destroyed between the Sundering and the battles for Dire Maul, the sorcerers of the Stonemaul clan has still found it an inspiring place to study. Nightborne can also be found conducting research in the area, but perhaps most surprising are a handful of Shen'dralar agents that remain. The situation is tense, but an agreement has been forged between them and the ogres, since the ogres know there are some secrets in the city they will never uncover without the ones who buried them to begin with.

    The Waygate Nexus

    After having spent nearly ten thousand years as the prison for a void terror, the fabric of reality in this region has not fared well. Never shying away from danger, the ogres have used this to their advantage. Not only is a magical research station set up in the area, many experiments are constantly underway.

    Portals to other cities and useful locations are maintained here on an hourly rotation. Also, a group of ethereals who run Void Storage and Transmogrification services have been drawn to the area.

    The Broken Path

    Located outside the city's limits is a rift in the cliffside. Inside is a strange anomaly that is being watched over by ogre sorcerers, night elven magi, and a team of timewalkers headed up by Zidormi. This location provides access to old Dire Maul content, particularly the three dungeons, for players of both factions.

    EDIT 1: Added Shaman and Monk back into the Class list.
    Nicely done. I suppose will happen in time, with furbolgs for ally

  13. #53
    Great ideas, love it! However, I do feel like ogres should be a full-fledged race rather than an allied race, even though they are essentially an allied race.

  14. #54
    Ogres for Horde, Vrykul for Alliance.

    Make it happen!

  15. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Hallowseve17 View Post
    Great ideas, love it! However, I do feel like ogres should be a full-fledged race rather than an allied race, even though they are essentially an allied race.
    They had their chance to be a full-fledged race... 3x! And Blizz fudged them all.

  16. #56
    Ogres are the ancestors to Orcs right? If a Nightborne is considered a subrace of a Blood Elf, Ogres should be a Orc subrace released alongside a Human subrace (Kul'Tiras Humans).

  17. #57
    Right head: Great idea, me want playable Ogres!
    Left head: Me get angry if no playable Ogres in WoW any time soon. RAAAAAAAAAR!

  18. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by ThePallyRanger View Post
    Ogres for Horde, Vrykul for Alliance.

    Make it happen!
    In the spirit of this thread: Ogres for Alliance, Vrykul for Horde!

  19. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Futhark View Post
    In the spirit of this thread: Ogres for Alliance, Vrykul for Horde!
    you know, i would get mad about it, but at this point, whatever

    in the future they could make the void ogres, i dont fucking care anymore

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrv451nlp View Post
    Ogres are the ancestors to Orcs right? If a Nightborne is considered a subrace of a Blood Elf, Ogres should be a Orc subrace released alongside a Human subrace (Kul'Tiras Humans).
    Vrykul (of the Tideskorn Clan) should be released alongside ogres, seeing as they're both ancestral races with brutal societies.


    OT: My ideal list for future allied races

    Human - Tideskorn Vrykul
    Worgen - Kaldorei Worgen or Dragonmen
    Gnome - Sand Gnomes or Semi-Mechanized

    Orc - Ogre (Stonemaul, Ogri'la or AU Goria)
    Goblin - Vulpera
    Forsaken - Nathanos-style undead or freed Cult of the Damned humans

    Pandaren - Timbermaw Furbolg
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