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  1. #161
    Quote Originally Posted by Slim Charles View Post
    Simc's own sims show them that high for whatever reason. Ravenholdt sims show Outlaw to be just as shitty as Ass.
    No clue what you are talking about in regard to the Outlaw comment. It isnt top dog but if you look up this page here : https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/

    You can see that Sub is pulling ahead of Sin/Out by 100k ofc those are optimal numbers.

    With the 4% dmg buff to Outlaw that gap gets even smaller to more like 18k difference. Ofc we are talking about flawless gameplay , and all relevant legendaries.

    Maybe I am a total moron but I would not write off Outlaw that fast.


    On a side note that page that I linked is from the Ravenholdt HP, I am pretty sure they would not put it in there if they dont trust those values.
    Last edited by Thum8er; 2017-12-05 at 05:30 PM.

  2. #162
    Quote Originally Posted by Thum8er View Post
    No clue what you are talking about in regard to the Outlaw comment. It isnt top dog but if you look up this page here :
    What are you talking about? I would expect you to see the obvious difference of ravenhodlt showing outlaw at 2,044,366 dps while simc showed them at 2,250,000 dps before the buff. Now with the 4% buff ravenholdt will in time show them a little higher but still far from the updated 2,342,010 dps from simcraft.

    I'm sure you can understand that I replied to the statement that outlaw was simming highest, which it is not according to the ravenholdt sims.

  3. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by Slim Charles View Post
    What are you talking about? I would expect you to see the obvious difference of ravenhodlt showing outlaw at 2,044,366 dps while simc showed them at 2,250,000 dps before the buff. Now with the 4% buff ravenholdt will in time show them a little higher but still far from the updated 2,342,010 dps from simcraft.

    I'm sure you can understand that I replied to the statement that outlaw was simming highest, which it is not according to the ravenholdt sims.
    Then I didnt understand your statement, I apologize. I just wanted to point out that even though Outlaw isnt simming highest according to ravenholdt its far from not viable. Now looking at other classes and our dmg we do have a serious issue.... people are just pulling ahead left right and center....

    Again sorry, english isnt my first language. I did not mean to insult you .

  4. #164
    Ravenholdt sims (herodamage now) are not update with Dec 5th changes for the moment ^^

  5. #165
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    Thanks for the indepth analysis.
    Since the post I've been checking once again how to do the opening sequence.
    I've made a macro for using Vial(trinket) and Shadowstrike on 1 button.
    I've also configured my TMW to show an activation border around my DfA, when I have finality up.
    I still use my Goremaw whenever its up and I have 3=>cp, is that incorrect?



  6. #166
    One rogue in the method mythic team. Feelsgoodman

  7. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by Iettlopp View Post
    One rogue in the method mythic team. Feelsgoodman
    One of the other two guilds took ret pally, sub rogue and ass rogue on coven.

  8. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by elfporn View Post
    One of the other two guilds took ret pally, sub rogue and ass rogue on coven.
    and one took x4 spriest and x4 locks, feels like there certainly is an issue with how strong the rdps are and how much weaker the rest are.

  9. #169
    the damage of all the forecasts and speculations is already done, but single target dps wise rogue is still a strong dps in mythic progression.

  10. #170
    Quote Originally Posted by Iettlopp View Post
    and one took x4 spriest and x4 locks, feels like there certainly is an issue with how strong the rdps are and how much weaker the rest are.
    It has nothing to do with raw DPS, but with how ranged interact better with the mechanics: if melee is trapped in the wrong spot during Storm of Darkness, he/she will be hindered useless until the effect wears off. Ranged also deal better with Torment of Aman'Thul and Torment of Khaz'Goroth, because the don't have to walk across the room to DPS, they can keep DPS'ing the Bosses while Torment of Norgannon is happening and they don't have to worry about Fury of Golganneth killing them. Also, Warlocks and S.Priests are simply better to cleave both Bosses at the same time than... everyone else.

    Yet, some guilds are taking Rogues and Paladins, because of their immunities, which helps to alleviate the damage taken from Machinations of Aman'Thul. Also, Rogues can move better using Storm of Darkness by using Feint. You don't see guilds taking Warriors to Coven because, despite them being one of the strongest specs in the game, certainly the strongest melee class, they have very bad defensive tools to deal with Coven mechanics.

  11. #171
    Both Sub, Sin and Outlaw are currently among the worst DPS specs in the game, and they re only managing to show up on warcraftlogs because the other classes have no gear yet.

    As soon as everyone is 960 and above Rogues are going to vanish completely, every rogue WILL be benched since you dont need them to soak on farm anymore.

    And this is going to remain this way for the rest of this expansion, so i suggest to reroll now if you want to get a tiny bit of fun out of 13+ months of antorus

  12. #172
    Quote Originally Posted by Katjezz View Post
    Both Sub, Sin and Outlaw are currently among the worst DPS specs in the game, and they re only managing to show up on warcraftlogs because the other classes have no gear yet.

    As soon as everyone is 960 and above Rogues are going to vanish completely, every rogue WILL be benched since you dont need them to soak on farm anymore.

    And this is going to remain this way for the rest of this expansion, so i suggest to reroll now if you want to get a tiny bit of fun out of 13+ months of antorus
    Thanks for the heads up! Fortunately i will never be benched! Largely because, as a rogue, i survive better, have more dps up-time, and...compete with said top dps on all fights - if not in aoe+boss/priority targets, then atleast on boss/priority targets only.

    Go preach doom and gloom elsewhere, it's annoying af. And you sound like bot-spam. You should vary your message slightly. But do it elsewhere.

  13. #173
    Yea I've been playing my Outlaw Rogue a lot recently and Unless another dps out gears me by a ton I'm usually top 3 on all fights, except sometimes Eonar...screw that boss lol, so I don't see why so many people think rogues are going to be terrible and need to be benched.
    Last edited by nerfproof; 2017-12-12 at 02:52 PM. Reason: changing word

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    its because logs/sims are the ultimate proof that show how bad your class/spec is

    inb4 "personal experience dosent matter or/and your raid must really suck lololol!!111!"

  15. #175
    Quote Originally Posted by Nihal View Post
    its because logs/sims are the ultimate proof that show how bad your class/spec is

    inb4 "personal experience dosent matter or/and your raid must really suck lololol!!111!"
    literally what else do you want as proof?

    Anecdotal stories on how you got #1 in YOUR guild last night?

  16. #176
    Quote Originally Posted by Katjezz View Post
    literally what else do you want as proof?

    Anecdotal stories on how you got #1 in YOUR guild last night?
    Please take a class in statistics, take a second look at the data, and then come back to us.

    Better yet, due to no one caring what you have to say (beyond largely disagreeing with you, and your presentation, and stating it) feel free to not post anymore. You are not contributing to a healthy discourse about the rogue class.

  17. #177
    Quote Originally Posted by Katjezz View Post
    literally what else do you want as proof?

    Anecdotal stories on how you got #1 in YOUR guild last night?
    Literally, what do you HAVE as proof?
    A witty saying proves nothing.
    -Voltaire
    not quite Batman
    winning
    "A stick is a love letter that hasn't been made into paper yet."
    plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

  18. #178
    Quote Originally Posted by Iettlopp View Post
    One rogue in the method mythic team. Feelsgoodman
    3 rogues in the world first Argus and Aggramar mythic kills
    https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/ch...en-mill/rytnek
    https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/ch.../perfect%C3%B3
    https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/ch...en-mill/yliajo

  19. #179
    when i posted that there was only one rogue in their current fight...

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