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  1. #141
    This kind of nonsense has never been rational. There are plenty of things to not like about Clinton. Millions of people on the left didn't want her to be president either for reasons that didn't belong in a conspiracy theory.

    Time and time again the far right embraces craziness when they could just focus on reality and win over more people.

  2. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by Blur4stuff View Post
    This kind of nonsense has never been rational. There are plenty of things to not like about Clinton. Millions of people on the left didn't want her to be president either for reasons that didn't belong in a conspiracy theory.

    Time and time again the far right embraces craziness when they could just focus on reality and win over more people.
    Neither side wants to focus on "reality" because reality is pretty shitty - wealth disparity where 3 top US billionaires hold more then bottom 50% of population, previously permanent jobs destroyed and being replaced by bartender/waitress positions and "gig economy", millenials not getting kids because they cannot afford it, plenty of people having negative net worth, students being saddled with student debt they cannot pay off and being radicalised by underpaid professors teaching them...

    It is clear setup for upcoming revolution, really.

    Do you think that if they expel "not-perfect-character" from the other side, be it Clinton or Moore, they'll magically be able to resolve it?
    They resist it fiercely, but will that get better even if they expel all corruption from their midst?

    Not at all.

    But they got to keep show going for as long as they can.

  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Neither side wants to focus on "reality" because reality is pretty shitty - wealth disparity where 3 top US billionaires hold more then bottom 50% of population, previously permanent jobs destroyed and being replaced by bartender/waitress positions and "gig economy", millenials not getting kids because they cannot afford it, plenty of people having negative net worth, students being saddled with student debt they cannot pay off and being radicalised by underpaid professors teaching them...

    It is clear setup for upcoming revolution, really.

    Do you think that if they expel "not-perfect-character" from the other side, be it Clinton or Moore, they'll magically be able to resolve it?
    They resist it fiercely, but will that get better even if they expel all corruption from their midst?

    Not at all.

    But they got to keep show going for as long as they can.
    Clinton and Moore are not the freaking same, one is a god dam pedophile and the other one is a all-around bad campaigner. Don't try to make it equal because it's freaking disgusting.

    And about the first part...Trump administration is undoing everything Obama administration pushed for by executive order since the republican controlled congress was the laziest congress in US history. Obama admin created the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau which is a huge succes for consumers, Republicans and trump have been trying to undermine since the day it was created.

  4. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by ati87 View Post
    Clinton and Moore are not the freaking same, one is a god dam pedophile and the other one is a all-around bad campaigner. Don't try to make it equal because it's freaking disgusting.
    Both are unproven in court of law; Clinton also has her husband with rape charges and her own pretty bad attacks on her husband accusers - and that was closer to now then Moore supposed deeds 40 years ago.

    Sorry, but you can equate them even on that.

    And about the first part...Trump administration is undoing everything Obama administration pushed for by executive order since the republican controlled congress was the laziest congress in US history. Obama admin created the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau which is a huge succes for consumers, Republicans and trump have been trying to undermine since the day it was created.
    So, is political system where two sides are locked in fight where anything goes to undo what other side did and to get bonuses for their own oligarchy pals - solar or oil/coal... conductive to resolving problems of population?

    Or is revolution the only solution?

    Neither side wants to change, after all...

  5. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    We know that meetings that we do know happened weren't endorsed by campaign.

    There don't seem to be any exceptions.
    So the meetings that did happen with Trump's team present were not endorsed by them? If you don't endorse it why go to it, then lie about it, then lie about it some more, then tell truth, then lie about it again, say someone else is really bad and that's why it's okay, then lie about it again for the Nth time?

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  6. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by Dontrike View Post
    So the meetings that did happen with Trump's team present were not endorsed by them?
    Yep.

    They went to take a look at what Jr brought and it was a dud, so they left/stopped paying attention in a few minutes.

    If you don't endorse it why go to it, then lie about it, then lie about it some more, then tell truth, then lie about it again, say someone else is really bad and that's why it's okay, then lie about it again for the Nth time?
    Because there was no upside to truth?
    And everything would play exactly the same as it does right now?

  7. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Yep.

    They went to take a look at what Jr brought and it was a dud, so they left/stopped paying attention in a few minutes.

    Because there was no upside to truth?
    And everything would play exactly the same as it does right now?
    Sorry, it doesn't work like that. When you have Trump's campaign manager, Trump's son, and Trump's son-in-law, and you have Trump making up the excuse, Trump knew about it and so did the rest of the campaign. Just because they said that nothing happened, doesn't mean shit. Especially since we know that same day or the day after, Trump was talking on the campaign trail or in a tweet that some new information was coming out soon. And a few days later Wikileaks started leaking the Russian hacked material from the DNC.

    So quit fucking lying.

  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    Sorry, it doesn't work like that.
    It does.

    When you have Trump's campaign manager, Trump's son, and Trump's son-in-law, and you have Trump making up the excuse, Trump knew about it and so did the rest of the campaign.
    Assumption that remains unproven. And knew what exactly?

    Especially since we know that same day or the day after, Trump was talking on the campaign trail or in a tweet that some new information was coming out soon. And a few days later Wikileaks started leaking the Russian hacked material from the DNC.
    You should find (or create yourself) actual timeline with tweets/messages, meetings, and Wikileaks releases.

    Because timeline you're imagining seems wrong.

  9. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    It does.

    Assumption that remains unproven. And knew what exactly?

    You should find (or create yourself) actual timeline with tweets/messages, meetings, and Wikileaks releases.

    Because timeline you're imagining seems wrong.
    Trump knew about the meeting on June 7th because he announced that he was going to release new information on Hillary the following Monday, because Rob Goldstone and Veselnitskaya meeting was 2 days later. He knew the meeting was going to happen, to say he didn't is pure bullshit. And now we know they were talking to Russian propagandist Julian Assange and Wikileaks.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.5fd8851c9b0c
    This is my timeline. I will go with them over fucking Russian propaganda Wikileaks.

    You can't stop fucking lying can you?

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    Guess Shalcker doesn't have anything for this? Or does our resident Putin Apologist just ignore threads where he gets proven wrong?

  10. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    Trump knew about the meeting on June 7th because he announced that he was going to release new information on Hillary the following Monday, because Rob Goldstone and Veselnitskaya meeting was 2 days later. He knew the meeting was going to happen, to say he didn't is pure bullshit. And now we know they were talking to Russian propagandist Julian Assange and Wikileaks.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.5fd8851c9b0c
    This is my timeline. I will go with them over fucking Russian propaganda Wikileaks.

    You can't stop fucking lying can you?

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    Guess Shalcker doesn't have anything for this? Or does our resident Putin Apologist just ignore threads where he gets proven wrong?
    The argument is that Trump himself didn't try to get in contact with XYZ, it doesn't matter that the son, son in-law, high level staffers and the coffee boy all acted and tried him personally didn't do it.

    Stupid I know, corruption starts with the top and not with the coffee boy. The idea that the ''coffee boy'' is acting on his own is silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ati87 View Post
    The argument is that Trump himself didn't try to get in contact with XYZ, it doesn't matter that the son, son in-law, high level staffers and the coffee boy all acted and tried him personally didn't do it.

    Stupid I know, corruption starts with the top and not with the coffee boy. The idea that the ''coffee boy'' is acting on his own is silly.
    Even if he didn't know, he still looks utterly inept and completely lacking control over his own administration.

    He's either corrupt or an idiot, possibly both. Not exactly "winning" regardless.

  12. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by Snorkles View Post
    Even if he didn't know, he still looks utterly inept and completely lacking control over his own administration.
    That's exactly the same as he looks now though.

    He is quite consistent in that.

    He's either corrupt or an idiot, possibly both. Not exactly "winning" regardless.
    Some people still think he is useful for their own ends; like appointing judges.

  13. #153
    I mean it's obvious that Hillary Clinton is guilty of selling it off.

  14. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    I mean it's obvious that Hillary Clinton is guilty of selling it off.
    Really? Because she had very little say in the entire situation and even Shep Smith is laughing at your ignorant ass.

  15. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    Really? Because she had very little say in the entire situation and even Shep Smith is laughing at your ignorant ass.
    Nice to cover up for your favorite politician. We see right through you.

  16. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    I mean it's obvious that Hillary Clinton is guilty of selling it off.
    It's only obvious because it's something you long for.

  17. #157
    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    Nice to cover up for your favorite politician. We see right through you.
    I am not covering up for anyone. Only idiots that watch Breitbart and Fox News believe this shit. And even Shep Smith is laughing at you since he already said she has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

  18. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    I mean it's obvious that Hillary Clinton is guilty of selling it off.
    You really believe this stuff don't you? Bless your heart.

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