Balance the classes. Keep the content the same. Just stop.

[Lesane]

That was a part of the game that was shit. Stop glorifying terrible things. I remember leveling to 60 as ret and being barred from joining raids unless I specced holy. Go fuck yourself with that shit. You will see remarkable under representation if it goes live like that. We aren't stupid enough to level the wrong class on accident anymore.

Guess what, there's a solution for people like you. It's called any non-classic server. Nobody's forcing you to play Classic. Back then it was more of an issue that ret sucked in raids than now, because back then that's all the choice you had. Now you can just switch to a live server and play Ret just fine in all content.

[Deleted]

go play retail and stop moaning

[ComputerNerd]

It is a major issue.
It fundmentally impacts the experience in the encounters.
Classes or specs previously not viable may be, and those previously safe may not be.
It will not be the vanilla experience, simple as that.

If people want the vanilla experience, don't ask for changes.
It is one or the other, vanilla reproduced faithfully, or it is not and something else.

[Detheavn]

"we want vanilla"

but we want class balance , transmog , account mounts , looking for group , name change , server change , dual spec , raid buffs , no buff mats , wow tokens , and new raids


oh wait you got all that.. play the lattest version of the game.. poeple wanted classic for a reason just stop wanting stuff now why not enjoy the old feeling , if you dont like it dont play it?

I just want my removed content back. Oh man, can't do that in live boohoo :'(

[Vladar]

Just for tanking back in vanilla warriors had weak AoE tanking you either had to use demo shout (LOL) with very weak threat or stance dance to get thunderclap and then change back to defensive to taunt and build aggro it was very inefficient and tanking lots of mobs like Nef phase 1 was really challenging and messy with warrior tanks.

In TBC they made prot paladin as good as warriors in terms of single add tanking and survivability except they had strong AoE and warrior AoE tanking was still shit. Heroics were more difficult with warriors since you had to CC pull while pally could just AoE tank everything.

Now I tried to tank with all classes (didnt have time to try DH but I imagine its the same thing), all tank are now the same strong AoE and very good survivability and good mobility. Tanking no matter the class is exactly the same thing AoE tank everything.

Having prot paladins with easy AoE tanking would trivialize much of the content in vanilla.

[Kaver]

"we want vanilla"

but we want class balance , transmog , account mounts , looking for group , name change , server change , dual spec , raid buffs , no buff mats , wow tokens , and new raids


oh wait you got all that.. play the lattest version of the game.. poeple wanted classic for a reason just stop wanting stuff now why not enjoy the old feeling , if you dont like it dont play it?

Class balancing were a big part of vanilla and the vanilla experience. People are just forgetting about that.

[Lightshadow86]

Agree with op. Vanilla was never finished; it was interupted and balanced out in TBC. Let us have vanilla, with option of finishing vanilla as it should have been before expansions. It was the start of their "sell game- balance - balance - fail - expansion" way of dealing with not balancing a final product. Just like Starcraft 2. Just allow blizzard to tweak classes for vanilla, if not at first, then after some time, to finish off their orginal game and everyone every class can be somewhat happier.

[Trunksee]

I want this out sooner rather than later. Its a lot easier to get the product out for us who dont want changes than months on a ptr trying to balance things. They want to do a ptr after release and see how people react fine. For now they should just pick a patch get it ready and release it

[nmarg85]

I'll let you have hybrid classes dps as well as pure the moment you let my rogue heal others and tank as well as priests and warriors, otherwise fuck off. "Balancing" hybrid dps has never been fucking fair to pure dps. You want to dps? You fucking know what to roll, you have no excuse, especially not anymore.

So why can't priests whine about hybrids healing in the same way you whine about hybrids doing dps? Why play hybrids at all then?

[Gaidax]

you are an example of the problem. the discussion for what is and what is not wanted can not even be had.

you have a either with me or against me attitude. ashame because in the end vanilla servers will suffer. well done.

If you want Vanilla it should be that. If you want some bastardized livenilla - you can make yet another shitty private server and do as you see fit - there are plenty of those that mix everything at multiply it by 5.

[nmarg85]

They should, but they're hybrids themselves. Hybrids should bring utility, jack of all trades and what not.

Gimmicks. You can do all those raids with just warriors, rogues, mages and priests. You probably will in classic since the population of shaman, paladins and druids is gonna be really low, aside from those rarities who like to be buffbots or innervbots. In vanilla people didn't know their classes were crap, rerolling was a big deal and took a long time. Now, they know.

Warriors are also hybrids. They maintank on PVE. Top DPS on PVE. And are at the top of the foodchain in PVP. Your argument just left the building.

[Queen of Hamsters]

If they touch 1 thing, they'll have to touch more things. In the end, you end up with Classic re-imagined rather than Classic as it was.

People ask for Vanilla, they should get Vanilla. The version of Vanilla is still within the patch range, not "this patch + these changes made by today's standards plz!!"...

[bash the fash]

stop moaning as if this is a major issue.

you can't have classes being useless and not being selected for vanilla content.

You sure can. Vanilla did it for quite a while. Was it stupid? Sure was. But people seem to love vanilla for a lot of its stupid design decisions.

Maybe if you wanted every spec raid-viable you shoulda been lobbying for WotLK servers? Just an idea.

[Hunterwep]

Classic is not for you, stop trying to change it fitting YOUR needs.
Also Classes were pretty balanced, everybody was over powered and had a cool gimmick of their own.

[nmarg85]

And now content can all be done by 100% druids this is the dumbshit your hybrid "balancing" creates. You people are also the people the devs were talking about when they said "You think you do, but you don't." Your arguement just left the building.

Your logic is flawed, proven by the example given. Warriors are hybrids, yet they excel at tanking and DPS.

The disgruntled op rogue wants to relive the glory days. What a surprise!

[Zka]

Why is it so hard to grasp that rebalancing classes inevitably leads to redoing gear, retuning all pve and pvp? It's too much work and the result IS NOT VANILLA.

[jstnw89]

Oh, how cute? People still want classes balanced after blizzard said they wouldn't

[solarfallz]

The classes are already balanced. Their strengths are offset by their weaknesses.

The word you are looking for is "equalized", and yes, it's a problem.

Just stop.

[Daffan]

Class balancing will take a lot of work. What they need to do tho is make the dungeons and raids hard to account for the patches and itemization.

[Nights]

stop moaning as if this is a major issue.

you can't have classes being useless and not being selected for vanilla content. that is just silly argument to want that the same.

keep all the content the same and just introduce balance to the classes which given the years of exp at attempting this, Blizzard should be able to achieve to some extent.

at least enough of a balance that everything can be cleared assuming you know how to play your class/spec and are geared.


very simple solution and not a reason to be screaming the sky is falling.

Yea please go back to retail or any other version of game you liked dont try to change something just because you feel like it