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    How common do you think warriors will be? Are you planning to play one?

    I played a warrior tank from WOTLK onwards until MOP when I stopped playing. I played a shaman through the latter stages of vanilla, and TBC. I much preferred the experience on the warrior. Thinking of making one for classic.


    Anyway, my questions are as follows:

    1. Do you think it will be hard for a warrior to get into a raiding guild? This is likely as a protection warrior. What was it like on nostalrius etc?
    2. What would you say was hard about vanilla tanking? Was it the case that warrior tanks used daggers...?
    3. Would you level a character just for farming things? to avoid changing specialisation from protection? Maybe a level 60 mage can do it?


    Might think of some other stuff, but that's it for now

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcoatsyx View Post
    I played a warrior tank from WOTLK onwards until MOP when I stopped playing. I played a shaman through the latter stages of vanilla, and TBC. I much preferred the experience on the warrior. Thinking of making one for classic.


    Anyway, my questions are as follows:

    1. Do you think it will be hard for a warrior to get into a raiding guild? This is likely as a protection warrior. What was it like on nostalrius etc?
    2. What would you say was hard about vanilla tanking? Was it the case that warrior tanks used daggers...?
    3. Would you level a character just for farming things? to avoid changing specialisation from protection? Maybe a level 60 mage can do it?


    Might think of some other stuff, but that's it for now
    Warriors were the only class absolutely essential to both PvP and raids.

    I mean, you can make a case for a WSG group having more than 3 warriors, mortal strike was the ultimate pvp debuff, plus finishing damage in the form of execute.

    Fury warriors were atop melee dps charts toward the end of vanilla as well.

    And of course the only viable raid tank.

    All of this obviously requires 3 sets of gear and 3 specs, but the class was the only one that had 3 very good specs in vanilla that were essential to both pvp and raids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcoatsyx View Post
    I played a warrior tank from WOTLK onwards until MOP when I stopped playing. I played a shaman through the latter stages of vanilla, and TBC. I much preferred the experience on the warrior. Thinking of making one for classic.


    Anyway, my questions are as follows:

    1. Do you think it will be hard for a warrior to get into a raiding guild? This is likely as a protection warrior. What was it like on nostalrius etc?
    2. What would you say was hard about vanilla tanking? Was it the case that warrior tanks used daggers...?
    3. Would you level a character just for farming things? to avoid changing specialisation from protection? Maybe a level 60 mage can do it?


    Might think of some other stuff, but that's it for now
    Warriors were the only class in vanilla that had 3 completely viable specs that were required for both raids and pvp. Mortal strike is not raid viable but you could make a case for having more than 3 mortal strike warriors in a 10 man wsg group.

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    Well, they'll be common because they'll be the only real tank, but they'll also be rare because everyone will need one.

    I imagine considering the masses who haven't played / don't research or know as much about Vanilla will attempt to roll other classes as tanks and fail, not have played Warrior tank before and go DPS, or be able to tank with threat being a thing... there will be less relatively - especially considering raids need a lot more.



    To answer your questions:

    1. No. Some fights need a lot more tanks than the generic 2-tank raids we have on Live.
    2a. Managing threat, wasn't really difficult just had DPS wait a few seconds on pulls.
    2b. No, that was just to get parry-hasted, not really used tbh.
    3. Probably, I levelled a few alts in Vanilla. You'll do a lot more things as groups than you do in live so if possible, you won't need to respec.
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    I will definitely give it a go and warrior will by my main, it always has been.

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    As for #3, yes there is no better vanilla farming toon than a frost mage.

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    I played (play) a Prot Warrior all the way from patch 1.3 Vanilla to this day (i have 5 tanking spec toons now, but my Warr is always my main) so to answer your questions:

    1. No
    2. (a) the hardest part of tanking as a warrior is getting the DPS to wait for Taunt, sunder, sunder, sunder on each mob until they can all-out attack
    2. (b) I never used a dagger unless it was a major upgrade, so i cant comment on that really
    3. I had a Mage and a Shaman for farming "things" but my tank was also my herbalist cause i had no issues going anywhere on him once he was MC/BWL geared

    in all honesty your questions are a bit strange, but i answered as honestly as possible (the warrior dagger thing?) and as others have said here and in many other threads, Warriors were the best and possibly ONLY viable tank spec at the start of it all, so i would expect many ppl to level one if they want to tank, and i also expect them to be rare as every guild will have at least 2 well-geared on the roster
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    Warriors using daggers is just an oddity in itemization. There are daggers on the top 20 warrior weapons list, but none of them are particularly sought after. Alcor's Sunrazor is the only noteworthy one.
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    Warriors will be abundant as the majority of the players returning to Classic are doing it for the raid experience Vanilla offered. You could tank with any weapon, some warriors chose to use daggers I tanked with a 2.6 speed spineshatter for a long time. I just paid to respec and played both fury and prot.

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    Warriors are always the most played class on a vanilla server. Most are under the illusion they will easily find a raid spot as a DPS spec even though they are the only viable tanks. They are also hard to level and can easily die to orange mobs.

    If you are okay with potentially raiding mostly as prot and with an off set DPS for PvP/dungeons whatever, they are fine. Of course, they are also a/the top DPS spec in raids but they are still mostly relegated to tanking. I won't be playing one and I might be biased because I have never enjoyed playing them.

    They also aren't great in PvP unless you're playing prot WSG flag carrier or arms with a healer on your ass.

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    There are 2 types of end game warriors. Raid or PVP.

    There will exist a good deal of warriors. How many will devote their characters to raiding? Less than half, imo. Like before, like what can be currently seen.

    How many holy priests as well? Well, those, sir or madam will also be hard to find. On a PVP server, which is likely to be the popular server(s).

    Until certain people complain about PVP on a PVP server. If Blizzard caves to casuals, then more warrior tanks, more holy priests (and no PVP). They rejoice. Everyone else rolls their eyes.
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    Good ol warriors where you want cooking and first aid as your journey is full of damage taken.

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    1. Not at all especially if you are planning on being a tank as they were the only viable tank in vanilla. Feral druids were a joke for tanks outside 5 mans and if you played Alliance, paladins were expected to heal since prot sucked & had no taunt.
    2a. Getting crit immune was probably the hardest part of being a tank in vanilla. After that it was making sure your idiot dps gave you time to get your 3 sunders off and a thunderclap. Once you got that, they were usually good to go & you could generally hold threat by setting up a steady rotation. Back then, your threat wasn't determined by your dps as a tank. Your threat was a result of you using your threat increasing abilities.
    2b. There were only a couple gimmick fights where a tank would want to use a dagger over something else with real tanking stats on it. Julie's Dagger was used on Vaelastrasz because the gimmick was threefold. It had a fast attack speed which meant you attacked faster which gave you more threat. It had a proc with a chance to heal you on attack & would proc relatively often (I think the ICD was lower than the standard 1 minute ICD most items have). The heal generated threat which meant you held agro better. That fight was all about your tanks being the highest threat of your raid because one by one they WILL die and the next highest threat becomes the tank (and if I remember the fight correctly from vanilla, he was taunt immune as well).
    3. I don't know any healer or tank that DIDN'T have a dps alt that would farm for them. Gold wasn't as easy for people to come by legitimately so that 100g round trip it cost you to respec dps & back again (respec fee capped out at 50g) in addition to having to pay for all your spell fees for each spec was pretty much out of the question.

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    There will be a lot of them at the start, much less in the end-game. In PvE they're always expected to tank and tanking is not for everyone. PvE warrior DPS wasn't the optimal choice as there are always too many melee DPS anyway. And as this forum shows most disregard PvP right off the bat and the majority won't work towards the 14th rank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcoatsyx View Post
    I played a warrior tank from WOTLK onwards until MOP when I stopped playing. I played a shaman through the latter stages of vanilla, and TBC. I much preferred the experience on the warrior. Thinking of making one for classic.


    Anyway, my questions are as follows:

    1. Do you think it will be hard for a warrior to get into a raiding guild? This is likely as a protection warrior. What was it like on nostalrius etc?
    2. What would you say was hard about vanilla tanking? Was it the case that warrior tanks used daggers...?
    3. Would you level a character just for farming things? to avoid changing specialisation from protection? Maybe a level 60 mage can do it?


    Might think of some other stuff, but that's it for now
    1. Not at all. Warrior was the ONLY viable tank back in Vanilla, and their tier set reflects as much. If you're a dedicated, skilled Prot Warrior in Vanilla, you can get in a raid guild easily. If you're REALLY good (Or just really good geared), be prepared since other guilds WILL try to poach you.
    2a.1 The stress of your importance in a guild and unable to take a break unless you're account sharing. Main Tank not showing up? Guess no raid tonight then, Main Tank left guild? Enjoy months of setback due to the difficulty and the amount of gear needed for a new tank.
    2a.2 "Cleave Tanking". As in, you need to tank 4-5 mobs. Battle Shout spam work wonder on large group of mobs (8+) but not with only 4. We are suppose to tab and rotate using Sunder Armor on each mob, and that is real challenge.
    2b. No, Parry haste was a thing, and it's the number 1 killer of tanks thanks to Crushing Blow because Shield Block only blocks 2 attacks and is on a 5secs cooldown. Using a Dagger is asking for disaster (And Hate from your guild's Rogues).
    3. No. If you're in a dedicated raiding guild, they ought to supply you the respec fee. The 50g per respec is a lot for a single person, but nothing if a whole guild is backing you up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcoatsyx View Post
    I played a warrior tank from WOTLK onwards until MOP when I stopped playing. I played a shaman through the latter stages of vanilla, and TBC. I much preferred the experience on the warrior. Thinking of making one for classic.


    Anyway, my questions are as follows:

    1. Do you think it will be hard for a warrior to get into a raiding guild? This is likely as a protection warrior. What was it like on nostalrius etc?
    2. What would you say was hard about vanilla tanking? Was it the case that warrior tanks used daggers...?
    3. Would you level a character just for farming things? to avoid changing specialisation from protection? Maybe a level 60 mage can do it?


    Might think of some other stuff, but that's it for now
    Quote Originally Posted by MMKing View Post
    Warriors using daggers is just an oddity in itemization. There are daggers on the top 20 warrior weapons list, but none of them are particularly sought after. Alcor's Sunrazor is the only noteworthy one.
    1. Easy. Warriors are the only "real" tanks in vanilla. Also, fury is the best DPSers in MC/BWL content.
    2. Threat, especially as horde due to no Salvation. You would only use daggers for bosses with infinite rage, basically Vaelstrasz and Thaddius. The reason tanks on Nostalrius and other private servers used daggers all the time was because rage calculated from damage was incorrect on basically all private servers using a ManGoS-core for their build.
    3. If you plan to tank, then probably yes.
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    Depends on which version of the warrior class balancing Blizzard decides to go with. If they go with the 1.12 talents and class balance then you'll probably see around 25% of the population playing warriors.

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    I was going to play a warlock again (mained that in vanilla) but I think I will go the warrior route this time. Probably Tauren!

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    1) Going in as a protection warrior you might have some difficulty. I know on my server the protection warrior slots were filled usually first by the guild leader or guild officers. On our server people would only make MT someone who was very trustworthy and more importantly was not going to quit suddenly and was very dependable and reliable. Because the MT usually had thundefury reserved for the MT so that position was really hard to get into later in the game. However on a new server, with new people, and everyone is new your chances are much better in your favor. But something to keep in mind imho. Although some people here might have experience something different?

    2)Threat management, stance dancing, paying attention to your raid in case someone aggroed something they wernt supposed too. Or if a DPS was going to hard and pulled aggro off you or same goes for healers if they started to heal too soon. I felt a great deal of the time a really good tank was someone who just knew how to handle the raids mistakes best.

    3)Yes it was common practice to have a farming alt when your main was protection warrior or holy specced healer. I think mage was the absolute best farmer second to a hunter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcoatsyx View Post
    1. Do you think it will be hard for a warrior to get into a raiding guild? This is likely as a protection warrior. What was it like on nostalrius etc?
    No. Prot Warriors will always be in demand. Guilds need 8 geared tanks in Naxx40 for 4HM. You may have trouble finding a spot as a DPS warrior because they will almost assuredly be the most common spec at 60, but Prot Warriors (or 31/5/15 Warriors who don't mind tanking) are always in demand.

    Quote Originally Posted by xcoatsyx View Post
    2. What would you say was hard about vanilla tanking? Was it the case that warrior tanks used daggers...?
    It was very spammy. You needed to stance dance at times for Fears. You have extremely limited AoE threat tools so tab targeting intelligently is a must. Gearing is kind of obnoxious because you need several different kinds of gear for different situations (Resist, Threat, Max EH).


    Quote Originally Posted by xcoatsyx View Post
    3. Would you level a character just for farming things? to avoid changing specialisation from protection? Maybe a level 60 mage can do it?
    Yes. I would advise all main spec tanks/healers to roll a Hunter/Lock/Mage to farm with. Unless you're an AH wizard, respeccing to farm is not really an option, nor is farming as Prot/Holy/Resto. Your only other option is farming in groups and 5mans (less efficient) or just gathering professions. Legit options, but not as good in the long run as a Hunter/Lock/Mage efficiently farming.

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