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    "The nightborne (also spelled the Nightborne)[4] or shal'dorei in the native tongue[5][6] are a powerful and mystical race of night elves who live in Suramar. Since the city was first separated from the rest of the world over 10,000 years ago, they have evolved by the Nightwell into an arcane-enhanced version of their former selves."

    High Elves became pale ass they stick to the Sunwell instead.
    Horde will get their Night elf counter part while Alliance will get their High Elf/Blood elf counter part.
    What part of nightborne not being a thing in WotA do you not understand?

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    It's mentioned in several sources that Azshara was born with golden eyes, and that she was predicted to be destined for greatness - that superstition is only in ancient Night Elven culture, meaning she was born as a Night Elf, not a troll. Azshara's reign was well after Night Elves mutated from Dark Trolls, which was well after Dark Trolls mutated from Zandalari. There's little-to-no correlation there. Elves and trolls have always been fairly hostile with one another, even from the time Azshara was the queen. There's only one interaction between her and the Zandalari mentioned in Chronicle.
    There was, however, one location that the queen sought to avoid: Mount Hyjal, the sacred mountain refuge of the elusive Wild Gods. Unsettled by the Wild Gods and their wild, untamable homeland, the queen publicly prohibited any attempts to expand into Hyjal under the pretense that she wanted to respect the night elves' kinship with the forests, even though in truth Azshara actually despised the mountain and the harmony it represented.
    Azshara also struck an accord with the Zandalar tribe of trolls, who held considerable influence over the rest of their race. Uninterested in conquering the trolls, which the queen saw as a minor nuisance at best, she allowed the Zandalari to keep their sacred Zandalar Mountains in exchange for ending troll incursions into kaldorei territory.
    Zandalar was home to not only the most powerful trolls, but also many powerful Wild Gods (Loa). It explains why she allowed them to live, but didn't want to interact with them. She also has absolutely no connection to Rastakhan. He wasn't alive during the War of the Ancients - it's mentioned he has been alive (and ruling Zandalar) for "more than 200 years." Azshara has been a Naga for 10,000+ years. So, no, Azshara wasn't originally any sort of Troll, nor did she have any sincerely cordial relationship with them - it was only politics and fear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Destinas View Post
    It's mentioned in several sources that Azshara was born with golden eyes, and that she was predicted to be destined for greatness - that superstition is only in ancient Night Elven culture, meaning she was born as a Night Elf, not a troll. Azshara's reign was well after Night Elves mutated from Dark Trolls, which was well after Dark Trolls mutated from Zandalari. There's little-to-no correlation there. Elves and trolls have always been fairly hostile with one another, even from the time Azshara was the queen. There's only one interaction between her and the Zandalari mentioned in Chronicle.

    Zandalar was home to not only the most powerful trolls, but also many powerful Wild Gods (Loa). It explains why she allowed them to live, but didn't want to interact with them. She also has absolutely no connection to Rastakhan. He wasn't alive during the War of the Ancients - it's mentioned he has been alive (and ruling Zandalar) for "more than 200 years." Azshara has been a Naga for 10,000+ years. So, no, Azshara wasn't originally any sort of Troll, nor did she have any sincerely cordial relationship with them - it was only politics and fear.
    Only Hyjal made her uneasy. The only reason she did not crush the Zandalari was because she wanted them to keep annoying trolls in check. The Zandalari only accepted the deal because they knew they would be rekt pretty bad.

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    "The nightborne (also spelled the Nightborne)[4] or shal'dorei in the native tongue[5][6] are a powerful and mystical race of night elves who live in Suramar. Since the city was first separated from the rest of the world over 10,000 years ago, they have evolved by the Nightwell into an arcane-enhanced version of their former selves."

    High Elves became pale ass they stick to the Sunwell instead.
    Horde will get their Night elf counter part while Alliance will get their High Elf/Blood elf counter part.
    The name "Nightborne" didn't exist until after the War of the Ancients and the Sundering, when the Nightwell physically transformed the people living under Suramar's bubble into what they look like now. Malfurion, Illidan, Tyrande, Jarod, and others are still Night Elves because they were outside the shield, while Elisande, Thalyssra, Oculeth, etc were still inside the shield and physically changed. Nightborne isn't a term for "anyone from Suramar." The name comes from the Nightwell transforming Highborne Night Elves.

    The Moon Guard are specifically Night Elves, because they lived for 10,000 years outside the bubble (but still in the greater Suramar area), thus they never transformed into the Nightborne subrace/subculture. That quote you mentioned is true - yes, the Nightborne are transformed Night Elves. All Nightborne are transformed Night Elves, but not all Night Elves are Nightborne.
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    I'm sure Azshara was born into a pre established night elven society due to her eye colour and superstition or prophecy.

    The evolution from Dark troll and Night elf is vast. We're talking from when the Dark Trolls first settled at the wound after the fall of the black empire? I believe?

    OP you need to read chronicle vol.1 and vol.2. Wowwiki is a really bad source of information.

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    Here's the updated model of Vol'jin he is from the Darkspear tribe from the Empire of Zul. Notice his skin he has a closer skin bumps and color to the announced Zandalari male troll although his body is slinkier.

    notice his Eye color, those eyes also has a golden hue.

    The used image of Queen Azshara in Nigh Elven form used back in Cata.


    The updated model of Trolls in-game upon implementation of updating higher texture and polygon character models. Notice the similarity of body structure. The Skin tone.


    Updated Troll face choices, notice the top far right model it is nearly Night Elven in semblance.

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    Which we will soon find out. I'm interested if Queen Azshara is indeed of of the mutated Dark Trolls what would be her relationship with King Rhastakhan? Would they be lovers??????Rivals?
    Is this trolling? 12 year old girls writing fan fiction? What even is this thread?

    You know Azshara is already a pretty big deal. There is literally no reason to make her the "very first troll who turned into a night elf".

    Okay, this has to be trolling. (see what I did there?)

    Can we close this thread?
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    OP, come on. You don't know what you're even talking about at this point. People are telling you the way something actually is, and you're just ignoring and/or annoying everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vertigo12 View Post
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    Yes. Trolls and Night Elves are related through Dark Trolls - a subrace separate from Jungle Trolls (which is what the Darkspear are). They have many similarities, including some eye colors and their ears.

    The thing you seem to be confused about is that Azshara actually wasn't the first Night Elf ruler. They "learned the language of the Titans" from Elune (as stated in Chronicle vol 1), which included words like "Kalimdor" and "Kaldorei" from that, and then built their empire. They made their capital, Elun'dris ("Eye of Elune"), and mastered sorcery. In the height of their magically-enhanced empire, Azshara became the queen. The capital was renamed Zin-Azshari in her honor. She couldn't have been the first queen, because the capital was already named, and the empire existed before she was born.

    Chronicle lists these events in order, with approximate dates. I'll list some of them for you.
    -Troll-Aqir War: ~16,000 years ago (Troll subraces existed during this war - Amani defeated the Aqir, Dark Trolls claimed Well afterward)
    -Mogu Empire: ~15,000 years ago (Thunder King: ~15,000-12,200 years ago)
    -Kaldorei Empire: ~15,000-10,000 years ago (Azshara was born and ruled sometime during this period)
    -Zandalari Invasion of Pandaria: ~11,900 years ago (Zandalari ruler was named Zulathra)
    -War of the Ancients & Sundering: ~10,000 years ago (Azshara became a Naga)
    -Rastakhan's Reign: ~200 years ago until now (Not listed in Chronicle, mentioned on Wowpedia)

    Azshara couldn't have had any relation to Rastakhan, and she was not born as a troll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Destinas View Post
    Yes. Trolls and Night Elves are related through Dark Trolls - a subrace separate from Jungle Trolls (which is what the Darkspear are). They have many similarities, including some eye colors and their ears.

    The thing you seem to be confused about is that Azshara actually wasn't the first Night Elf ruler. They "learned the language of the Titans" from Elune (as stated in Chronicle vol 1), which included words like "Kalimdor" and "Kaldorei" from that, and then built their empire. They made their capital, Elun'dris ("Eye of Elune"), and mastered sorcery. In the height of their magically-enhanced empire, Azshara became the queen. The capital was renamed Zin-Azshari in her honor. She couldn't have been the first queen, because the capital was already named, and the empire existed before she was born.

    Chronicle lists these events in order, with approximate dates. I'll list some of them for you.
    -Troll-Aqir War: ~16,000 years ago (Troll subraces existed during this war - Amani defeated the Aqir, Dark Trolls claimed Well afterward)
    -Mogu Empire: ~15,000 years ago (Thunder King: ~15,000-12,200 years ago)
    -Kaldorei Empire: ~15,000-10,000 years ago (Azshara was born and ruled sometime during this period)
    -Zandalari Invasion of Pandaria: ~11,900 years ago (Zandalari ruler was named Zulathra)
    -War of the Ancients & Sundering: ~10,000 years ago (Azshara became a Naga)
    -Rastakhan's Reign: ~200 years ago until now (Not listed in Chronicle, mentioned on Wowpedia)

    Azshara couldn't have had any relation to Rastakhan, and she was not born as a troll.
    You've gathered your facts and numbers and the numberspeaks for itself, thus my OP.

    The difference between Kal'dorei Empire and Troll-Aqir War was just 1 millenium.
    Rastakhan although not stated must be already be alive and the only historical records of him was his ascension as the Troll God King of all Troll sub culture.

    Both the Trolls and Nightelves are immortal and can live several millenia although the Night Elves of present Kalimdor and Teldrassil gave up their immortality. And just like back in Throne of Thunder Raid patch the data above shows how the Zandalari Trolls are in political diplomacy with the Mogu empire of Pandaria which is just South of Zandalar.

    Only Rastakhan knows or someone who is very old and who personally knows Rastakhan would have knowledge about his age and when he was born. His personal background and history as well as what is the past behind Dark Trolls.

    Azshara couldn't have had any relation to Rastakhan, and she was not born as a troll.
    -Not unlike Malfurion or Illidan, Azshara has no backstory of how she came to be, only in books like the Sundering but that timeline was under her reign already but not prior to it.

    Perhaps the reason why the Nightborne easily sided with the New Horde of Sylvanas, they have knowledge and secrets about their origin and how the Night Elves in general are related with the Trolls.

    Maybe Malfurion or Tyrande have knowledge as well and have kept it a secret, who knows. And why would a Titan Construct known as Uldir exist in the Zone of Zandalar?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vertigo12 View Post
    With BfA's announcement and on going Alpha and Beta test, one of the many things which make THE GAME, World of Warcraft, interesting is the quests and storylines like always game developers have been doing since Vanilla and even pre-dates back to their RTS roots.

    It was hinted that Queen Azshara will make an appearance in a possible future with the release of BfA and with the unveiling of one of the allied races of the Latest Horde under the title as Warchief of the Banshee Queen Sylvanas Windrunner, they are tasked to seek the aide from one the oldest sapient races in Azeroth, the Zandalari Troll.

    With King Rhastakhan's introduction as well as the introduction of Suramar elves,the Nightborne, could BfA possibly show the public the story behind the mystery of Elven lineage with the Trolls? Queen Azshara is the ruler of the ever first Elven Kingdom so she definitely have answers to who truly the elven race are. Will King Rhastakhan also give fuirther details about it? Is Queen Azshara the first mutated Troll along with the trolls who have migrated near the sundered Nightwell now left and known as Maelstrom and what lies beneathe, Naz'jatar?

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    I will nearly bet the eating of my own hat, that Blizzard is not gonna go that deep into the lore and start making connections between the trolls and High Elfs. The trolls have their story with blood gods and the titans, the elfs with have theirs with Azshara.

    So no, there is not gonna be a talk about mutated Zandalari trolls, not gonna happend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flurryfang View Post
    I will nearly bet the eating of my own hat, that Blizzard is not gonna go that deep into the lore and start making connections between the trolls and High Elfs. The trolls have their story with blood gods and the titans, the elfs with have theirs with Azshara.

    So no, there is not gonna be a talk about mutated Zandalari trolls, not gonna happend.
    That was what has happened way back in Vanilla not until Uldum. The Dwarven lineage and origin was heavily discussed present in WotLK thanks to Stormy Peaks and public favorite Ulduar. So Blizzard have all the right and power to push that button and go that way.


    Specially now the Pantheon made their presence felt and known to the mortals of Azeroth. Their interaction would certainly be put up front when it comes to Uldir.

    Oh, and I think blizzard already has started presenting the correlation.


    Nightborne artworks prior to the release of Legion. They have similarity in design with Zandalar tribe.


    Some model of Nightborne have headpieces similar to King Rhastakhan as well as pauldrons. Although the motif is more of feathery for Nightbornes.




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    Quote Originally Posted by vertigo12 View Post
    That was what has happened way back in Vanilla not until Uldum. The Dwarven lineage and origin was heavily discussed present in WotLK thanks to Stormy Peaks and public favorite Ulduar. So Blizzard have all the right and power to push that button and go that way.


    Specially now the Pantheon made their presence felt and known to the mortals of Azeroth. Their interaction would certainly be put up front when it comes to Uldir.
    I know they have done it before, but i don't believe that they do it anymore or ever again. It is simply diving way too deep into the lore without it having any importance for the world. Like having somebody talk about the connection is not gonna do anything, especially when the Naga are right now as far from trolls and elfs as can be with their scaly forms.

    So sure, the connection is there, but they are not gonna make it a topic inside the game.
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    You've gathered your facts and numbers and the numberspeaks for itself, thus my OP.
    That makes no sense. The numbers speak for themselves so you create a thread questioning them?

    The difference between Kal'dorei Empire and Troll-Aqir War was just 1 millenium.
    Rastakhan although not stated must be already be alive and the only historical records of him was his ascension as the Troll God King of all Troll sub culture.
    Why on Azeroth must've he been alive if not stated?


    Both the Trolls and Nightelves are immortal and can live several millenia although the Night Elves of present Kalimdor and Teldrassil gave up their immortality. And just like back in Throne of Thunder Raid patch the data above shows how the Zandalari Trolls are in political diplomacy with the Mogu empire of Pandaria which is just South of Zandalar.
    What does that have to do with anything?


    Only Rastakhan knows or someone who is very old and who personally knows Rastakhan would have knowledge about his age and when he was born. His personal background and history as well as what is the past behind Dark Trolls.
    Noone cares when he was born. He's been king for 200 years. He was probably born a few hundred years before that. Or 10 years for all we know.

    Also there is no dark mystical secret about the dark trolls. They are trolls who sat around the Well and got smart.


    Azshara couldn't have had any relation to Rastakhan, and she was not born as a troll.
    -Not unlike Malfurion or Illidan, Azshara has no backstory of how she came to be, only in books like the Sundering but that timeline was under her reign already but not prior to it.
    wot?


    Perhaps the reason why the Nightborne easily sided with the New Horde of Sylvanas, they have knowledge and secrets about their origin and how the Night Elves in general are related with the Trolls.
    The most likely reason the Nightbonre sided with the Horde is because Tyrande is a bitch and Liadrin was nice to them.

    Also again, there is no fucking secret history of troll and Nelf. Everyone knows Nelves are mutated trolls. The blood elves were fucking trolling the Nelf side about it for god's sake.


    Maybe Malfurion or Tyrande have knowledge as well and have kept it a secret, who knows. And why would a Titan Construct known as Uldir exist in the Zone of Zandalar?
    ...Fucking secret knowledge. I think my brain just died a little.

    There are Titan vaults all fuckin over Azeroth. And it's not like the Pantheon dropped a Vault under the trolls. The trolls probably made an empire around it because it's a fukcin Titan Vault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vertigo12 View Post
    You've gathered your facts and numbers and the numberspeaks for itself, thus my OP.
    Most of what I've said has contradicted your OP.

    The difference between Kal'dorei Empire and Troll-Aqir War was just 1 millenium.
    Rastakhan although not stated must be already be alive and the only historical records of him was his ascension as the Troll God King of all Troll sub culture.
    He's only the king of the Zandalari. The other empires and tribes have their own leaders. He's specifically stated in-game to have ruled for 200 years: For Council and King
    Empowered by the Zandalari gods themselves to act as their voice, he has ruled for over two hundred years.
    And, I already stated above (though you ignored it) that the leader of the Zandalari 11,900 years ago was Zulathra.

    Both the Trolls and Nightelves are immortal and can live several millenia although the Night Elves of present Kalimdor and Teldrassil gave up their immortality. And just like back in Throne of Thunder Raid patch the data above shows how the Zandalari Trolls are in political diplomacy with the Mogu empire of Pandaria which is just South of Zandalar.
    Night Elves were immortal because of blessings from Nozdormu (mainly), Ysera, and Alexstrasza for Nordrassil on Mount Hyjal, which occurred directly after the Sundering, after Azshara had already become a Naga. Trolls are not immortal. Rastakhan is a different case, because he's empowered by the Loa. The Zandalari joined the Mogu thousands of years ago because they were the strongest empires on Ancient Kalimdor, and they were unsure how strong each empire was. They joined forces again in MoP because of an old agreement regarding resurrecting the Thunder King. It had nothing to do with elves, because Lei Shen's empire was just before the Kaldorei Empire.

    Only Rastakhan knows or someone who is very old and who personally knows Rastakhan would have knowledge about his age and when he was born. His personal background and history as well as what is the past behind Dark Trolls.
    It's stated as fact from a scroll in-game when he started to rule. Dark Trolls aren't Zandalari, as well. All trolls came from the Zandalari, and mutated differently. Dark Trolls are also not Darkspear Jungle Trolls.

    Azshara couldn't have had any relation to Rastakhan, and she was not born as a troll.
    -Not unlike Malfurion or Illidan, Azshara has no backstory of how she came to be, only in books like the Sundering but that timeline was under her reign already but not prior to it.
    We see the day Malfurion and Illidan are born in Legion, as Night Elves in Lorlathil. They were young adults by the time Azshara summoned the Legion in the War of the Ancients. The War of the Ancients trilogy also deeply speaks about how Malfurion and Illidan grew into their powers.

    Perhaps the reason why the Nightborne easily sided with the New Horde of Sylvanas, they have knowledge and secrets about their origin and how the Night Elves in general are related with the Trolls.
    The Nightborne join the Horde because of Liadrin. This was found out by the Red Shirt Guy when he visited the Orgrimmar and Stormwind embassies. Sylvanas' only involvement in that decision is that she's happy the Nightborne are magically gifted.

    Maybe Malfurion or Tyrande have knowledge as well and have kept it a secret, who knows. And why would a Titan Construct known as Uldir exist in the Zone of Zandalar?
    Malfurion and Tyrande are Night Elves that didn't grow up with trolls. We know this already. And we know that Uldir is a prison for a titan experiment named G'huun, who is a "blood god" that was created from experimental Old God energy. We don't know why it's in Zandalar, but from what we know so far, it has nothing to do with elves at all.
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    ...Fucking secret knowledge. I think my brain just died a little.

    There are Titan vaults all fuckin over Azeroth. And it's not like the Pantheon dropped a Vault under the trolls. The trolls probably made an empire around it because it's a fukcin Titan Vault.
    You wouldn't be smart if you keep your server stay at only one place when something goes haywire. It's easy to trash down that server or mainframe and would be a piece of cake to end it that way. That was the reason why different Titan Constructs are in different part of Azeroth. There is also one more Titan Vault not yet mentioned but exist deep beneath Maraudon .


    So sure, the connection is there, but they are not gonna make it a topic inside the game.
    Look at what happened with Yorg Frostheart, for all we know Muradin was already dead. Or even have any clue that gnomes came from mechagnomes affected by the curse of Flesh as well.

    Examine King Rastakhan closely, his body seems to be primal and primitive to a point, earthen in appearance.



    Legion Nightborne assets. Look at their model with some body parts appearing. Some of the models fully shows their physique, theirs resembles more to female trolls part from the phalanx and digits as opposed to night elven current model.
    1:35.

    Looks like a Troll standing upright to me. 2:32
    Having a meso-American vibe to the model and similarity with Zandalarians. 3:08

    your Female Zandalari Troll
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    You wouldn't be smart if you keep your server stay at only one place when something goes haywire. It's easy to trash down that server or mainframe and would be a piece of cake to end it that way. That was the reason why different Titan Constructs are in different part of Azeroth. There is also one more Titan Vault not yet mentioned but exist deep beneath Maraudon .
    Again. And don't take this personally, but... wot the actual fuck?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vertigo12 View Post
    Legion Nightborne assets. Look at their model with some body parts appearing. Some of the models fully shows their physique, theirs resembles more to female trolls part from the phalanx and digits as opposed to night elven current model.
    Dude, we know Elves are mutated trolls. We've known that for years. In game elves and trolls know they are related. Noone questions that. We question you and your conspiracy theories.

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    Most of what I've said has contradicted your OP.
    Nope it didn't. It even gave a stronger support to my hypothesis.

    Maybe Malfurion or Tyrande have knowledge as well and have kept it a secret, who knows. And why would a Titan Construct known as Uldir exist in the Zone of Zandalar?
    Malfurion and Tyrande are Night Elves that didn't grow up with trolls. We know this already. And we know that Uldir is a prison for a titan experiment named G'huun, who is a "blood god" that was created from experimental Old God energy. We don't know why it's in Zandalar, but from what we know so far, it has nothing to do with elves at all.
    What I mean by Malfurion, Illidan and Tyrande may have secrets or know about their lineage was based on the fact Malfurion and Tyrande are already adults when the Great Sundering happened thus the reason why they founded Darnasus and the War of the Ancients.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vertigo12 View Post
    Nope it didn't. It even gave a stronger support to my hypothesis.
    I mean maybe if you don't actually read anything Destinas wrote.

    What I mean by Malfurion, Illidan and Tyrande may have secrets or know about their lineage was based on the fact Malfurion and Tyrande are already adults when the Great Sundering happened thus the reason why they founded Darnasus and the War of the Ancients.
    Have you played the campaign before the Nightwell? I'm not sure you did.

    The great big secret of trolls mutating into Nelves because of the Well is a well known fact in elven circles. Belves tease Nelves about it. Can you just take a second and read what others wrote in this thread? It's only 2 pages long and most of that is your pictures as evidence of the secret mystical speculation about trolls turning into elves.

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    Unless retconned somewhere else:

    Zin-Azshari ("The Glory of Azshara" in Darnassian) was the lavish capital city of the night elves' great empire 10,000 years ago, built on the banks of the Well of Eternity. Originally named Elun'dris, or "the Eye of Elune",[2] it was renamed after the elves' beloved Queen Azshara after her ascension to the throne.[3] The city was also known simply as Azshara.[4] However, it has also been said that Queen Azshara wanted to rename Zin-Azshari as simply "Azshara" after Sargeras remade Azeroth.[5]
    So it is safe to assume that there were Night Elf queens before she came along.


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