So Alleria will be at war against Silvermoon and her sister ?

[Mic_128]

Blizzard lore writers are forced to produce lore AFTER the game designers decide which race goes where, instead of actually producing consistent lore facts and using it for gameplay reasons.

Perhaps, but the Nightborne favouring the Horde was pretty obvious. Tyrande rejecting them, making it clear the only reason they're helping is to defeat the Legion, not to any loyalty to those that had abandoned them to focus on saving their own arcane power, something that largely hasn't changed at all in the ten thousand+ years they've been under the dome.

Meanwhile, Liadrin was sharing their similar issues with addiction to magic, tear own origins of leaving the greater Nightelven people to continue to practise arcane magic.

On top of that, in patch 7.3, you see one of the Nightborne (I think it was the telemancy elf?) standing alongside Liadrin before leaving Azeroth and during the 'Arrival on Argus' cinematic.

Also, the others are kind of self-explanatory. The tauren-with-different-antlers would join the other tauren. The Light-Draenei would be working with their kind, same with the Dark Irons and the Trolls.

And before people claim that the Lightforged and the Highmountain tribes should be neutral because of what the player has done, no. The player was on the Isles as a representative of their class hall, not their faction. They like you, yes, but they aren't going to join your faction. Baine and Anduin get along great, but Baine isn't joining the Alliance because of Anduin's actions in saving them from Magatha's attempted coup.


the only ones that don't really make sense are the Void Elves, and we all know that's because Blizzard want to just shut up the "High Elves should be playable on Alliance" crowd.

[Sangris]

Last time Lor'themar tried to join the Alliance, Jaina started to randomly kill Blood Elves.

Yes, that's why Alleria fails to convince him to join the Alliance. But if she succeeded and he actually joined them, the Nightborne would do so aswell.

[ornichi]

Last time Lor'themar tried to join the Alliance, Jaina started to randomly kill Blood Elves.

yea, cuz if you want to build up healthy relations with other people, you don't steal a dangerous artifact capable of destroying a continent from their capital to give it to a guy, who wants to make everyone his slaves.

[Magnagarde]

Imagine being naive enough to believe alleria would ever go horde.

Kangodo finally found the courage to reply in a thread regarding Alleria. Don't be like this.

[Sangris]

There's already a thread where you can discuss the Purge of Dalaran in depth. No need to bring that up here.

[ornichi]

Good thing the Sunreavers didn't do that.

IKR, glad Jaina didn't start to randomly kill Blood Elves after that.

[Doffen]

Have you met Tyrande?

She wasn't. You should do the suramar questline at both side and really read the whole thing.

So tired of this horde bias bullshit. Just done the thing as horde and the whole shift towards Nightborne being Horde is setup horribly.

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This whole discussion exists for one and only reason.

Blizzard lore writers are forced to produce lore AFTER the game designers decide which race goes where, instead of actually producing consistent lore facts and using it for gameplay reasons.

Of course, Blizzard makes and sells games, not stories. The stories are just backgrounds for the game. It seems in order to make "strange" decisions on the game lore, if gameplay is on the front for them. As for any discrepancies, they can always produce audio, cinematics, books to bridge things that seem inconsistent inside the story of the game (while at the same time, confusing the players who don't/can't have access to those outside sources).

So the choice is between to not pay too much attention to the Lore, as it serves a "higher" (for the company) purpose, or to bash the game for not have lore consistency.

We have seen retcons before. Discussing any of those is just for the sake of discussion, aka fun, but for the matter at hand, is futile.

You are very correct Fun to discuss though right

Ion to the story-dev: "Ey, Nightborne joining the Horde. Fix it."

[Friendlyimmolation]

IKR, glad Jaina didn't start to randomly kill Blood Elves after that.

Silverthorn wasn't a sunreaver. That's all I'll say on the topic here.

OT any care I had for Alleria died when they made her the void maguffin human lover Vereesa copy. They squandered her potential.

[Deleted]

I think I would have preferred her come over to the Horde. Which could be easily argued for. A human Prince destroyed her kingdom, then other humans futher tried to fuck over the survivors only for the horde to help then rebuild. While Vereesa (if anyone needs to die in bfa its her) butchered BE civilians in the streets of the city they called home.... I get why she joined the allies but it could have very easily of gone the other way and be explained rationally with current lore.

Any have her join the Horde and do Turalyon on the Allaince, could have been intresting

But alas she is at war with her People. Instead she stood with her husband, son and traitorous sister which is understandable


Seriously though the Horde need to have a quest in the War campaign where they wipe the silver convernent to the last man. Preferably led by Rommath

[Aeula]

If Alleria thinks she's getting her bow back she's dead wrong.

She can have the arrows though.

[Vasaru]

Current Horde is nothing like the old one. Majority of her people joined the horde, her sister joined the horde. Why? because Alliance were dicks to them. Same principle as Nightborne.

Alliance never learn.

All allied alliance allied races (dwarfs were already there since Cata you just weren't able to play them) make no sense to join the alliance.

LF Draenei. after millennia fighting with BL there is no logical and racial explanation to join any faction.
Void elves. The only reason why void elves are in the game is because of crybabies for high elves.

There is no logical reason to join the alliance. They are fascists

God. You're so biased it hurts.

[Deleted]

The Nightborne don't join the Horde because Tyrande was mean to them, they join the Horde because they need allies and found more similarities with the Blood Elves than with the Night Elves, who rather shun the arcane ways of the Nightborne.
If Alleria managed to sway Lor'themar into joining the Alliance, the Nightborne would have joined it aswell.

Or and bear with me. We wait for the questline explaining it.

Your speculating that the Nightborne only join because of the BEs. For all we know Jiana might crash Daralan into surmmar (very unlikely but still)

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Current Horde is nothing like the old one. Majority of her people joined the horde, her sister joined the horde. Why? because Alliance were dicks to them. Same principle as Nightborne.

Alliance never learn.

All allied alliance allied races (dwarfs were already there since Cata you just weren't able to play them) make no sense to join the alliance.

LF Draenei. after millennia fighting with BL there is no logical and racial explanation to join any faction.
Void elves. The only reason why void elves are in the game is because of crybabies for high elves.

There is no logical reason to join the alliance. They are fascists

What?!

Right LF Goats for allys makes perfect sense. They basically veterans returning from a war. They come home to their people's new home. Then your people's enemies burn down your proximal allies capital. So even if LF Goats don't give a fuck about the Horde vs Alliance thing their new home has a real chance of being attacked.

Void Elves, though probably true on just being a thing to shut up High Elfers, they're followers of an Allaince hero and have been casted out of their homes. So their ethier going to make a new kingdom or side with allaince.

[Sangris]

Or and bear with me. We wait for the questline explaining it.

Your speculating that the Nightborne only join because of the BEs. For all we know Jiana might crash Daralan into surmmar (very unlikely but still)

You can see that already with the interactions between the Nightborne and the Blood Elves. They share the same ancestry and have plenty of interactions. Especially Silgryn is very impressed by the Blood Elves. Of course there could be other factors hat will be explained in the questline, but it's safe to say that the major deciding factor will be the Blood Elves.

[Magnagarde]

It almost feels like Blizzard is reading this lore section and gets ideas from it, such as giving the nightborne to the Horde. Ogres are the most anticipated addition for the Horde. Imagine getting ogres and zandalari trolls in one expansion.

Both the void elves and the nightborne shouldn't have been added, at least not at this time. They could've at least given themselves the timespan of an entire expansion to further weave out the stories for these two races.

[Deleted]

You can see that already with the interactions between the Nightborne and the Blood Elves. They share the same ancestry and have plenty of interactions. Especially Silgryn is very impressed by the Blood Elves. Of course there could be other factors hat will be explained in the questline, but it's safe to say that the major deciding factor will be the Blood Elves.

Apologises you're correct. I'm getting annoyed with the whatever allied race for whatever faction whining when no one knows any of the reasons why yet.

[Traveler Voltin]

since alleria is now a blind alliance fan girl, instead of being used to unite her people. i cant wait to kill the bitch.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Fixed

Other way around, it was Tyrande who didn't consider them her people.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Tyrande is a dogshit character imo. I hope both her and malfurion are killed off and replaced, or fix malfurion at the very least. But i still don't think that it makes any sense for Thalyssra (assuming all of the nightborne follow her, but i doubt that, same with HM tauren) to join the horde which is in a full scale war with the alliance, just because of being "mean".

You can't bring people together if one side has no respect for you. Alleria was in a unique position where she could have had the respect of both sides, but instead she threw it away by immediately trying to get the blood elves to bail the Horde.

Consider the crest of Surumar had the Dusk lilly added to it, and Baine has all the Highmountain tribes visiting Mulgore for a feast, I think it's safe to say the overwhelming majority of the races join the Horde. (But hey, maybe they just did some pants on head retarded Garithos 2.0 shit to push them over the edge.)

Back to Alleria,

She and Turalyon are just more characters ruined by their WoW appearances . (Tyrande too.)

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I am curious how Alleria will react to Blood Elves. She doesn't have any high ground to criticize their temporary use of fel magic after the loss of the sunwell, and they don't even do that anymore.

Don’t we know from the void elfs that she try’s to get them to join the alliance but they tell her to bugger off? Seems like she wants to be on there side but would still pick the allaince over the horde.

[Friendlyimmolation]

She does end up successful though, they're void elves, but she did get some.

I wonder what the popular would look like, how many BE to VE.

A small elite squad means that the blood elves numbers will barely change. They might have been exiled for years at this point.