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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Ajidehak View Post
    but chronicles clearly mentions that they killed the demons in the temple of Elune to save Suramar. Then they decided to not help the others and went under the shield until recent events.
    They shield themselves at the climax of the War of the Ancients. Not in the middle of the war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elbleuet View Post
    After all, they are still her people and I can't see her attacking Silvermoon.
    Well, Silver Covenant had no prob w/ assaulting and/or killing their brethren during the purge, so...

    Vereesa will show how its done

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Allora View Post
    They shield themselves at the climax of the War of the Ancients. Not in the middle of the war.
    It wasn't the climax. Elisande used the eye of Amanthul to see the future and saw the sundering. She then decided to abandon the others fighting against the Legion and created the shield. If it was at the climax, chronicle wouldn't mention that they abandoned the others.

  4. #44
    Meh I always thought Alleria's loyalty was to family, not race. Her family now is Turalyon and Arator. And for some reason I strongly suspect that Sylvanas is going to kill Vereesa before BfA (maybe unintentionally).

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Meh I always thought Alleria's loyalty was to family, not race. Her family now is Turalyon and Arator. And for some reason I strongly suspect that Sylvanas is going to kill Vereesa before BfA (maybe unintentionally).
    Personally i'm betting on Genn trying to kill Sylvanas,missing and killing Vereesa,and that being the cause of the whole conflict.

  6. #46
    Pfff - Sylvanas died long ago. She has nothing to do with the monster that is leading the horde now. Alleria has every right to end this abomination imitating her sister.

  7. #47
    The Nightborne don't join the Horde because Tyrande was mean to them, they join the Horde because they need allies and found more similarities with the Blood Elves than with the Night Elves, who rather shun the arcane ways of the Nightborne.
    If Alleria managed to sway Lor'themar into joining the Alliance, the Nightborne would have joined it aswell.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Fabinas View Post
    Blizzard lore writers are forced to produce lore AFTER the game designers decide which race goes where, instead of actually producing consistent lore facts and using it for gameplay reasons.
    Perhaps, but the Nightborne favouring the Horde was pretty obvious. Tyrande rejecting them, making it clear the only reason they're helping is to defeat the Legion, not to any loyalty to those that had abandoned them to focus on saving their own arcane power, something that largely hasn't changed at all in the ten thousand+ years they've been under the dome.

    Meanwhile, Liadrin was sharing their similar issues with addiction to magic, tear own origins of leaving the greater Nightelven people to continue to practise arcane magic.

    On top of that, in patch 7.3, you see one of the Nightborne (I think it was the telemancy elf?) standing alongside Liadrin before leaving Azeroth and during the 'Arrival on Argus' cinematic.

    Also, the others are kind of self-explanatory. The tauren-with-different-antlers would join the other tauren. The Light-Draenei would be working with their kind, same with the Dark Irons and the Trolls.

    And before people claim that the Lightforged and the Highmountain tribes should be neutral because of what the player has done, no. The player was on the Isles as a representative of their class hall, not their faction. They like you, yes, but they aren't going to join your faction. Baine and Anduin get along great, but Baine isn't joining the Alliance because of Anduin's actions in saving them from Magatha's attempted coup.


    the only ones that don't really make sense are the Void Elves, and we all know that's because Blizzard want to just shut up the "High Elves should be playable on Alliance" crowd.

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    Ion doesn't know yet, please hold while he asks Alliance-players what they want to happen.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bjoramier of Lordaeron View Post
    Imagine being naive enough to believe alleria would ever go horde.
    Yes, we were naive enough to think Blizzard would have any consistency in their stories.

    Quote Originally Posted by Schattenlied View Post
    The most important things in this world to her are her husband, and her son, her husband is Alliance, and her son grew up in Stormwind, and is part of the Alliance... So She's Alliance. That's all there is to it.
    Was that before or after she basically dumped her son without thinking twice about him?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sangris View Post
    The Nightborne don't join the Horde because Tyrande was mean to them, they join the Horde because they need allies and found more similarities with the Blood Elves than with the Night Elves, who rather shun the arcane ways of the Nightborne.
    If Alleria managed to sway Lor'themar into joining the Alliance, the Nightborne would have joined it aswell.
    Last time Lor'themar tried to join the Alliance, Jaina started to randomly kill Blood Elves.
    Originally Posted by Alpha Patch Notes (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
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  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    Last time Lor'themar tried to join the Alliance, Jaina started to randomly kill Blood Elves.
    Yes, that's why Alleria fails to convince him to join the Alliance. But if she succeeded and he actually joined them, the Nightborne would do so aswell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post

    Last time Lor'themar tried to join the Alliance, Jaina started to randomly kill Blood Elves.
    yea, cuz if you want to build up healthy relations with other people, you don't steal a dangerous artifact capable of destroying a continent from their capital to give it to a guy, who wants to make everyone his slaves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dankrave View Post
    yea, cuz if you want to build up healthy relations with other people, you don't steal a dangerous artifact capable of destroying a continent from their capital to give it to a guy, who wants to make everyone his slaves.
    Good thing the Sunreavers didn't do that.
    Originally Posted by Alpha Patch Notes (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
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  13. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Bjoramier of Lordaeron View Post
    Imagine being naive enough to believe alleria would ever go horde.
    Kangodo finally found the courage to reply in a thread regarding Alleria. Don't be like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    Good thing the Sunreavers didn't do that.
    IKR, glad Jaina didn't start to randomly kill Blood Elves after that.

  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Bambs View Post
    Have you met Tyrande?
    She wasn't. You should do the suramar questline at both side and really read the whole thing.

    So tired of this horde bias bullshit. Just done the thing as horde and the whole shift towards Nightborne being Horde is setup horribly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabinas View Post
    This whole discussion exists for one and only reason.

    Blizzard lore writers are forced to produce lore AFTER the game designers decide which race goes where, instead of actually producing consistent lore facts and using it for gameplay reasons.

    Of course, Blizzard makes and sells games, not stories. The stories are just backgrounds for the game. It seems in order to make "strange" decisions on the game lore, if gameplay is on the front for them. As for any discrepancies, they can always produce audio, cinematics, books to bridge things that seem inconsistent inside the story of the game (while at the same time, confusing the players who don't/can't have access to those outside sources).

    So the choice is between to not pay too much attention to the Lore, as it serves a "higher" (for the company) purpose, or to bash the game for not have lore consistency.

    We have seen retcons before. Discussing any of those is just for the sake of discussion, aka fun, but for the matter at hand, is futile.
    You are very correct Fun to discuss though right

    Ion to the story-dev: "Ey, Nightborne joining the Horde. Fix it."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dankrave View Post
    IKR, glad Jaina didn't start to randomly kill Blood Elves after that.
    Silverthorn wasn't a sunreaver. That's all I'll say on the topic here.

    OT any care I had for Alleria died when they made her the void maguffin human lover Vereesa copy. They squandered her potential.
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    You're right...least Hitler didn't try to bring back the people he killed from the dead to do his bidding.

  18. #58
    I think I would have preferred her come over to the Horde. Which could be easily argued for. A human Prince destroyed her kingdom, then other humans futher tried to fuck over the survivors only for the horde to help then rebuild. While Vereesa (if anyone needs to die in bfa its her) butchered BE civilians in the streets of the city they called home.... I get why she joined the allies but it could have very easily of gone the other way and be explained rationally with current lore.

    Any have her join the Horde and do Turalyon on the Allaince, could have been intresting

    But alas she is at war with her People. Instead she stood with her husband, son and traitorous sister which is understandable


    Seriously though the Horde need to have a quest in the War campaign where they wipe the silver convernent to the last man. Preferably led by Rommath

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    If Alleria thinks she's getting her bow back she's dead wrong.

    She can have the arrows though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allora View Post
    Current Horde is nothing like the old one. Majority of her people joined the horde, her sister joined the horde. Why? because Alliance were dicks to them. Same principle as Nightborne.

    Alliance never learn.

    All allied alliance allied races (dwarfs were already there since Cata you just weren't able to play them) make no sense to join the alliance.

    LF Draenei. after millennia fighting with BL there is no logical and racial explanation to join any faction.
    Void elves. The only reason why void elves are in the game is because of crybabies for high elves.

    There is no logical reason to join the alliance. They are fascists
    God. You're so biased it hurts.

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