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    lol questing in low areas being congested. i will be farming boars. *live to win, till you diiiiiie*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorcanna View Post
    Of course you can go in and kill a Mythic boss with the gear you have, either through getting it via progressing the raids and getting appropriate gear, or by purchasing a boost run.


    Gear these days might not make a bad player good like it could back in Classic
    , but it matters as much as ever for the content. The fact that you can't present your wrongful point without resorting to petty insults, says it all. Even the very best players of the game, can't go in and kill Mythic bosses without getting the appropriate gear.
    I am glad you are agreeing with me

    You are, however, missing the point entirely - gear either gave your classes abilities which they didn't have which were vital for PvP (engineering) or it was one of the boss' mechanics. You either had the cloak or you died. You either had resist gear or you died. You couldn't chain deffensives or dodge - you just died because you didn't have some obscure item or you didn't have a leatherworker who had the skinning knife from UBRS and an glove enchant.

    Nowadays gear is a tool, not a mechanic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmjclark View Post
    I'd like to go on record guessing that 65% of warrior players quit before level 30

    Players be like, "WTF do you mean I have to quest to get mah fury stance!? I need to buy RANKS in skills??? This is BS!".

    Likewise for rogues when they find out about having to quest to get the poison skill, farming mats, and not getting a max rank in eviscerate until they get a high level dungeon drop. >.<
    We are WARRIORS man! If we can't make it bleed, we will sure as hell dent the f%^ck out of it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tholl View Post
    Players be like, "WTF do you mean I have to quest to get mah fury stance!? I need to buy RANKS in skills??? This is BS!".

    Likewise for rogues when they find out about having to quest to get the poison skill, farming mats, and not getting a max rank in eviscerate until they get a high level dungeon drop. >.<
    Warriors running away from 2 centaurs and a hyena in the Barrens going like "WTF IS THIS, I CAN'T KILL THEM! Shit game!"

  5. #45
    If the past history of Classic projections is accurate, then Classic will be an overwhelming success because the naysayers of the past were not just wrong, they were totally wrong. The pessimists got completely demolished about the fact that Blizz, would never create Classic servers. I could dig up thousands posts that were wrong, of course there is the possibility that Classic will just be as expected with a couple hundred thousand players but I suppose even we, the optimists, have no idea how big the surge will be.

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    15. You wake up

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    Classic in private servers is already much better/fun than retail. I can only imagine how much better it'll be in an official blizzard server without the constant threat of shutting down or the shady gold selling business that's been going on around...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nienor View Post
    Classic in private servers is already much better/fun than retail. I can only imagine how much better it'll be in an official blizzard server without the constant threat of shutting down or the shady gold selling business that's been going on around...
    Ya, I've been wondering if gold sellers will manage to be a thing again with classic servers up.

    Also crossing my fingers for a PvP server without the new QoL change that they are adding to live that allows you to unflag yourself for PvP.

    No porting into dungeons/flying is going to create some serious battles in game again, and I can't wait for it.
    We are WARRIORS man! If we can't make it bleed, we will sure as hell dent the f%^ck out of it!

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Dracula View Post
    "OMG THEY HAVEN'T ADDED NEW CONTENT FOR 3 MONTHS!! I'm going to go play Classic, where the content hasn't changed in 12 years!"
    And the contents they added after classic also encourage replay: m+, achievements, transmogs, and weekly rotation of some things so that even without updates there is still different contents. I'm not saying that everyone enjoys that - but I highly doubt that OP's prediction will come true.

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Mirishka View Post
    I, too, know how Classic WoW will play out!

    1. Classic WoW is announced.
    2. People make lots of stupid, pointless topics offering 'insight' about Classic WoW
    3. End
    I saw that coming miles away. And then I have another prediction!

    If classic does well - "LUL SEE NEW WOW IS TRASH?"
    If it does poorly? - "IT'S BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES THAT BLIZZ MADE/DIDN'T MAKE!"

    Personally? I see a lot of initial interest, then it falls off to a more focused group. Numbers wise? Let's say 8 million in the first couple months, cut to about 2 million after a year. If so long.

  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Nienor View Post
    Classic in private servers is already much better/fun than retail. I can only imagine how much better it'll be in an official blizzard server without the constant threat of shutting down or the shady gold selling business that's been going on around...
    Simple logic explained:
    PS is better experience
    plus
    PS is free
    should equal to
    PS population > retail population
    Right?
    No?
    Nooooooooo.
    Retail population>>>>>>>>>>>PS population.

    Now go back to the two arguments that led to the false conclusion for a little fact check.
    PS is free = check.
    PS is better experience = ...

    So the new conclusion: Vanilla type experience is better than retail for a small group of people, far from all.
    My prediction:
    Classic will have it's peak for about 6 months after it's release. By that time few things will happen:
    1. Most of retail players will realize that they cannot manage to maintain two WoW games at the same time and will prefer retail
    2. Many Classic player that came from PS will realize that now they are paying for something that they were getting for free before and will also leave
    3. Old time players that have quit WoW for good will realize that the magic is gone and this game is not able to bring back their youth. And leave.
    4. Other reasons to leave
    5. Classic will anchor around 50-100K subs for a couple of years, after that fall into slow decline with no new content added in.

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    I doubt it. I do genuinely think it will have a lifespan for even the most hardcore, these are the player that have been playing it for the last 10 years on private servers. There is a solid community that usually end up rolling on new servers together and creating a competitive pvp/pve environment server, I hope that Blizzard identify this and stagger the release of servers over a period.
    I expect mass hype, it's impossible to say how long people will stick it out.

  13. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    Here is what I think will happen:

    1. WoW Classic is released.
    2. Players OVERWHELM the WoW Classic server. There is far MORE interest in WoW Classic than they anticipated. The initial Classic playerbase is something like 65% of the retail playerbase.
    3. The zones are congested and packed. It becomes difficult to level simply because you wind up with a queue to kill certain quest mobs.
    4. The people who vault ahead of the pack are those who ignore pretty much all quests from 1-25 and just grind. They hit 25+ ahead of everyone else and then get places like Arathi Highlands or Thousand Needles to themselves, which means they can now quest and pull ahead even FASTER.
    5. Blizzard decides to take no action regarding congested zones, adopting a policy that "the people wanted a vanilla experience and this is part of it."
    6. The Classic playerbase drops as people quit because they won't tolerate congested early zones. However, this is balanced by some people quitting WoW altogether, even retail. So the playerbase drops to something like 50% of retail.
    7. After a couple months, WoW Classic begins to settle in. Players adopt a policy of switching to Classic every time there is a content drought in retail.
    8. Every time there is a retail content drought, people play Classic and realize that, for some reason, its just more FUN and INTERESTING. They have a reputation in the Classic community to defend and protect. They MATTER. The gear and accomplishments seem to MATTER in a way it does not on retail.
    9. With every content drought in retail, Classic actually converts people to exclusive Classic players.
    10. 6 months after launch, the Classic population is about 75% the size of the retail population.
    11. 9 months to a year after launch the Classic population is roughly the same size as retail.
    12. People begin to regularly clear Naxxramas by now, with the PvE content complete, people quit WoW Classic. But thee people also feel retail is somehow inferior and do not return to retail.
    13. The WoW Classic population hovers around 80%-90% the size of the retail population.
    14. At this point, with the PvE content complete, the WoW Classic server begins a permanent transition into a PvP server. WoW classic becomes exclusively the place to grind rank 14, or play Arathi Basin, WSG, or especially old Alterac Valley all day.
    Haha! Yeah, no.
    It'll never be close to "80%-90% the size of the retail population" and it will most definitely not be anywhere near thoes numbers after a month or two.

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    1. Lot of people (3-4 millions?) will check Classic servers. Most of them will drop after few hours (I assume they will be free if you have active sub) shouting "what they hell is that".
    2. Rest will enjoy their nostalgia trip, some will rush to max.
    3. People that rushed will roflstomp all content (depend how it will be gated).
    4. Population will stabilize around 300-500k people.
    5. Community will call it fail.
    6. "Legacy" community will blame Blizzard, because they have changed game, so it's no longer same experience (even if Blizzard won't change anything).
    7. The End.

    Bonus: J. Allen Brack will release video called: "You thought you do, but you don't" where he is smiling and drinking whiskey.

    Don't get me wrong, I like that you'll have your servers. I will try them too (although I would prefer WoTLK to experience old world). But some of you are so detached from reality that it's not even funny. It may be painful when you hit reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    1. Lot of people (3-4 millions?) will check Classic servers. Most of them will drop after few hours (I assume they will be free if you have active sub) shouting "what they hell is that".
    2. Rest will enjoy their nostalgia trip, some will rush to max.
    3. People that rushed will roflstomp all content (depend how it will be gated).
    4. Population will stabilize around 300-500k people.
    5. Community will call it fail.
    6. "Legacy" community will blame Blizzard, because they have changed game, so it's no longer same experience (even if Blizzard won't change anything).
    7. The End.
    This is the biggest reason Blizzard was disinterested in Legacy up until this point. No matter what they do, they'll never be able to live up to the nostalgia-dripping lunacy a vocal segment of this community believes in. Even if it's a carbon copy of Vanilla WoW, the fact that it isn't the year 2004 anymore is going to play a major part in how the game is perceived. Worse than that, there is the positively bewildering fact that there are people in this community who actually believe the game will somehow revert to the popularity powerhouse it was when it was released.

    Ultimately, it's a "damned if they do," and "damned if they don't" scenario... I personally don't believe the risks outweigh the possibility of recapturing lightning in a bottle twice; it'll be interesting to see how everything pans out but I have extreme reservations it will result in anything positive.

    Best case scenario, Legacy lays the groundwork for whatever becomes of WoW once Blizzard announces another MMO to replace it.
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  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    4. Population will stabilize around 300-500k people.
    5. Community will call it fail.
    Those 2 don't go together.

    Anything around 25k~ recurrent players would be awesome. And you're claiming a 'low number' between 300-500k would be seen as a fail? Laughable dude.

  17. #57
    If there's no gold sellers and a pile of dead body in Org making the url for the website it will ruin the Vanilla experience.

  18. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Tholl View Post
    Ya, I've been wondering if gold sellers will manage to be a thing again with classic servers up.

    Also crossing my fingers for a PvP server without the new QoL change that they are adding to live that allows you to unflag yourself for PvP.

    No porting into dungeons/flying is going to create some serious battles in game again, and I can't wait for it.
    Just in case you or anyone else hasn't figured this out, they are not changing pvp servers, they are removing them. completely. all servers are becoming pve. its just that they framed it in such a clever way, that people didn't quite realize.

  19. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    Here is what I think will happen:

    1. WoW Classic is released.
    2. Players OVERWHELM the WoW Classic server. There is far MORE interest in WoW Classic than they anticipated. The initial Classic playerbase is something like 65% of the retail playerbase.
    3. The zones are congested and packed. It becomes difficult to level simply because you wind up with a queue to kill certain quest mobs.
    4. The people who vault ahead of the pack are those who ignore pretty much all quests from 1-25 and just grind. They hit 25+ ahead of everyone else and then get places like Arathi Highlands or Thousand Needles to themselves, which means they can now quest and pull ahead even FASTER.
    14. At this point, with the PvE content complete, the WoW Classic server begins a permanent transition into a PvP server. WoW classic becomes exclusively the place to grind rank 14, or play Arathi Basin, WSG, or especially old Alterac Valley all day.
    These four points are for sure correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    14. At this point, with the PvE content complete, the WoW Classic server begins a permanent transition into a PvP server. WoW classic becomes exclusively the place to grind rank 14, or play Arathi Basin, WSG, or especially old Alterac Valley all day.
    And world PvP will be dead, since people will either level on PvE-servers - or on a faction-exclusive PvP-server. (Assuming it is 1.12 with cross-realm bgs.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    Just in case you or anyone else hasn't figured this out, they are not changing pvp servers, they are removing them. completely. all servers are becoming pve. its just that they framed it in such a clever way, that people didn't quite realize.
    Well, we realized but didn't want to tell the others.

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