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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    I am not looking forward to the scaling update. An increase of experience needed for leveling by 60% is turning an already tedious experience an even worse nightmare. As a DPS, this is hell. With full heirlooms, it took me 5 hours to go from level 68 to 80. The experience given by quests is not enough for it to be any quicker. Increasing that by 60% will make leveling feel like pulling fucking teeth. I will never level in this game again without Recruit-A-Friend again. The increase in experience needed is 100% a way to push people to buy boosts and I fucking hate it.
    Totally disagree.

  2. #42
    Given that timewalking Ulduar is included in the 7.3.5 What's New image. When is Northrend Timewalking happening next on live? Perhaps that would be a good estimate of when to expect these changes to go live.
    Last edited by Pattiecakes; 2017-12-06 at 01:40 PM.

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Pattiecakes View Post
    Given that timewalking Ulduar is included in the 7.5.3 What's New image. When is Northrend Timewalking happening next on live? Perhaps that would be a good estimate of when to expect these changes to go live.
    February the 14th I think is the next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blysto View Post
    Totally disagree.
    Maybe you should look into playing on Classic servers.

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    February the 14th I think is the next time.

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    Maybe you should look into playing on Classic servers.
    That's totally a different case in my opinion. Over the years I have been playing World of Warcraft on retail servers, in MY opinion leveling got worse and worse and worse, to the point that you literly one shot everything and that leveling a character is just a mindless grind. Some people might like it, well you had you're fun for the past 3 years or so. I like the leveling being harder and taking more time. And no I don't want to play on vanilla since I don't like the base vanilla game, I like the game how it is right now. So please come with good argument instead of just saying "play classic servers".

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Wries View Post
    Read his entire post on repeat until you get it.
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    Now you know.
    OMG You dont say! Please continue i am totally listening

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Noix View Post
    everyone is asking for Allied race.. but did you forget you wont be able to play them till you unlock them (that is in BFA) .. so asking for them sooner is sorta pointless
    It's not hard to make the quests for lvl 110 and lock them behind having BfA preorder.

  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Blysto View Post
    That's totally a different case in my opinion. Over the years I have been playing World of Warcraft on retail servers, in MY opinion leveling got worse and worse and worse, to the point that you literly one shot everything and that leveling a character is just a mindless grind. Some people might like it, well you had you're fun for the past 3 years or so. I like the leveling being harder and taking more time. And no I don't want to play on vanilla since I don't like the base vanilla game, I like the game how it is right now. So please come with good argument instead of just saying "play classic servers".
    Because 1-60 content is utterly irrelevant, so it's not really fair to demand others to stay in there for longer than they have to because you like it. It's more than reasonable to ask, with 6 expansions of leveling content and 110 levels in the game, that leveling might be quick and easy, instead of making it even slower than it was.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Because 1-60 content is utterly irrelevant, so it's not really fair to demand others to stay in there for longer than they have to because you like it. It's more than reasonable to ask, with 6 expansions of leveling content and 110 levels in the game, that leveling might be quick and easy, instead of making it even slower than it was.
    its not irrelevant.. its part of the game..
    by your logic its not fair to demand others to do mythic to get the artifact skins.. or mounts... simple.

  9. #49
    Bliizz should release 4 of the 6 allied races pre-expansion and lock the other 2 races when BfA is released.

  10. #50
    Rip pink cube o'doom.

    Quote Originally Posted by Theonus View Post
    To answer the secret hidden question: The Orville, definitely The Orville...
    I have to agree and I'm a huge star trek fan. Discovery was def not my cup of tea.

  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by ombus View Post
    its not irrelevant.. its part of the game..
    by your logic its not fair to demand others to do mythic to get the artifact skins.. or mounts... simple.
    It's not relevant. It's outdated content. Your comparison is idiotic because Legion IS current content. Everything you do in Legion is current, and a lot of people levelign their characters want to hop into it, rather than be stuck for any longer in the 1-60 grind because some people are really bored and want to remain stuck in the old world and smell the flowers.

  12. #52
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    Quote Originally Posted by ombus View Post
    its not irrelevant.. its part of the game..
    by your logic its not fair to demand others to do mythic to get the artifact skins.. or mounts... simple.
    Actually not really..most of the 1-60 content is not vanilla anymore but cataclysm....The original lvl 1-60 mostly gone by the wind (like Order must be restored quest or the Guardians of the Altar quest....which is a great loss for me :P)

  13. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    It's not relevant. It's outdated content. Your comparison is idiotic because Legion IS current content. Everything you do in Legion is current, and a lot of people levelign their characters want to hop into it, rather than be stuck for any longer in the 1-60 grind because some people are really bored and want to remain stuck in the old world and smell the flowers.
    your comment is idiotic.. so you say only current content is relevant... -.- thats dumb .. all of the game is content.. it doesnt have to be current expansions.. people play alts or go complete archievements of older expansions.. go for mounts, etc.

    if someone wants to play latest content then he/she will level if they find it fun, if not then they will use the instant level that comes with " latest content ". levelig its a part of the game. always was and will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cateran View Post
    Actually not really..most of the 1-60 content is not vanilla anymore but cataclysm....The original lvl 1-60 mostly gone by the wind (like Order must be restored quest or the Guardians of the Altar quest....which is a great loss for me :P)
    the fact that its not vainilla does not make it not part of the game...

  14. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by ombus View Post
    your comment is idiotic.. so you say only current content is relevant... -.- thats dumb .. all of the game is content.. it doesnt have to be current expansions.. people play alts or go complete archievements of older expansions.. go for mounts, etc.

    if someone wants to play latest content then he/she will level if they find it fun, if not then they will use the instant level that comes with " latest content ". levelig its a part of the game. always was and will be.
    Yes, only current content is relevant. 1-60 content is 6 to over 10 years outdated depending. If you want to wallow in it, your choice, but leveling shouldn't be any more tedious than it was before 7.3.5. If they want to do older content, that's their prerogative, but people that just want to jump into the current content should be able to do so without a hassle, not think twice about leveling their new shaman to 110 because on top of the 90-100 and 100 to 110 experience, 1-60 was also made into a chore because a few people want to be forced to be in old content for longer periods, when that choice is literally their own to make.

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    So what will be done about old enchanting materials with the scaling Dungeons ? Do we have to lock a character at a specific level (of a mob) to get the BoP items to DE in Dungeons ?
    Nothing has been said about that and it's something someone pointed out yesterday.

  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Yes, only current content is relevant. 1-60 content is 6 to over 10 years outdated depending. If you want to wallow in it, your choice, but leveling shouldn't be any more tedious than it was before 7.3.5. If they want to do older content, that's their prerogative, but people that just want to jump into the current content should be able to do so without a hassle, not think twice about leveling their new shaman to 110 because on top of the 90-100 and 100 to 110 experience, 1-60 was also made into a chore because a few people want to be forced to be in old content for longer periods, when that choice is literally their own to make.
    They've increased the required experience for hitting level 20 and 40 but by the looks of it the amount for hitting 60 remains relatively unchanged. We currently have no indication how much experience we're receiving from killing monsters or from quests outside of someone manually checking it on the PTR. You're complaining because it's going to take a little longer, which will most likely allow people to experience how the game will be played as it'll work closer to how it does for the 100-110 leveling. The whole point of these changes is to bring the rest of the game in line with how it plays at higher levels so that players are able to acclimatize to that throughout their journey.

    At present the pre-90 levels may as well be a completely different game at this point. So when they start to approach those higher levels they're being thrown by those changes rather than welcoming them. That is if they even make it that far in the first place. The main sticking point is that the game isn't fun at lower levels because everything is so simple and easy there is no reason to maintain any focus on what you're trying to do. Thereby resulting in faster burnout for the players. Slightly longer but more rewarding leveling is not going to make that worse by any stretch.

    Also, outside of Ghostlands, Eversong, Bloodmist and Azuremist isles the rest of the old 1-60 content was revamped during Cataclysm which actually made it far more current than the existing 60-80 content. Not to mention that this is also allowing people to switch between a choice of two different expansions for the 60-80 or 80-90 bracket which is going to allow them a great deal more freedom than having to be bogged down during the leveling procedure. Same with the level pool for dungeons being expanded across the board as well.

  17. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by shoc View Post
    I'm pretty sure the 4 Allied Races we are seeing will be the pre-order bonuses, that's the only logical reason why they would be included in 7.3.5, and why we haven't seen even a glimpse of Zandalari or Dark Iron Dwarves yet. Not to mention, the rewards for their racial armor are given at level 110.
    This tbh. I presume the encoded "dog" mount is probably the collectors edition mount as well. The Zandalari we meet in Zandalar, duh, and the Dark Iron Dwarves in Kul'Tiras. I presume we'll unlock them by completing the Zandalar and Kul'Tiras quest zones fully.

  18. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Redawn View Post
    I'm confused... Are there two BGs coming out? I though it was only 1.
    One copy may be used for a brawl.

  19. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrealius View Post
    They've increased the required experience for hitting level 20 and 40 but by the looks of it the amount for hitting 60 remains relatively unchanged. We currently have no indication how much experience we're receiving from killing monsters or from quests outside of someone manually checking it on the PTR. You're complaining because it's going to take a little longer, which will most likely allow people to experience how the game will be played as it'll work closer to how it does for the 100-110 leveling. The whole point of these changes is to bring the rest of the game in line with how it plays at higher levels so that players are able to acclimatize to that throughout their journey.

    At present the pre-90 levels may as well be a completely different game at this point. So when they start to approach those higher levels they're being thrown by those changes rather than welcoming them. That is if they even make it that far in the first place. The main sticking point is that the game isn't fun at lower levels because everything is so simple and easy there is no reason to maintain any focus on what you're trying to do. Thereby resulting in faster burnout for the players. Slightly longer but more rewarding leveling is not going to make that worse by any stretch.

    Also, outside of Ghostlands, Eversong, Bloodmist and Azuremist isles the rest of the old 1-60 content was revamped during Cataclysm which actually made it far more current than the existing 60-80 content. Not to mention that this is also allowing people to switch between a choice of two different expansions for the 60-80 or 80-90 bracket which is going to allow them a great deal more freedom than having to be bogged down during the leveling procedure. Same with the level pool for dungeons being expanded across the board as well.
    The point still remains that leveling from 1-110 is a chore for people that just want to get it over with. The current changes aren't so much a problem - they're fairly minuscule all things considered, but I disagree highly with the notion that we need to make leveling lengthier at all, instead of shorter.

    At some point, we're gonna need some kind of squish. Either exp gets buffed through the roof or the levels get squished, because I have no intention to keep leveling alts if in a few years, I'll have 150 levels to get through and 8-9 expansions of leveling content just to be able to get somewhere in current content.

  20. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    I am not looking forward to the scaling update. An increase of experience needed for leveling by 60% is turning an already tedious experience an even worse nightmare. As a DPS, this is hell. With full heirlooms, it took me 5 hours to go from level 68 to 80. The experience given by quests is not enough for it to be any quicker. Increasing that by 60% will make leveling feel like pulling fucking teeth. I will never level in this game again without Recruit-A-Friend again. The increase in experience needed is 100% a way to push people to buy boosts and I fucking hate it.
    YEA! Playing the game I pay for is stupid. Just mail us gear and give us levels.

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