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    What made Crit Subtlety's go-to stat now?

    Especially in regards to obtaining the Antorus tier set. The only thing I've seen that has any interaction with crit is the Weak Point artifact trait. Do people just have enough of the other stats to make crit scaling more valuable now?

    I'm genuinely curious, please don't flame me.

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    Crit has always been a good stat for all rogue specs, if you have the shoulder legendary it reduces the value of crit by a large margin and since you've always wanted to use them, crit has never been a stat that we've gone for.

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    I was lucky at argus hc and got double relict with pretty good nlc traits. 2 Weak Point + Gutripper + Shadowblades + Torment + Chaotic Darkness.
    Versatility is by far my best stat, closely followed by mastery. Even with shoulders crit almost catch agility and since i have 2pc t21 even haste took a small jump.
    If i would take of shoulders crit will probably skyrocket to top stat.

    In the end you have to sim your current gear setup.
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    the reason is that in theory, the best gear setup is with t21 4set+some super titanforged t20 2 piece. so theres no room for the 100% crit shoulder legendary. so you loose alota crit that you used to have, and crit becomes more valuable.
    BUT, in reality youll just have the t21 4 piece, and youll still use shoulders, and crit wont be your best stat.
    the guide you read is misleading, if it doesnt explain why the stat values are as they say. but i bet they said that they recommend to sim your own stats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by egeszsegere View Post
    the reason is that in theory, the best gear setup is with t21 4set+some super titanforged t20 2 piece. so theres no room for the 100% crit shoulder legendary. so you loose alota crit that you used to have, and crit becomes more valuable.
    BUT, in reality youll just have the t21 4 piece, and youll still use shoulders, and crit wont be your best stat.
    the guide you read is misleading, if it doesnt explain why the stat values are as they say. but i bet they said that they recommend to sim your own stats.
    you yourself may not wear both sets, but not everyone failed to plan for it. i myself have 950 gloves and shoulders to use

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    Quote Originally Posted by egeszsegere View Post
    the reason is that in theory, the best gear setup is with t21 4set+some super titanforged t20 2 piece. so theres no room for the 100% crit shoulder legendary. so you loose alota crit that you used to have, and crit becomes more valuable.
    BUT, in reality youll just have the t21 4 piece, and youll still use shoulders, and crit wont be your best stat.
    the guide you read is misleading, if it doesnt explain why the stat values are as they say. but i bet they said that they recommend to sim your own stats.
    didnt 2+4set die kinda quick?

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    Im using 2set/2set gloves and mantle and my weights are still vers>mast>crit>agil>haste as they has been since i put on mythic tier 20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekroman View Post
    Im using 2set/2set gloves and mantle and my weights are still vers>mast>crit>agil>haste as they has been since i put on mythic tier 20.
    if you reach a situation where you stop using shoulders because having more crit for 100% of the time instead of in bursts is better....then crit becomes your best stat. You can do that right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elfporn View Post
    you yourself may not wear both sets, but not everyone failed to plan for it. i myself have 950 gloves and shoulders to use
    Wish I could've planned for all those gloves and shoulders I rolled to tf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotlander View Post
    Wish I could've planned for all those gloves and shoulders I rolled to tf.
    The trick is to clench your butthole extra tight.

    I swear this works, everyone who rolled tier this week did the clench and we all rolled warforged or better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elfporn View Post
    The trick is to clench your butthole extra tight.

    I swear this works, everyone who rolled tier this week did the clench and we all rolled warforged or better.
    Had you have an officer check the clench?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ymirsson View Post
    Had you have an officer check the clench?
    He came out with diamonds,

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    Quote Originally Posted by elfporn View Post
    you yourself may not wear both sets, but not everyone failed to plan for it. i myself have 950 gloves and shoulders to use
    i planned to have 955 in all slots actually, but rngesus didnt want it that way.
    consider yourself one of the lucky few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by egeszsegere View Post
    i planned to have 955 in all slots actually, but rngesus didnt want it that way.
    consider yourself one of the lucky few.
    aye, it was a near thing, i got both pieces in the last two weeks before antorus

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    Quote Originally Posted by elfporn View Post
    you yourself may not wear both sets, but not everyone failed to plan for it. i myself have 950 gloves and shoulders to use
    Yeah mate, i am sorry that i didn't plan to get titanforged pieces. Besides, according to ravenholdt's sims, the difference in mythic gear is marginal, it is around 2k to be exact. So if you weren't blessed to get titanforged t20 pieces, you won't give a shit and stay with hands/mantle for pure single target fights. Hands also make your playstyle more flexible which can help you to adjust quickly in various situations.
    Last edited by Aurellio; 2017-12-07 at 10:56 AM.

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    I mean if you are really lucky you could also get super-titanforged nighthold set right?

    in theory you could have 2set/2set/2et with Boots and Ring Legendary or something like that

    Assuming all sets procced to the max item levels what is the value of the set bonus? I mean t21 bonus is not necessarily as good as the bonus of t19 or t20 for all specs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quizzlemanizzle View Post
    I mean if you are really lucky you could also get super-titanforged nighthold set right?

    in theory you could have 2set/2set/2et with Boots and Ring Legendary or something like that

    Assuming all sets procced to the max item levels what is the value of the set bonus? I mean t21 bonus is not necessarily as good as the bonus of t19 or t20 for all specs.
    The t20 bonus for me, as assination, is excellent. I might go away from it someday.

    Raidbots should be able to roughly valuate the bonuses with some comparisons.

    Im locked now in every slot except rings, neck, and relics.....BfA tier system is looking more and more attractive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elfporn View Post
    The t20 bonus for me, as assination, is excellent. I might go away from it someday.

    Raidbots should be able to roughly valuate the bonuses with some comparisons.

    Im locked now in every slot except rings, neck, and relics.....BfA tier system is looking more and more attractive.
    Blizzard is obviously playing the long game, they are making set bonuses shit on purpose so that we will praise their removal.
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