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  1. #21
    you need more ram ASAP, 8 is low , even if u dont see ram getting close to 8 gb trust me it will improve performance, i changed from 8 gb to 16gb and game performance improved and ram usage got over 8gb (same process aside from wow and same zone of suramar), system will try to throtle ram usage or use page file with decrease performance a lot, so upgrade your ram. u may need to update mobo bios to support a new gpu (i didnt need to when upgraded to a rx 480 but i knew ppl that needed to)

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by azkhane View Post
    you need more ram ASAP, 8 is low , even if u dont see ram getting close to 8 gb trust me it will improve performance, i changed from 8 gb to 16gb and game performance improved and ram usage got over 8gb (same process aside from wow and same zone of suramar), system will try to throtle ram usage or use page file with decrease performance a lot, so upgrade your ram. u may need to update mobo bios to support a new gpu (i didnt need to when upgraded to a rx 480 but i knew ppl that needed to)
    ... dear god, not this again:

    https://www.techspot.com/article/104...ram/page3.html

    8GB is fine.

  3. #23
    "Those building a new system or simply looking to upgrade their memory capacity, the answer is simple: 8GB should be the minimum standard, while 16GB is desirable but not needed.", from the article. Sums it up pretty well.
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  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by CPUzer0 View Post
    Also majority of steam hardware survey data comes from china, probably pushes the average system specs down quite a bit.
    For one thing, the above is bullshit. It only shows data from your “market” unless you set it otherwise. Using the API you can also do just one country, or literally any other criteria it measures, including GPU (so you could exclude anything using an iGPU if you wanted).

    But no, not relying solely on Steam. Sales figures are also extremely telling. High refresh monitors are sub-1% of sales. Resolutions over 1080p are similarly low - less than 5%. High refresh monitors werent even affordable until about the last 15 to 18 momths, so to assume that even enthusiasts “likely” have a high refresh panel is absurd. I know its hard, but you have to remove yourself and your preconceptions when approaching these issues.

    From my rig:

    Coire i5 8600K, ASUS Z370i mITX motherboard, 16GB of G.Skill DDR4-3200 RGB RAM, GTX 1080Ti FTW3, 256GB SSD, 1TB 7200 RPM 2.5” drive, Phanteks Enthoo Shift, Corsair H80i, BeQuiet! Fans, etc...

    Youd “assume” i -must- have a high refresh monitor.

    Yeah, well... i dont. I have a nice ASUS 1080p IPS display. Ill replace it, probably in the next three to six months or so... but spending budget on the rig itself was always going to be more important than a monitor. I can, after all, use DSR to get more out of my current monitor somthe extra GPU muscle isnt entirely wasted.

    Fact is, a LOT of people dont have high refresh, gsync, or QHD monitors. The people posting here are NOT representative of the average. Were a small percentage of a small percentage to begin with. Younhave to keep that in mind, and not make unfounded leaps and “assumptions”.

  5. #25
    Im gonna go for 1070 ti, lager/faster ram and a bigger SSD as of right now. I will prob be able to get something else but I need to check the savings account first

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Kagthul View Post
    For one thing, the above is bullshit. It only shows data from your “market” unless you set it otherwise. Using the API you can also do just one country, or literally any other criteria it measures, including GPU (so you could exclude anything using an iGPU if you wanted).

    But no, not relying solely on Steam. Sales figures are also extremely telling. High refresh monitors are sub-1% of sales. Resolutions over 1080p are similarly low - less than 5%. High refresh monitors werent even affordable until about the last 15 to 18 momths, so to assume that even enthusiasts “likely” have a high refresh panel is absurd. I know its hard, but you have to remove yourself and your preconceptions when approaching these issues.

    From my rig:

    Coire i5 8600K, ASUS Z370i mITX motherboard, 16GB of G.Skill DDR4-3200 RGB RAM, GTX 1080Ti FTW3, 256GB SSD, 1TB 7200 RPM 2.5” drive, Phanteks Enthoo Shift, Corsair H80i, BeQuiet! Fans, etc...

    Youd “assume” i -must- have a high refresh monitor.

    Yeah, well... i dont. I have a nice ASUS 1080p IPS display. Ill replace it, probably in the next three to six months or so... but spending budget on the rig itself was always going to be more important than a monitor. I can, after all, use DSR to get more out of my current monitor somthe extra GPU muscle isnt entirely wasted.

    Fact is, a LOT of people dont have high refresh, gsync, or QHD monitors. The people posting here are NOT representative of the average. Were a small percentage of a small percentage to begin with. Younhave to keep that in mind, and not make unfounded leaps and “assumptions”.
    I wonder were you get that numbers but even if they are right in the end it still means that millions of user got high refreshrate or 1440p+ screens.
    Also i dont know what games you play so i would asume nothing about your monitor.
    Oh and i dont think its that smart to pay 800 bucks on a gpu with a 150 bucks monitor at home when you dont know if you can upgade it in the near future.
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  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Miyagie View Post
    I wonder were you get that numbers but even if they are right in the end it still means that millions of user got high refreshrate or 1440p+ screens.
    Also i dont know what games you play so i would asume nothing about your monitor.
    Oh and i dont think its that smart to pay 800 bugs on a gpu with a 150 bugs monitor at home when you dont know if you can upgade it in the near future.
    ..bugs? Honest question... English a second language? ‘Cause its a nightmare to try to read your posts a lot of the time, and ESL would explain a lot. Not a dig, just curious.

    Secondly... it was a 400$ monitor when i got it, and i only spent 650$ on the GPU (bought it when i did precisely because it was on sale so cheap.) However, if im on a budget and faced with two choices 1 - get a beefy GPU and make do with my current monitor or 2 - get a less powerful card that may not last as long and get a better monitor, I will always pick option 1 and would always reccomend option 1. There are options available to you in scenario 1, like usng DSR, that still allow you to benefit from the beefiier card even on your old monitor.

    As to where i get stastics, industry sites are great, as are Consumer Reports and Forbes (who often aggregate info from industry sites and shareholder reports), and Shareholder reports (which are available for any publicly traded company) if you can wade through them (i usually just wait for Forbes to do an analysis, reading thise things is like watching paint dry.).

    The Steam Hardware survey is also a good source of information if you sort the results sensibly (by country, or removing iGPU results, etc).

    If i make an assumption, it will always be to assume that the person fits the average, not assuming they are like us (enthusiasts). If they then say “nah, im more like you guys”, then it is easy to change up reccomendations.

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Kagthul View Post
    For one thing, the above is bullshit. It only shows data from your “market” unless you set it otherwise. Using the API you can also do just one country, or literally any other criteria it measures, including GPU (so you could exclude anything using an iGPU if you wanted).
    Then steam must think that europe is asia because 64% are using simplified chinese. That, or it is showing total stats. I don't see a "browse by region/country" filter anywhere. There probably is one but i can't find it without looking too much into it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kagthul View Post
    Sales figures are also extremely telling. High refresh monitors are sub-1% of sales. Resolutions over 1080p are similarly low - less than 5%.
    Sales figures are again irrelevant when majority of PC buyers are not PC gamers. You don't buy a 144Hz monitor for office use or get one with your bestbuy prebuilt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kagthul View Post
    to assume that even enthusiasts “likely” have a high refresh panel is absurd. I know its hard, but you have to remove yourself and your preconceptions when approaching these issues.
    I don't think i ever implied assuming anything. You merely assumed that i assumed. I know it's hard, but you have to remove your preconceptions when trying to have a reasonable conversation with people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kagthul View Post
    The people posting here are NOT representative of the average. Were a small percentage of a small percentage to begin with.
    Of course they/we aren't. But we can safely assume that OP is a PC gamer since the post literally lists what games OP plays on the system. Since we learned what kind of monitor the OP is currently using and that OP is willing to look for a new monitor it is safe to assume that OP might want a better monitor (by resolution and/or refresh rate). A better monitor is not a unreasonable suggestion since OP has a perfectly serviceable system after a GPU upgrade and a reasonable amount of budget leftover to spend on other areas.
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  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Kagthul View Post
    ..bugs? Honest question... English a second language? ‘Cause its a nightmare to try to read your posts a lot of the time, and ESL would explain a lot. Not a dig, just curious.


    ESL yipyip.

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by CPUzer0 View Post
    Then steam must think that europe is asia because 64% are using simplified chinese. That, or it is showing total stats. I don't see a "browse by region/country" filter anywhere. There probably is one but i can't find it without looking too much into it.


    Sales figures are again irrelevant when majority of PC buyers are not PC gamers. You don't buy a 144Hz monitor for office use or get one with your bestbuy prebuilt.


    I don't think i ever implied assuming anything. You merely assumed that i assumed. I know it's hard, but you have to remove your preconceptions when trying to have a reasonable conversation with people.


    Of course they/we aren't. But we can safely assume that OP is a PC gamer since the post literally lists what games OP plays on the system. Since we learned what kind of monitor the OP is currently using and that OP is willing to look for a new monitor it is safe to assume that OP might want a better monitor (by resolution and/or refresh rate). A better monitor is not a unreasonable suggestion since OP has a perfectly serviceable system after a GPU upgrade and a reasonable amount of budget leftover to spend on other areas.
    and... i was responding to more than one person, as Miyage DID assume such.

    I guess you're having a serious problem understanding that 90+% of even PC "Gamers" are not enthusiasts and are using pre-built systems they bought at Best Buy. Tough concept, i know. You know what those systems dont come with? High end monitors. Funny how the hardware surveys reflect that exactly. Weird. And quite honestly, i cant have a "reasonable discussion" with someone who is utterly ignorant of the topic and has no interest in correcting that ignorance.

    I know reading or understanding is hard for you. Ill just do us both a favor and put your ignorant crap on ignore. Anyone who listens to your uneducated crap gets what they deserve.

    Bye, kiddo.
    Last edited by Kagthul; 2017-12-18 at 02:30 AM.

  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Kagthul View Post
    ... dear god, not this again:

    https://www.techspot.com/article/104...ram/page3.html

    8GB is fine.
    They got a new article up, https://www.techspot.com/article/153...ing/page2.html

  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Denpepe View Post
    Ooh, good link. Still..8GB will do. In almost no case did 8GB result in unacceptable performance at 1080p. Given how expensive RAM is right now, sticking with 8 isnt going to kill anyone, and RAM prices should be dropping next year with more manufacturing capacity being added.

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    Get a new GPU and OC the CPU (if you haven't) since you have an unlocked chip, top-end tower cooler, more than capable power supply and motherboard.

    Only get more memory if you really need it.
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  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Kagthul View Post
    If i make an assumption, it will always be to assume that the person fits the average, not assuming they are like us (enthusiasts). If they then say “nah, im more like you guys”, then it is easy to change up reccomendations.
    Me too. But he spend alot on his old build. So i asumed that he is a enthusiast and since he got 900 bucks to blow and he playes shitty optimised games like PUGB he can buy a future proof GPU. Like the 1070 or 1070ti even if he just play on 1080p 60hz.

  15. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Denpepe View Post
    Nice to see this, but it still basically says the same thing. 4GB is enough for older stuff, so no point in upgrading if you have a system with 4 GB DDR3. 8GB is still the bare minimum and what I would recommend for budget builds. If building new, yeah, grab 16GB DDR4.

  16. #36
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lathais View Post
    Nice to see this, but it still basically says the same thing. 4GB is enough for older stuff, so no point in upgrading if you have a system with 4 GB DDR3. 8GB is still the bare minimum and what I would recommend for budget builds. If building new, yeah, grab 16GB DDR4.
    More, faster memory matters most when this subsystem is heavily utilised, this occurs in gaming when the texture buffer size of the GPU is exceeded. 1080p ultra typically requires 3-4gb of allocatable gddr in aaa titles, you exceed the buffer on a 3gb card and so would benefit most from going to dual channel 16gb. In real world gaming it would still run lumpy and you'd be far better off dialing back settings until you no longer exceed allocatable gddr, or buying a card with more memory. 8gb should probably be considered minimum now, whether I'd invest in a further 4gb ddr3 if i only had 4gb would probably be determined by the overall obsolescence of the platform it's going into. I would for sandy-haswell for budget gaming, but absolutely would not for fx.

    If you are gaming at higher resolutions (>1920x1080), high refresh or if occasional stutters worry you then get 16gb, given the rest of your system it's worth it to you.

    If you are wanting a 1080p utlra rig but are on a tight budget then opt for more gddr and less system memory, probably looking to buy a single 8gb dimm but with a minimum of 4gb gddr card ,with a view to add another 8gb dimm if changes demand it. The caveat is that this applies to intel platforms only, it's the only platform I have experience of single vs dual channel for games, mileage may well differ for Ryzen.

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