Young women on sexual harassment in the workplace

[Molis]

Is "You look quite nice today" considered harassment yet? I kind of stay out of current news but the last topic I read on this had someone filed for harassment because he called her a bitch! :P

It is only harassment if the nerdy quiet guy in the corner says it.

If the Justin Timberlake looking co-workers says it then it is flirting and wanted

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Some of the categories are a bit vague.

WTF is a wolf whistle

[Aphrel]

the latest episode of southpark did a hillarious parody of this.

[Allybeboba]

Due to lack of social skills in today’s society I would say.

Cheers

[Yvaelle]

Is this like the study that said that College campuses have a larger rape rate then the Congo?

I don't know the study to which you are referring, but more likely they said that they have a higher "Reported Rape Rate", which is probably true, but you left that out because it doesn't fit your narrative (ex. that college rape is a myth).

The key difference is colleges have places to report it to, whereas it likely doesn't get reported in the Congo proportionally as often as it occurs. The concern is that despite the rate at which it is reported in some colleges, it often goes unpunished by the college and not reported to the police due to the bizarre ability of American colleges to apparently handle rape themselves, which is baffling to me (ex. in Canada you call the cops, not campus security).

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Some of the categories are a bit vague.

Vagueness is likely in part due to it being a subjective topic to some degree. The appropriateness of a joke is subjective, etc.

Sexual assault is probably unwanted sexual touching, but it could be more clearly defined: since depending on your definition of assault all or almost none of these categories could be included.

[Captain N]

The Unwelcome Joke part is more an EEO Violation than actual sexual harassment. We just had five guys fired for making derogatory comments about homosexuals on Facebook and one didn't set his privacy settings to Friends Only and got the whole lot canned. But if the poll is considering it Sexual Harassment for the it's own sake then it's probably more common than we think -- people just don't report it or think they're friends with the people they're "joking" around with.

[Bapestar]

It's so hard for some dudes to admit, women generally face more sexual harassment.

[Kasierith]

Without full disclosure on their methodology beyond "online surveys" there really isn't anything meaningful to discuss. A quick look at Comres' history shows that previously they've done mass online surveys sent out to people matching their target demographic and then pooled the responses for those who were interested enough in the topic to respond to the survey. Which if they did with this as well, is going to significantly skew things in favor of the more emotionally charged response. I know that if a random survey popped up asking me to spend 15 minutes on a bunch of questions for a topic that doesn't directly concern me, I'm not going to waste my time on it.

Not to mention the usual sociology survey problems. No establishment of power, no controls on internal or external validity, results of statistics likely done by the study itself instead of performed by a third party with no vested interest, no discussion of who put the individual components of the survey together, no null hyp, nothing that would demonstrate that their interest going in was to set up a framework for a question and then let the data direct the results.

I'm not going to say that sexual harassment in the workplace isn't a problem, but these shitty surveys that could be put together by a high school student and only serve to grab clicks through outrageous statements do nothing but take advantage of the current public sentiment without actually contributing anything useful.

[pateuvasiliu]

I get that sexual harassment happens but I honestly doubt it happens as often as those polls would like you to believe. I bet lots of people lie in such polls, either due to being deluded into thinking they're a victim or so they can later victimise themselves and point out that one poll that said 6 in 5 women get harassed or some shit.

[SealMemeSix]

I say, I would be willing to engage in a contract with these women, to which I am the superior, to raise their social standing if they would kindly munch tea and crumpets fromst my arsehole.

[Kalis]

Vagueness is likely in part due to it being a subjective topic to some degree. The appropriateness of a joke is subjective, etc.

Sexual assault is probably unwanted sexual touching, but it could be more clearly defined: since depending on your definition of assault all or almost none of these categories could be included.

It was the ‘unwanted touching’ and ‘unwelcome’ categories that are a bit odd.

If the touching is sexual assault, then presumably it would come under the sexual assault category, so is that unwanted touching of an arm? A hand on a shoulder?

Half the jokes I hear, and use, are unwelcome because they’re crap - quantity not quality is my motto.

The whole thing seems to be conflating serious problems with trivial issues.

[AwkwardSquirtle]

It was the ‘unwanted touching’ and ‘unwelcome’ categories that are a bit odd.

If the touching is sexual assault, then presumably it would come under the sexual assault category, so is that unwanted touching of an arm? A hand on a shoulder?

Half the jokes I hear, and use, are unwelcome because they’re crap - quantity not quality is my motto.

The whole thing seems to be conflating serious problems with trivial issues.

This of course makes the assumption that the women participating in the survey are too stupid to distinguish between a bad joke and sexually explicit jokes at their expense (presumably the type of jokes the survey was asking about). It was a sexual harrassment survey. People aren't going to say yes because of that one bloke who just makes awful puns constantly.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Yep I agree it’s extremely common and many women agree to it being ok until whoever does it is ugly. But yes across the board it’s been bad. Not where I work because if I catch wind of that shit and it’s subsrantiated I fire their ass on the spot.

[Mormolyce]

Some of the categories are a bit vague.

Every one of those things listed could get you fired at all the jobs I've ever had. Yes, including inappropriate jokes.

Nobody should be in any doubt about those things.

[RyanEX]

Some of the categories are a bit vague.

A bit? You're being generous...but then again I shouldn't really expect anything better from the news outlet that put in quotas of how many of what demographic to hire.

These days harassment can mean anything from just looking at them (if you're not the person they want looking) to a simple compliment.

Not saying that actual harassment doesn't happen, but just like the boy that cried "Wolf" when you get enough false alarms you either stop taking them seriously or just stop showing up.

[Independent voter]

I'm guilty of the jokes thing, I'm probably on 2 dozen women's shit lists over jokes.

[endersblade]

Unwelcome jokes is sexual harassment? Having porn at work is sexual harassment? Now I've heard everything. People get way too fucking offended at everything, don't they? I wonder how many of these women that simply answered 'yes', without specifying what actually happened, did it either because they wanted to skew the outcome, or because what they thought was sexual harassment was 'some dude I don't like/think I'm ugly said I was cute! Ew!'.

[AwkwardSquirtle]

Oh, I'm glad you know that. Thanks for letting us all know.

I assume that most women in a workplace have some level of reading comprehension. If that's not the case then they probably shouldn't be there. Assuming otherwise is just an insult to the intelligence of every respondent.

[Aitch]

What is non-serious sexual assault? Funny sexual assault?

[Super Kami Dende]

They always say this, but never actually define what the Harassment is.

I mean I got in trouble at a previous Job because anytime I saw one of the Female Staff struggling to carry something I'd offer them a hand. 29/30 of them appreciated it. 1 of them was a a stereotypical Tumblr dyke who complained to the Manager that I was being sexist and it was Harassment to assume she needed help.

Funnily enough the FEMALE Manager just told me to steer clear of her because she was a bitch that complained about everything trivial.

about 2 months later she complained to the Manager again that I never helped her but helped everyone else (I would just walk straight past her regardless of if I saw her struggling or not) and I must've been doing so because I hated Lesbians or something. Even though I was super close to the other 2 Lesbian Women that worked there. Both of whom straight up told the Manager that the main bitch was just looking for attention.

[sarahtasher]

I know the studs struggle immensely to understand this problem, but a funny ''joke'' like ''UR UR UR WANT TO SEE MY BIG PENIS UP CLOSE'', in addition of not being that funny, is not what get you in trouble for sexual harassment.

It's a very intricate complexe, presumably one of those SJW lies to prevent you from getting laid.

Despite what your PUA gurus tells you, if a woman says politely she is not interested or ignore your joke, repeating the ''joke'' 50 times will not make her sleep with you. I know your sites tell you that ''no'' actually means ''yes'' if you just drone enough your pick up lines, but in the silly SJW word we live in, ''I'm getting a restraining order'' does not mean ''Oh ravage me with your throbbing rod of manhood, your virile stallion''

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They always say this, but never actually define what the Harassment is.

I mean I got in trouble at a previous Job because anytime I saw one of the Female Staff struggling to carry something I'd offer them a hand. 29/30 of them appreciated it. 1 of them was a a stereotypical Tumblr dyke who complained to the Manager that I was being sexist and it was Harassment to assume she needed help.

Funnily enough the FEMALE Manager just told me to steer clear of her because she was a bitch that complained about everything trivial.

about 2 months later she complained to the Manager again that I never helped her but helped everyone else (I would just walk straight past her regardless of if I saw her struggling or not) and I must've been doing so because I hated Lesbians or something. Even though I was super close to the other 2 Lesbian Women that worked there. Both of whom straight up told the Manager that the main bitch was just looking for attention.

I'm sure that calling your coworkers ''dykes'' have nothing to do with this. And btw, whatever the situation is, believing that anyone (women, man, or seven of nine) do something ''to get your attention'' sounds mightily paranoid.