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  1. #461
    I need 1 more token to max my dps trinket.. wanna bet amanthul will drop next week right when I dont need it anymore lol

  2. #462
    Quote Originally Posted by Piens View Post
    you do understand that no matter how often you kill it in a week, even 600 times, only first kill counts. I mean you can kill argus once on any diff. and if trinket drops - it drops, and if not, then good luck next week? ?? i mean, everyone knows that, except you it seems
    Lol nice man. Its not like I got 5-6 chars that kill him ONCE every week in normal OR heroic. Not at all.

    Talk about missing the target

  3. #463
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracodraco View Post
    This isn't actually true by the way. Not that you can trigger amanthuls even if there's only amanthuls, but the "every player with an active normal proc" thing.

    To demonstrate, take the mythic garothi fastest kill (picked that because I assume that raid has full pantheon trinkets).

    Here's a 30 second snip of the NORMAL pantheon trinket uptime, for the agility users from 30 seconds in, to 60 seconds in:
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...4675&end=72727


    Here's the same timeframe, but for the pantheon proc:
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...4675&end=72727

    You can see the first pantheon proc happens at 40.5 seconds. At that point in time, both the demon hunter, monk, and the rogue Skyze had a normal proc up (the enh lost his buff .4 seconds prior to the pantheon trigger).
    If what you said was true, then they should all 3 have triggered an instant pantheon proc at 40.6, but it's only the monk that does - both the DH and rogue that had it up at the correct time never triggered a pantheon proc in that timeframe.

    Conclusion: When 5x buffs are up at once, pantheon is triggered. However, it will pick a random pantheon-user to grant that buff, if multiple users are present (EG; 3 Agi, 1 int, 1 healer, 1 tank = random agi of the 3 gets empowered).


    Simply put, if you've got 8 agi 4 int 2 str dps in your raid, you're probably getting fuck all out of the pantheon proc as an agility user. Meanwhile, the 2 str dps will be fucking swimming in procs.
    Wanted to drop my little feelcraft regarding this.

    I had the normal trinket in my frost dk since a week, seen it proc the pantheon buff twice or thrice in every boss in Argus in hc pugs.

    I had the normal trinket in my dh since 2 months and rarely see the pantheon proc at all in many normal and hc pugs.

    Is there any magic number of agi/st/int dps raiders to make the pantheon proc at least once in every dps?

  4. #464
    Had a wrong pantheon trinket on my 6th kill (wrong loot spec). Today's the 12th week and I collected my 11th Blessing from Angus. :'(
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  5. #465
    Quote Originally Posted by Piens View Post
    you do understand that no matter how often you kill it in a week, even 600 times, only first kill counts. I mean you can kill argus once on any diff. and if trinket drops - it drops, and if not, then good luck next week? ?? i mean, everyone knows that, except you it seems
    You should read better.
    He said "50 times now overall", not 50 times on one Char.
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  6. #466
    Quote Originally Posted by UNHEILVOLL View Post
    Wanted to drop my little feelcraft regarding this.

    I had the normal trinket in my frost dk since a week, seen it proc the pantheon buff twice or thrice in every boss in Argus in hc pugs.

    I had the normal trinket in my dh since 2 months and rarely see the pantheon proc at all in many normal and hc pugs.

    Is there any magic number of agi/st/int dps raiders to make the pantheon proc at least once in every dps?
    The reason you're seeing it rarely on your DH is likely because there's far more popular agility classes than str classes. As already explained, if there's 2 str, 4 agi, 8 int DPS in a raid, str classes will get procs basically every time their normal pantheon is up, while agi will get it rarely, and int will be lucky to even see it. There's no "magical number" except for "try to have an even amount".

  7. #467
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracodraco View Post
    The reason you're seeing it rarely on your DH is likely because there's far more popular agility classes than str classes. As already explained, if there's 2 str, 4 agi, 8 int DPS in a raid, str classes will get procs basically every time their normal pantheon is up, while agi will get it rarely, and int will be lucky to even see it. There's no "magical number" except for "try to have an even amount".
    Good to be healer then? This is of course my experience but I do get alot more procs than on my dps-chars. We have 3-4 healers in a 18-22 man group. I would guess the thing you wrote applies to that as well?

  8. #468
    yep and thats why tank-trinket basically always procs.
    On this week's Aggramar I had 11 regular procs, 10 of them got empowered, thats the live of tanks right now. Since you almost always get a guranteed pantheon proc the trinket is actually better defensive wise than some people believed. Yes its still random, but if you're a good player you react to "random" procs and use your cd's accordingly.
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  9. #469
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNHEILVOLL View Post
    Is there any magic number of agi/st/int dps raiders to make the pantheon proc at least once in every dps?
    There was a nice topic on wowhead showing a few cases and proc uptime to have an idea.

    http://fr.wowhead.com/news=277048/ev...-excess-of-one

    Near the bottom there are the statistics showing that if there is one trinket you have in excess, the uptime drops down.

  10. #470
    Nice, thanks for the info.

  11. #471
    Seems silly the drop rate on this trinket is so low considering a lot players are done raiding Antorus already or will stop when their main trinket hits ilvl 1000 (which will be this tuesday).

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  12. #472
    Quote Originally Posted by Softbottom View Post
    Seems silly the drop rate on this trinket is so low considering a lot players are done raiding Antorus already or will stop when their main trinket hits ilvl 1000 (which will be this tuesday).
    Agree, they definitely feel a lot less meaningful than previous expansion's Raid 'Legendaries' - as far as the impact on progression and clearing the raid.

  13. #473
    Hopefully there will be something that boosts its drop rate or a something something when we get our trinks to 1000.

  14. #474
    I would have less of a problem with the drop rate if the raid could decide where it goes. Since the likelihood is high that it goes on someone that wont use it the super low drop rate is really retarded.

  15. #475
    Quote Originally Posted by dark666105 View Post
    I would have less of a problem with the drop rate if the raid could decide where it goes. Since the likelihood is high that it goes on someone that wont use it the super low drop rate is really retarded.
    Who cares if you can decide where it does or doesn't go at this point? It's no longer going to have any meaningful impact on progression at all.

    The best part about it, is high end raiders basically being trolled by blizzard when they see some shit alt with 2 Argus kills and the trinket. That should have provided many good laughs at this point, no reason to still be mad about it. It's pretty much irrelevant at this point. It's not like it's a mount or weapon that can be a status symbol, just some trinket with no graphic, completely random and can even drop off normal, and at best is a minor dps upgrade for select classes.

    So nah, doesn't mean crap that you can't assign it.
    Last edited by Tech614; 2018-02-16 at 08:59 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracodraco View Post
    This isn't actually true by the way. Not that you can trigger amanthuls even if there's only amanthuls, but the "every player with an active normal proc" thing.

    To demonstrate, take the mythic garothi fastest kill (picked that because I assume that raid has full pantheon trinkets).

    Here's a 30 second snip of the NORMAL pantheon trinket uptime, for the agility users from 30 seconds in, to 60 seconds in:
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...4675&end=72727


    Here's the same timeframe, but for the pantheon proc:
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...4675&end=72727

    You can see the first pantheon proc happens at 40.5 seconds. At that point in time, both the demon hunter, monk, and the rogue Skyze had a normal proc up (the enh lost his buff .4 seconds prior to the pantheon trigger).
    If what you said was true, then they should all 3 have triggered an instant pantheon proc at 40.6, but it's only the monk that does - both the DH and rogue that had it up at the correct time never triggered a pantheon proc in that timeframe.

    Conclusion: When 5x buffs are up at once, pantheon is triggered. However, it will pick a random pantheon-user to grant that buff, if multiple users are present (EG; 3 Agi, 1 int, 1 healer, 1 tank = random agi of the 3 gets empowered).


    Simply put, if you've got 8 agi 4 int 2 str dps in your raid, you're probably getting fuck all out of the pantheon proc as an agility user. Meanwhile, the 2 str dps will be fucking swimming in procs.
    It might be random, but it would appear that the player with the first proc gets the pantheon proc. On the first pantheon proc, it is the monk who had the normal proc the longest and he is the one getting the pantheon proc. On the second pantheon proc, it is the shaman getting it and again he was the one having the normal proc the longest.

    It is a very limited sample size so it is just a guess.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Never mind, at 2:32.126 the shaman gets the pantheon proc even though the monk had the normal proc for longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    Who cares if you can decide where it does or doesn't go at this point? It's no longer going to have any meaningful impact on progression at all.

    The best part about it, is high end raiders basically being trolled by blizzard when they see some shit alt with 2 Argus kills and the trinket. That should have provided many good laughs at this point, no reason to still be mad about it. It's pretty much irrelevant at this point. It's not like it's a mount or weapon that can be a status symbol, just some trinket with no graphic, completely random and can even drop off normal, and at best is a minor dps upgrade for select classes.

    So nah, doesn't mean crap that you can't assign it.
    It's dissapointing how they handled it. Some people thought that ATV or just the scaling trinket would serve as self-nerfing mechanism to the instance. It might be true to an extent, but neither of those items are powerful enough to matter. Even basic legendary rings in WoD allowed raids to bypass certain mechanics, and fully upgraded ones were a gigantic performance boost. Trinkets don't even come close and have terrible drop rates. It's laughable that you might get the "super proc" once or twice per fight - almost as if it turned you into a meter destroying god... except it's a miniscule improvement over standard trinket.

  18. #478
    Yesterday, two guys were uber lucky. None in our guild had Amanthul before. And then, in our second group:
    https://i.imgur.com/p7ePQxe.png

    Two persons from single boss! This happened on Draenor-EU.
    @OP, if you are interested in details (who, which char etc), PM me.

  19. #479
    With the current drop rate there's around 2% chance that one char in a 20man group gets Aman'thul's from a single kill. So yeah it's very rare but possible to see 2 drop at the same time.

    I've parsed data for beginning of week 12 and found zero Aman'thul drops from 2296 kills, however the sample size is getting so small that I now combined weeks 9-12 to get better accuracy. I could try to track more characters next week.

    => Weeks 9-12: 10872 kills - 7 drops - Drop rate: 0.064% (error margin 0.019% - 0.17%)

    I've also noticed now that the drop rate for off-spec Pantheon trinkets seem to be going up slightly. Getting exact numbers would be quite complicated but as a Rough estimate I'd guess the off-spec drop rate starts around 5-8% and at some point starts to increase at 15-30% rate weekly.

  20. #480
    Clearly the drop rate is going to skyrocket once people start having 1000 ilvl epic versions next week. This is the secret trigger blizzard added to the item.

    /tinfoilhat

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