1. Not a rolling dot
2. With qpala the CD of kc is lower than the duration of the dot. It becomes worth it to swap targets between kc
With high crit and haste and qpala there is almost zero down time. I wouldn't say the spec becomes hard to play. But it is really high APM
Last edited by Shuken; 2018-01-16 at 09:12 PM.
Well, there's gear as well, you can't assume that everyone is equally geared therefore everyone makes the same dps. Besides, my guess is that top hardcore players who really care about doing the upper max dps possible are not playing BM. I get high parses all the time with little effort and I'm pretty happy with my dps as BM overall.
As for AoE, most BM hunters aren't even trying. Look at the top parses on Mythic Antoran High Command. Most of them are using single-target talents like Way of the Cobra and some even use Killer Cobra, both talents which are 100% useless on AoE, plus they are all wearing Tier 20 4-piece which is also useless for cleave. So of course the average parse of that build sucks. They aren't even trying.
Now of course BM is relatively weak on cleave, but BM still does well enough AoE to kill any boss adds on mythic. I would argue some of the top cleaver specs should be nerfed instead.
Since everyone else is so good at doing aoe compared to a BM hunter and the adds run away all the time, doing more than a single Multishot every time adds spawn is net dps loss. Better for me to focus the boss down and shorten the fight than waste time trying to do dmg to the adds. Noticed the same trend on most fights with adds, our AOE is so bad and takes away too much from our single target dps that it isnt really worth it.
They could atleast buff beastcleave with an extra yard or 2 and some more dmg or just buff aspect of the wild. Both would help alot. They gave us a few% buff with the NLC since everyone benefited more from the extra weapon ilvls than us. Now that we have 30 ilvl higher relics the same problem occurs again but no compensation buff this time around.
Last edited by mmoc37c703da14; 2018-01-17 at 10:08 AM.
You're clearly exaggerating at multishotting just once per pack. As long as more than one add is alive, cleaving will increase your dps. Even more so if you use a proper cleaving build. And mythic adds don't die in 4 seconds, otherwise nobody would be pulling big numbers. The adds running away is an issue for most classes, not just BM. Obviously you time your multishot when they run back in.
I know that trying to cleave more when we're not a strong cleaving class can be considered padding, and not necessarily beneficial for progress. But if every other class is padding that just makes our dps look weaker than it really is.
I do think Beast Cleave needs a bit of a buff. The only thing that increases Beast Cleave power is Furious Swipes, but it's not reasonable to wear Relics with cleaving traits because you can't swap relics or Crucible traits. Personally, I think the best way to improve BM's cleave is to lower the focus cost of Multishot, but it doesn't seem like Blizzard intends to do any class balancing in Legion anymore.
Did they secretly buff Cobra Commander?
Used to be ~2% of my dps, now its ~5%.
Last edited by andreasels; 2018-01-19 at 10:16 PM.
BM hunters are to the end of Legion as Survival hunters were to the end of WoD
Actually I'm happy with my numbers:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/repo...qtFWpRTcwoyKwN
I wouldn't be. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/repo...Tszt8KTyeKZ4pF
That's my warlock at 964 equipped vs your bm hunter at 970, and ilevel actually scales lock gear drastically. It's funny how perspective helps.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...unt&dataset=99
At 99th percentile(heroic), BM is in the bottom 3 specs on every single boss fight in Antorus. Dead last in 5 of them.
people still arguing that BM is not the easiest class period
Any light at the end of the tunnel? Or are we all waiting for BfA to have a decent experience now?
I wouldn't assume that BfA is going to have changes that will cater to your liking. If you don't like how BM plays right now, you should seriously consider rerolling (or just switching specs). The only thing we know right now is there are some talent changes to make Dire Frenzy baseline and Stomp an AoE talent that works without Dire Beast, plus a few new talents that don't really change the rotation at all.
As for balancing, Blizzard has been silent about it. I think they are relatively pleased with the current state of balance and have no intention of buffing BM. If anything, we're likely intentionally weaker. And that might well continue into BfA.