She started off as a Psychologist and she didn’t meet Joker in some club random. Joker existed well before she came along and his ass as in Arkham because he was too dangerous to be let out.
She made the choice to go in being educated and vetted before. She is totally responsible for him not the other way around just as everything that happened after that.
She isn’t a victim because she knew what to expect and near as I can tell always has. Sane people do insane things because they want to not because not because they can’t or don’t know. This is a matter of how the brain is developed.
Joker is the victim and everything that happens to her and him is her fault, because joker isn’t capable of sanity she is period.
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No she has no moral compass at all. She chooses her own reality and she is perfectly sane while doing so. She simply an irredeemable monster with a pleasant smile that like any other weapon she uses to kill and torture others by choice.
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No she doesn’t give a shit about him which is why she enables him. She helped him destroy his life as she destroys hers. That’s not love. Love is an act of self sacrifice and I don’t mean hurting herself which she enjoys. If she cared about joker she would put his well being above hers and left him in Arkham and tried to help him in the way he needed. Not play dress up and indulge herself.
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Yes a situation she brought about herself playing with joker something she knew was the way he is. Her crocodile tears aren’t a result of her being hurt.
Something even Batman figures out with her.
They are a result of manipulation it’s an evolved predatory act.
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I know I’m right and I can articulate and express a clear line for why. As opposed to your “aww see what happened to her.”
Yes I see all the things she has done to herself it’s her M.O along with murder and torture and playing with jokers mind.
What you have is some warped sense and fantasy reasons for why she is a victim. She isn’t she is just a sane evil monster that needs a bullet in the head.
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Milli Vanilli, Bigger than Elvis
She's just cringey more than anything
You're getting exactly what you deserve.
“The biggest communication problem is we do not listen to understand. We listen to reply,” Stephen Covey.
you know shes a comic character right? she morphs to fit the story shes not a real person with real motives or a M.O you can pretend shes really and that all this crap is true but in the end shes not real and she will always morph to the story of the comic every thing you have stated isn't a thing in most of the comics so it flat out cant ever be true.
She's absolutely a villain. Her alignment though is what makes her interesting to people. She isn't Chaotic Neutral, she is just Chaotic. She is committed wholesale to chaos, like two-face without a coin to flip. She acts off whatever seems fun at the time, she is entirely without moral code or logic.
This makes her character enchanting because she is endlessly entertaining - she can literally do anything, at any moment, without being out of character. Neutral characters are usually to some degree committed to neutrality, Harley definitely is not, she's the full spectrum simultaneously.
In this way, Harley is capable of being worse than the Joker - Harley could blow up the universe and you could comfortably respond, "that's so Harley!", the Joker could not, would not. The Joker is a reflection of Batman first and foremost, a black mirror, in that sense the Joker is committed to a balance or at least a melody of good and evil. Harley doesn't comprehend good, or evil. That's the difference. Joker has a keen understanding of societies moral compass, and Batman's - that's what allows him to be so insightful - and why his actions cut at Batman's identity like no other villain: they are intentional and deliberate, even when he pretends otherwise.
Joker appeals to Chaos as the truest reality while still posssessing a moral compass, even if his is inverted ( either by psychopathy or his obsession with being Batmans opposite). Harley doesn't have a good/evil spectrum to work with: the girl just wants to have fun.