Deadly Poison Snapshots - Assassin Highest simming DPS Spec

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https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/dpgate



Right now, Deadly Poison Snapshots the effect of Nightstalker. Meaning that if you open with shadowstep and then use "Poisoned Knife" out of stealth, it will deal 50% more damage for the rest of the fight if you play the FoK build.

This will get nerfed and as result, Rogue will lose its only good damage specc right now, so prepare to reroll

[ymirsson]

prepare to reroll

Because i can't play a bugged spec? Why are you still here? Shouldn't you have rerolled already, so you can spout your flawed rhetorics in a different class forum?

[Deleted]

Because i can't play a bugged spec? Why are you still here? Shouldn't you have rerolled already, so you can spout your flawed rhetorics in a different class forum?

t. heroic babby

[ymirsson]

t. heroic babby

What exactly are you trying to say? Because i honestly can't make sense of your post.

[Twix]

Is blizz going to fix this bug? we're on par with fury warrior now.. dont wanna spend time getting my sin artifact up to 75 just to see it get nerfed

[ymirsson]

Nobody knows, but i'd think they will fix it.

[elfporn]

What exactly are you trying to say? Because i honestly can't make sense of your post.

I think he's trying to say "BECAUSE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME, YOU'RE A HEROIC RUNNING NOOB WHO DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO PLAY ROGUE"

This dude needs to go.

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Nobody knows, but i'd think they will fix it.

PK is strong without the bug, esp for execute phase - mastery and crit, with master alch and pk relics, are quickly getting to that break point where fok will always be better, even without the bug.

[ymirsson]

PK is strong without the bug, esp for execute phase - mastery and crit, with master alch and pk relics, are quickly getting to that break point where fok will always be better, even without the bug.

I expect them to "fix" FoK in general so you don't use it unless in AE scenarios.

[RobertMugabe]

OP stop crying. You've been starting the same topics over and over. Can't you just stick to 1 thread where you're crying about sims and that we all should reroll?

Anyways, nothing to discuss here (as there are multiple other threads from you about how bad rogues are and that we should reroll).

[glowpipe]

People praising the rogue as the new super dps now and op as shit. Its barely doing more dmg than other classes and its currently using a bug/exploit that blizzard will patch shortly. Good times.

[Twix]

People praising the rogue as the new super dps now and op as shit. Its barely doing more dmg than other classes and its currently using a bug/exploit that blizzard will patch shortly. Good times.

yah its on par with fury warrior but dont see people crying about warrior dps.. I swear rogues are the most hated class in wow

[Deleted]

To make this thread somewhat understandable:

1st of all Nightstalker snapshotting DP is nothing unintentional.
Nightstalker snapshots Rupture also and it is/was part of the rotation.
The bug is that the 50% damage amp will get carried over if you overwrite the dot. So as long as DP remains on the Target it is 50% stronger.
If it drops or you need to switch targets you can recreate this with vanish.

2nd Poison Knives Makes FoK a stronger combo builder with 1 additional relic trait or bracers during execute (without the DP bug).

IF you combine the DP bug with the unintentional use of FoK as your main combo builder it gets out of hands. PK trait gets stronger due to the 50% more damage from the Bug and therefore makes FoK always the stronger combo builder.

The main change in rotation is that you use Poison Knife (the throw attack) to apply DP and get the snapshotting and use FoK instead of Mutilate as your combo builder.

As always the bugs are documented on https://github.com/Ravenholdt-TC/Rogue/projects/1 and visible in RH discord.
If you want to sim the bug for yourself, informations on that are on https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/dpgate.

[glowpipe]

yah its on par with fury warrior but dont see people crying about warrior dps.. I swear rogues are the most hated class in wow

I think the main problem is that whenever someone say that the rogue dmg is crap they always get bombarded with "if it was so crap why did method bring 3" and other variations of the same. They are brought as a support. Not as a dps. Soaking shit and cheesing mechanics is why they are brought. Not dmg.

[Master Guns]

It's a glitch though, so, you'd be mad if ANY other class had or has something like this. And, if memory serves, and it does, it's happened many times, and every other class but that class bitched and moaned about it, just like people are doing now.

History repeats itself, yet people never seem to learn.

[Deleted]

you can argue that its no more buggy than ferals bleed snapshotting.
is it a unintentional bug? or just really clever thinking from brilliant theorycrafters?
it is very strong, but as others mentioned, not far above the other top simmed specs.
and keep in mind that its not possible to keep the empowered poison up 100% on all bosses.

robot - we loose the poison during cannon phases (can reapply with vanish PK)
dogs - 100% uptime possible even on 2 targets if you can manage to keep them together
high command - we loose it when boss swap, we can choose to reapply single target on bosses or envenom->vanish->FoK with 80% chance to apply on each target (50% w/o envenom buff).
portal keeper - ask our raidlleader to stay down on boss, then we can have 100% uptime, we loose it if on portal duty.
eonar - close to no uptime.
bridge boss - we most likely loose it during run phase, unless you get to the other side really fast! otherwise reapply with vanish.
kin'garoth - we loose it on add phase, can choose to reapply on adds or on boss after phase.
varimathras - 100% woo!
coven - will loose it at some point, but also possible to apply it on 2 targets during a good chunk of the encounter.
aggramar - will loose it during add phase, reapply after phase.
argus - close to 100% uptime, and even further empowered on the add with nature debuff.

welp! i guess its possible to keep it up close to 100% on most fights, thx to vanish->pk.
by doing so we sacrifice a bit of vanish burst dmg, with crit shoulders, but i guess its worth it in most cases.
really interesting gameplay imo, very strong, close to OP. feelsgoodman to be top dawg after being soaking bitches most of the expac, especially during, tomb of soakgeras.
i can only cross my fingers it wont get nerfed/fixed.

[Deleted]

you can argue that its no more buggy than ferals bleed snapshotting.
is it a unintentional bug? or just really clever thinking from brilliant theorycrafters?
it is very strong, but as others mentioned, not far above the other top simmed specs.
and keep in mind that its not possible to keep the empowered poison up 100% on all bosses.

robot - we loose the poison during cannon phases (can reapply with vanish PK)
dogs - 100% uptime possible even on 2 targets if you can manage to keep them together
high command - we loose it when boss swap, we can choose to reapply single target on bosses or envenom->vanish->FoK with 80% chance to apply on each target (50% w/o envenom buff).
portal keeper - ask our raidlleader to stay down on boss, then we can have 100% uptime, we loose it if on portal duty.
eonar - close to no uptime.
bridge boss - we most likely loose it during run phase, unless you get to the other side really fast! otherwise reapply with vanish.
kin'garoth - we loose it on add phase, can choose to reapply on adds or on boss after phase.
varimathras - 100% woo!
coven - will loose it at some point, but also possible to apply it on 2 targets during a good chunk of the encounter.
aggramar - will loose it during add phase, reapply after phase.
argus - close to 100% uptime, and even further empowered on the add with nature debuff.

welp! i guess its possible to keep it up close to 100% on most fights, thx to vanish->pk.
by doing so we sacrifice a bit of vanish burst dmg, with crit shoulders, but i guess its worth it in most cases.
really interesting gameplay imo, very strong, close to OP. feelsgoodman to be top dawg after being soaking bitches most of the expac, especially during, tomb of soakgeras.
i can only cross my fingers it wont get nerfed/fixed.

it prolly will tho, i am pretty sure they wont like us using FoK on ST too. People will also defend that nerf because reasons.

[Motokid600]

To make this thread somewhat understandable:

1st of all Nightstalker snapshotting DP is nothing unintentional.
Nightstalker snapshots Rupture also and it is/was part of the rotation.
The bug is that the 50% damage amp will get carried over if you overwrite the dot. So as long as DP remains on the Target it is 50% stronger.
If it drops or you need to switch targets you can recreate this with vanish.

2nd Makes FoK a stronger combo builder with 1 additional relic trait or bracers during execute (without the DP bug).

IF you combine the DP bug with the unintentional use of FoK as your main combo builder it gets out of hands. PK trait gets stronger due to the 50% more damage from the Bug and therefore makes FoK always the stronger combo builder.

The main change in rotation is that you use Poison Knife (the throw attack) to apply DP and get the snapshotting and use FoK instead of Mutilate as your combo builder.

As always the bugs are documented on and visible in RH discord.
If you want to sim the bug for yourself, informations on that are on .

The FoK rotation has done alot of good for me on just 178% mastery and one PK relic. All Ive pretty much done is replace FoK with Mut. Now I already open up with a PK throw after applying Garrote/trink/pot. ( garrote>pot>PK>FoK>Vanish>Rupture>Fok>Env. ) Is there a better way to work PK into the FoK rotation?

[Deleted]

it prolly will tho, i am pretty sure they wont like us using FoK on ST too. People will also defend that nerf because reasons.

untintentional gameplay may be the best argument for a fix, but then again, its not the first time that we see a spec with aoe abilities being part of single target rotations.
second best argument, is that its too strong, but we only sim 0,0176% higher than fury.

a potential nerf could be nerfing nightstalker buff down from 50 to 45% or whatever seems fit.

[Adalwolf]

it prolly will tho, i am pretty sure they wont like us using FoK on ST too. People will also defend that nerf because reasons.

I will defend that nerf, because it's bad design and it's not how the spec is supposed to be played. But I also will defend that Blizzard shouldn't just nerf PK, or nerf its interaction with the T21, because I like to have AoE damage for the 1st time since legion launched. I think they should fix the Nightstalker + Deadly Poison bug, then buff Mutilate to make it better than FoK'ing ST, either by decreasing its energy cost, increasing its damage or its critical chance (or maybe all three at the same time).

[Naiattavain]

jan 5 hotfixes interesting.