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Mid tier raids are always harder than end tier raids when they're both current.
Ulduar was harder than ICC sans heroic LK
Firelands was harder than DS
ToT was harder than SoO.
Plus mythic ToS was ridiculously overturned. Antorus difficulty feels just right.
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2017-12-30, 09:55 PM #1Brewmaster
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Why are people shocked antorus is easier than tos?
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2017-12-30, 09:58 PM #2Dreadlord
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Vanilla, wod and TBC werent like that
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2017-12-30, 09:59 PM #3Brewmaster
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WoD didn't have a mid tier raid so it doesn't count
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2017-12-30, 11:48 PM #4The Insane
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WoW's difficulty on the bleeding edge of content has always been a bit schizophrenic. Balance is not and never has been Blizzard's strong suit. Anyway, people declaring something easy because a couple thousand of the best players on the planet killed a boss sooner than they did last raid tier always gives me a chuckle.
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2017-12-30, 11:53 PM #5I am Murloc!
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As a scrubknight pug heroic raider: this end raid was easier than Emerald Nightmare. Shits so easy a norm/lfr raider could do it blindfolded. People saying it’s hard are either in MYTHIC, or just plain suck at the game.
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2017-12-31, 12:17 AM #6Scarab Lord
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Its not so much that it is really easy, it is just Really really boring. The raiding in Legion has been some of the worst , IMHO, that the game has ever seen. It is really very very Meh
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2017-12-31, 12:27 AM #7The Lightbringer
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lul, maybe is because i never pugged EN or tos at the start, but heroic aggramar is so cancerous to pug compared to all other legion bosses that is impossibile that a normal raider can do it blindfolded Originally Posted by dacoolist
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2017-12-31, 12:34 AM #8Brewmaster
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Holy hyperbole batman. Originally Posted by dacoolist
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2017-12-31, 01:02 AM #9The Patient
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Today I was shocked that LFR could really wipe repeatedly at Hasabel.
I guess the Coven of Shivarra and Argus will have a field day soon.
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2017-12-31, 02:52 AM #10Brewmaster
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Protip: only do LFR on Tuesday and Wednesday. Late week lfr is aids Originally Posted by AnonEntity
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2017-12-31, 04:45 AM #11Warchief
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Ulduar is the last raid Blizz ever made .. Meaning its the most fun raid instance they designed .. If you agree or don't agree, I'm sure you also think Ulduar was a great design and really fun? The question is what made it so much fun over even current content?
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2017-12-31, 07:15 PM #12Brewmaster
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Thats not what this topic is about... Originally Posted by Cempa
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2018-01-01, 04:09 AM #13The Unstoppable Force
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Ulduar was the least successful raid of Wrath. There's a reason they rushed out the next tier so quickly. Originally Posted by Cempa
"There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite.
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"The bit about hardcore players not always caring about the long term interests of the game is spot on." -- Ghostcrawler
"Do you want a game with no casuals so about 500 players?"
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2018-01-01, 04:11 AM #14Dreadlord
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How are you defining success? Originally Posted by Osmeric
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2018-01-01, 04:12 AM #15The Unstoppable Force
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As the devs do: participation. Originally Posted by Swizzington
"There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite." -- Ghostcrawler
"The bit about hardcore players not always caring about the long term interests of the game is spot on." -- Ghostcrawler
"Do you want a game with no casuals so about 500 players?"
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2018-01-01, 04:14 AM #16Dreadlord
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Hmm, I don't remember Ulduar's participation being significantly lower than other raids in Wotlk, and I see no reason why it would. Got any numbers? Originally Posted by Osmeric
What I do remember is that they said they messed up their timing, and that releasing ToC so soon after Ulduar was a mistake.
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2018-01-01, 04:19 AM #17Herald of the Titans
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Thematically, shouldn't the last raid of an expac be the hardest? Final boss, and all that.
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2018-01-01, 04:22 AM #18The Unstoppable Force
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Greg Street quotes: Originally Posted by Swizzington
https://twitter.com/OccupyGStreet/st...26343815061504
https://twitter.com/OccupyGStreet/st...25539268677632Ulduar was a high-water mark in many ways. Participation was low and the "button" hard modes weren't sustainable long term.
Players were really spread out. Some couldn't beat the first boss and others were done.
Ulduar was popular for the tiny percent of players who saw it. Flex mode normal would have helped it a ton."There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite." -- Ghostcrawler
"The bit about hardcore players not always caring about the long term interests of the game is spot on." -- Ghostcrawler
"Do you want a game with no casuals so about 500 players?"
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2018-01-01, 04:22 AM #19Scarab Lord
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I don't know about participation, but Ulduar had a huge amount of effort put into it. The clever hard modes were far more interesting than turning up a difficulty dial and the encounters were fantastic. The art design and music was very, very good.
As someone who raided it I think it was the best raid ever made.
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2018-01-01, 04:28 AM #20Dreadlord
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His comment about some people being stuck on the first boss while others were done is interesting. Perhaps the first boss being a long winded vehicle thing turned some people off? That's the only part about it that would explain lower participation. Not like there was an attunement or anything. And the first few bosses were easy. Idk, I did ulduar when it was current and loved it. Originally Posted by Osmeric
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