Originally Posted by
Polarthief
Okay so I'm not happy about this nerf, but wow, doomsaying much?
We'll still be a top tier AoE, just we lost a solid 5%+ DPS or so from MFing a ton of adds.
Fun is subjective. You can't tell others what is/isn't fun TO THEM.
If you're not spamming Moonfire, you're spamming SW. You're still doing the other spells (keeping up Sunfire, Starfalling, Moon spells), so I don't see a difference in spamming MF over SW. The only difference is it's instant (so mobile) instead of a cast time. Seriously, how it's any more/less fun than spamming SW is beyond me. Also idk why you're talking about Lunar Strike; you never cast that if you don't Starsurge, and isn't Starfall stronger on 2+ targets? Not gonna Starsurge there (unless you're using OI).
I mean, maybe make SW/LS worth actually casting as spells might help the situation. Unempowered SW/LS are absolute jokes. LS is never used outside of Empowerment, mostly due to the horribly short radius unless you know for a fact it'll hit multiple things (I personally don't bother with it out of empowerments). Maybe give us a better trait to replace W&W that makes LSing worth a damn out of emps/Owlkin Frenzies. Maybe don't design traits and set bonuses that further encourage this kind of playstyle and give us more engaging talents/traits/set bonuses/abilities. Maybe throw us a bone somewhere, anywhere.
This is an inherent problem with Moonkin overall and it's partially why I'm very likely to be class changing come 8.0 unless huge improvements are made. The base rotation is very simple for both ST and AoE (practically the same thing, change your spender, remove LS from rotation for AoE), talents/traits/set bonuses haven't really helped, so yeah, it's been a problem. People just wanted something different, which is fun for them. Idk that's my take on all this.
TL;DR:
- Fun is subjective. Don't tell people what they find fun. Classic WoW is coming despite devs saying "you don't want that".
- The "normal" rotation for AoE (2+) is literally the same, except you spam SW instead of MF.
- Problem with Moonkin is we've barely changed our rotation throughout Legion. Only real change was with ED and people don't use it anymore due to 2P T20 being inherently better.
- Talents don't help when the different rotations (mostly just FoE) are worse than not using them.
- Nerf was unwarranted towards people who were doing the "correct" AoE rotation. Also hurts mobile ST damage which we were middle or worse of the pack. This also obliterates any and all chances Moonkins had of surviving 1v1 wPvP ganks and duels (minor point but still worth pointing out).