This is how sad award shows are now... Look at the faces of the men there.

[Happy Shoplifter]

Now you are just completely misinterpreting what I am saying because your blinded by your misogyny.

Trolling is fun sometimes, I know, we all do it.

[Swizzington]

It's easy to say, "well women should make good movies then!!" but the thing is, big studios in Hollywood simply do not give big directing jobs to women. They consider it a risk not worth taking. It's dominated by a small group of people who all know each other and breaking into that ring is very difficult. It's an old boys club, essentially.

Now, I'm not some bleeding heart feminist, and I often roll my eyes when I hear "but the wage gap hurr durr!" but actually, in the case of the film industry, it really is much harder for a woman to succeed.

[Happy Shoplifter]

Source on what? That women who want to direct exist? That female directors exist? That nearly all block busters are directed by men?

That plenty of women want to direct but are inhibited from doing so.

[maomoa]

Oh, you poor oppressed males!

You're sad because life is tough for everyone, yet you're wasting your time crying about this? This is what a man is these days? "Boo Hoo. Some celeb was mean to men."

The best generation is upon us!

[msdos]

Oh, you poor oppressed males!

You're sad because life is tough for everyone, yet you're wasting your time crying about this? This is what a man is these days? "Boo Hoo. Some celeb was mean to men."

The best generation is upon us!

I love how masculinity is simultaneously questioned and attacked for existing. I love the impossible catch 22.

[Krigaren]

How is that misogyny? He didn't say women CAN'T direct. He said maybe women don't want to direct.

Women aren't incapable of being construction workers, or truck drivers, or sewer cleaners, or welders, or farm hands, or firefighters. Yet people like you will say, "maybe they don't want to do those things!" while completely ignoring the fact that young girls are taught that those are jobs for boys.

Oh, that's "conspiracy thinking", right? Look back 20 years and try to find me examples of toy ads where girls are playing with Tonka trucks, toy power tools, dressed up like a firefighter? Or ads where boys are playing with Barbies, toy baby dolls, or using a hairdresser set? When boys and girls play "business", who is the boss and who is the secretary?

Societal norms have changed a lot, and there's much more hope for children growing up in a - thankfully - now more progressive society, but we are also still living within a societal framework with roots that go back to the 1950s.

When you have an industry, like Hollywood, with people who have been around since a time when women weren't socially allowed to wear pants in public, where sexual harassment was perfectly acceptable (note: Weinstein), and where women were expected to take roles supporting males, how can you be so obtuse to think that this is all just some SJW make-believe fever dream?

[Daelak]

I mean you can think that. I'll even give you its partially true. But to say there is no biological difference baked in is just ridiculous. That doesn't mean we should all just fit into our gender roles, it just means we're going to find some disparity out there and shouldn't assume automatically there are evil people out there keeping it that way... as you suggest.

There are a ton of women nurses. Not many males. Guys aren't as well wired for that job. That doesn't mean there aren't male nurses, and it doesn't mean they can't be good at it. It's just how the numbers play out. No evil conspiracy.

There isn't some biologically baked-in difference that makes women more interested in cosmetology yet less interested in truck driving or construction. They are human beings, homo sapiens.

I never said anything about "evil people", that's your own ignorance as to why society acts in the way it does. The disparity most certainly exists because males for centuries have conditioned their progeny into the image they want to see society in.

Nursing is a great example of how the conditioning is played out. Women are restricted by and large to nursing, yet their numbers dwindle when you reach doctoral specializations. I guess they aren't wired for the arduous man-learning it takes to become a doctor.

There's no evil or good, just insecurities and the unilateral voice males have had in our society.

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Conspiracy theories are not allowed on this forum.

Great input to the conversation.

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You're simplifying the combat role thing and smashing it into your argument, it's actually pretty pathetic.

Not really. Misogynists and racists have been using the same arguments against blacks and women for centuries.

[downnola]

It's actually amazing that anyone would argue that "women just need to direct better movies" after the whole Weinstein fiasco that's dominated the news. Since when has merit ever mattered when it comes to producing movies? Hollywood is notoriously sexist and oligarchic and always has been.

[Daelak]

Again... no one is saying women can't do that... like if you're just going to repeat the same bullshit over and over. I've already pointed out your flaws... YOU are the one trying to make choices for them.

Guess I'm done here.

No I am not, I am trying to get you to see why the world is what it is today. I am helping you to see the answer why these conditions exist in society.

[Aggrophobic]

Hah, you really don't like the idea that you got called out for assuming everyone's emotional state here. Gotta dodge the point now. It's cool, concede defeat.

I was pointing out the OPs and yours and I stand by that.
You're reading things that just aren't there however and you're acting like a 5 year old. You're free to do so, of course.

It's silly though.

[cuafpr]

ok, so why don't the female leads of hollywood put their money where the mouth is refuse to star in any movie not directed by a female, and do those roles at a reduced costs, go start in female directed indi films for free to help them get their names out there. put up or shut up basically.

[Krigaren]

Biology as nothing to do with it at all?

No. There is literally not a single career in human existence that's limited by biology.

[Kujako]

No. There is literally not a single career in human existence that's limited by biology.

Sperm donner! Check mate.

[Daelak]

We must live in 2 different worlds because I've never had this type of sexist dialogue in my life outside of internet basket weaving forums where a minority of people have 20,000 posts and know exactly how to mental gymnastics all over the place.
This is probably your 15th time participating in a thread like this.

It's just sad to me, nothing more, nothing less.

No, we most definitely live in the same reality, you are the one deluded by it.

[Jester Joe]

We don't allow gender threads on these forums, as seen by this thread, they tend to just get far too hostile and no one's going to budge on their opinion.

Closing this on that note.