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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Wvvtayy View Post
    Seriously...the way some people react on here whenever someone criticizes WoW in any way or says something they disagree with is so over the top. You'd think you'd just punched their newborn child in the face.

    It's a discussion forum, just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean you need to react like it's some sort of grave insult...
    Because much of the time it isn't actual constructive criticism or just plainly false.

    "I think X isn't good because Y" <-- Good feedback
    "HURR DURR RETAIL IS FOR IDIOTS VANILLA WUZ HARD" <---Bad/false feedback.

    It's the same when I go tell Vanilla players that Vanilla is objectively horrible for Todays standard and they go into a frothing rage.

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Rubbing Specialist View Post
    It's the same when I go tell Vanilla players that Vanilla is objectively horrible for Todays standard and they go into a frothing rage.
    Gonna risk a derail/tangent here:

    It's because they LIKE the objectively horrible experience that was vanilla. They just can't admit that they like trash.

    I mean, I'm running on a theme of plain truthhere, if it wasn't obvious. Here's an example:

    Fast food is also trash. But, full disclosure: I sometimes LIKE fast food. That doesn't stop it from being bad in an objective sense, though. I don't try to tell people that fast food is somehow good just because I like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirCowdog View Post
    Gonna risk a derail/tangent here:

    It's because they LIKE the objectively horrible experience that was vanilla.
    Vanilla/Classic experience wan't horrible at all - it was great and all went toward making WoW what it is, relevant to when it occurred. I'm of a mind that continued iteration and improvement doesn't make what came before "horrible," it just means the current product is a step above what it was (and vice-versa in terms of steps in the wrong direction don't necessarily imply the original product was great by comparison).

    I'm all for constructive criticism, especially when it includes ideas and opinions as to how perceived wrongs can be righted or made better. But at the end of the day you can never please *everyone* because people are looking for different things and value different elements. You can only hope against hope that in the aggregate the things you value or prefer get buffed while the things you don't get fixed, understanding that you're not always going to come away the "winner."
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  4. #64
    There's also the side of the coin where people nonchalantly disagree with the criticism, and they're branded in numerous negative terms. And there are those that simply state a harsh opinion without any constructive criticism in the opinion.
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  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    Vanilla/Classic experience wan't horrible at all - it was great and all went toward making WoW what it is, relevant to when it occurred.
    Which is why I always says "for today's Standards" I loved Vanilla when Vanilla was all we had. But It has come a long way since then.

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    It's less about what they say than it is about how they say it.

    Same for anything.

    Doesn't help that a lot of the complaints are just complaints and not a complaint + idea how to fix the problem. Or even a desire to fix the problem. People just want to complain. Which is fine, but if you just want to state your opinions without having a discussion then you need to accept that some people will come in and state their opinions without caring what your position is.
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    It's a question that will never be answered and I'm not convinced that the op, who just yesterday advised people in another of his threads to stop posting if they had a different opinion than his, is really interested in a constructive discussion.

    Besides the forum is for discussion about the game and not each other.

    Constructive posting is more likely to get replied to constructively. Avoid framing your points in a way that is designed to only draw attention and then lacing your thread titles with exaggeration and clickbait is one way to begin to get to better discussions.

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