View Poll Results: Gnome Shaman or Druid or both?

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    30 25.42%
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  1. #61
    Every race, every class. Would make things so much easier to balance. And so much more fun to play. Don't want race imbalance? Make all the races worth playing. Don't want class imbalance? Make all the classes worth playing.
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  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Mirishka View Post
    How sad one's life must be to have a 'burning hatred' of a fictional race in a video game. :/

    Having said that, I wouldn't normally associate gnomes with shaman but if something as selfish and self-serving as a goblin can do it, it stands to reason that a gnome could as well.
    Or they were just making a joke :3

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Then why were you saying that gnomes are not fit for Shamans?
    Because their culture simply does not fit. period.

    This is the same stupid discussion everytime about certain race / class combo, yes you could always conjure up a renegade group that practices X because of reasons.

    This is a fictional story, we could find justifications for Orc Priest / Paladin or Dwarf Demon Hunter if Blizzard likes, it does not mean that it should be as it damages racial / class lore even further.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    By why can't parts of the that transformation manifest in a different way? We already have racial forms.
    To retain some racial identity, because some fragments of the original body are still left when transforming, possibly why Worgen can also be bipedal despite wolves walking on 4 legs, because night elves / humans are bipedal beings.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Why can't a gnome racial form be more "robotic" when we have apparently self propagating wild robots now. If they can't self propagate I wonder who is building them all.
    Because there is no robot god / spirit in Warcraft, every robot in Warcraft was artificially created by some engineer.

    Druids are about living beings, robots aren't alive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Psykho View Post
    But what about if you were a Faceless or a Nathrezim, I feel like the elements would try to flipping murder you if you got close
    Elements probably wouldn't mind aiding people like Lothraxion if he could talk to the Elements.

    Issue is Nathrezim and Faceless ones are inheritly evil, if you somehow purge that evil, they could probably become Shaman but since 99.9% of those races are evil, the elements refuse to listen to them.

    It's not about race, it's about intention, Gul'dan short has shown that pretty well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    same way they explain everything else. It takes more work then shamanism certainly but it is possible. They could really fit the crazy nature of npc druids as well with gnomes being a part of https://wow.gamepedia.com/druids_for...ent_of_animals that oppose the exploitative nature of goblin/gnome tech and strive to protect the mechanical wildlife.

    It could even bring mechagnomes as a sub race that can actually transform into different robot forms.

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    it really doesn't stop there though. It just is a basic mechanical technology. Look at eredar/draenei, look at the titans. The gnomes tinker because they were created to tinker and the old gods turned them to flesh. Gnomes took tech and replaced it with magic. Blood elves have technology but use magic to power it rather then mechanical nature.

    Wow was never really medieval setting. Maybe in its very first iteration but tech of gnomes/goblins should really be the least "really?" thing in wow.
    there is no correlaation between robots and nature, and all mechanical creatures are either located in a lab, or escaped and live a cave, there is no way gnome druids can be justified

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    Because their culture simply does not fit. period.

    This is the same stupid discussion everytime about certain race / class combo, yes you could always conjure up a renegade group that practices X because of reasons.

    This is a fictional story, we could find justifications for Orc Priest / Paladin or Dwarf Demon Hunter if Blizzard likes, it does not mean that it should be as it damages racial / class lore even further.



    To retain some racial identity, because some fragments of the original body are still left when transforming, possibly why Worgen can also be bipedal despite wolves walking on 4 legs, because night elves / humans are bipedal beings.



    Because there is no robot god / spirit in Warcraft, every robot in Warcraft was artificially created by some engineer.

    Druids are about living beings, robots aren't alive.



    Elements probably wouldn't mind aiding people like Lothraxion if he could talk to the Elements.

    Issue is Nathrezim and Faceless ones are inheritly evil, if you somehow purge that evil, they could probably become Shaman but since 99.9% of those races are evil, the elements refuse to listen to them.

    It's not about race, it's about intention, Gul'dan short has shown that pretty well.
    Yes but, their would not be enough of each race becoming Shamans to call it a shaman race, and with the Faceless, I highly doubt the elements would want to work with something that literally came out of an old god's nipple

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Psykho View Post
    Yes but, their would not be enough of each race becoming Shamans to call it a shaman race, and with the Faceless, I highly doubt the elements would want to work with something that literally came out of an old god's nipple
    I believed that "good" Nathrezim do not exist, yet we have a light wielding Nathrezim now.

  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by Psykho View Post
    there is no correlaation between robots and nature, and all mechanical creatures are either located in a lab, or escaped and live a cave, there is no way gnome druids can be justified
    Oil. Electricity. Fire. Ice. Water. Are all things of nature that the gnomes harnass/use. Mechanical creatures are also not just located in a lab or escapees that live in a cave. That is ignoring the entire fact that Hunters have nothing to do with Robots prior to Mechanical hunter pets. It could also easily be explained with how Worgen can be druids. They were cursed by the Scythe which allowed them to become druids.

    Humans normally can't.
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  7. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by X Amadeus X View Post
    Just a basic question is there any reason a Gnome can’t be a Druid or Shaman, lore wise. I personally would come back for Gnome Shaman.

    Would you like to see Gnome Shaman or Druid?
    I honestly don't think there is a reason any race can be any class at this point. But there are some culture reasons why one race wouldn't strive to have a class. I think gnome shaman or druids would feel forced like goblin shaman.

  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    Because their culture simply does not fit. period.
    Shamanism fits perfectly fine. It fits just as well as goblins do. Gnomes just wouldn't be making bargains out of greed. It is a stupid discussion that happens everytime but it is because people like you that think the end all argument is "It doesn't fit no more discussion".

    This is a fictional story, we could find justifications for Orc Priest / Paladin or Dwarf Demon Hunter if Blizzard likes, it does not mean that it should be as it damages racial / class lore even further.
    You can't damage race, class, and any other lore by allowing something to happen. Your logic indicates Blizzard can never release anything new because it could damage lore that already exists.

    Because there is no robot god / spirit in Warcraft, every robot in Warcraft was artificially created by some engineer.
    Mimiron. Did you know that every living thing in Warcraft was created as well? Trolls were created by the Well but can be druids. You don't need a robot god or spirit to become a druid. As you said druid forms manifest different parts on their form to retain racial identity. Your earlier statement defeats your reasoning here.

    Druids are about living beings, robots aren't alive.
    Gnomes are alive. Robots are certainly alive in the Warcraft universe though because we have things like Mechagnomes. Remember too that they are a creation of the Titans. Freya is the one who created the emerald dream. Why can't there be a way for a Titan Creation to access that somehow. You are to caught up in strict things of this and that instead of looking at the lore.

    Druidism still draws a lot of there stuff from titan creations/powers. Nothing against gnome culture or lore or even the lore of Warcraft says gnomes can't be druids or shamans. Gnomes when afflicted by the curse of flesh fled to caverns and mountain peaks. Plenty of places to connect with Nature or the Elements.

    It's not about race, it's about intention, Gul'dan short has shown that pretty well.
    The irony of you saying this after arguing that gnomes can't become Shamans because they are gnomes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shibito View Post
    Why gnomes can be monks and goblins cant is beyond me
    Because the goblins starting zone is set during cata times, aka the time before pandaria was discovered and the pandaren could spread their way of the monk.

  11. #71
    I'd imagine they should be able to make a mechanical shaman like goblins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Rubbing Specialist View Post
    TBH, I think No. Since they come from Mechagnomes that were inflicted with Curse of the Flesh, meaning they were Machines and thus would have the least connection to nature of any Races except Undead.
    Could we stop with that argument?
    Dwarves and humans are also both just cursed titanforged, and look at all the dwarf shaman and gilnean druids/harvest witches.

  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    You can't damage race, class, and any other lore by allowing something to happen.
    You do.

    Because that has never even been hinted at any point that Gnomes care, worship or draw upon nature or the elements for help.


    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Mimiron.
    You have no clue of warcraft lore if you believe Mimiron is even close to an actual mechanical deity.

    You may assume that some people may worship him as such, but that doesn't make him one, his body was artificially created by Mechagnome servants, he's basically a construct with a soul.

    He can transform gnomes back into Mechagnomes, has nothing to do with Druidism but counts as shapeshift (i guess?).

    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Did you know that every living thing in Warcraft was created as well? Trolls were created by the Well but can be druids. You don't need a robot god or spirit to become a druid.
    Because we can compare water that basically causes evolution on crack to building a machine.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    As you said druid forms manifest different parts on their form to retain racial identity. Your earlier statement defeats your reasoning here.
    Their freaking forms, not something that undermines the entire philosophy of druidism.

    There is a goddamn reason why Druidism is so popular among races that don't give a shit about technology.

    Druids are about Nature, machines aren't natural.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Robots are certainly alive in the Warcraft universe though because we have things like Mechagnomes. Remember too that they are a creation of the Titans. Freya is the one who created the emerald dream.
    There is a plain and simple difference, Mechagnomes and other constructs were created by the Titans to manage Titan facilities, whereas actual living beings were created to populate the planet.

    Druids embrace the latter, because machines have nothing to do with nature.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Druidism still draws a lot of there stuff from titan creations/powers.
    Because the Titans happen to create all life on Azeroth after the War between the Elemental Lords and the War between the Titans and Old Gods pretty much any fauna and flora was most likely wrecked on Azeroth.

    The connection between druidism and titans is coincidental, Titans create life, Druids worship life, druids also worship life that has no direct connection to the Titans creations, like Cenarius who is pretty much the kickstart for druidism among the mortal races.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Nothing against gnome culture or lore or even the lore of Warcraft says gnomes can't be druids or shamans.
    They just happen to never even hint to give a shit about Nature or the Elements, but aside from that it's totally legit.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    The irony of you saying this after arguing that gnomes can't become Shamans because they are gnomes.
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Nothing against gnome culture or lore or even the lore of Warcraft says gnomes can't be druids or shamans. Gnomes when afflicted by the curse of flesh fled to caverns and mountain peaks. Plenty of places to connect with Nature or the Elements.

    That doesn't mean it automatically justifies a new class / race combo.
    Again and again under this logic you literally justify any race combo, not the weird shit you made up but anything from Human Shaman to Undead Paladin.

    Your logic evolves around the idea that because Goblin Shaman exist (Which is a totally shitty combo btw.) automatically justifies an equally stupid combination.

    Two wrongs don't make things rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Oil. Electricity. Fire. Ice. Water. Are all things of nature that the gnomes harnass/use. Mechanical creatures are also not just located in a lab or escapees that live in a cave. That is ignoring the entire fact that Hunters have nothing to do with Robots prior to Mechanical hunter pets. It could also easily be explained with how Worgen can be druids. They were cursed by the Scythe which allowed them to become druids.

    Humans normally can't.
    By Nature I meant plants, plants and robots are complete opposites, therefore Gnome Druid is ridiculous, also the Scythe of Elune didn't grant them the abiity to be druids, Gilneans already had druids in the form of Harvest-witches

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Shamanism fits perfectly fine. It fits just as well as goblins do. Gnomes just wouldn't be making bargains out of greed. It is a stupid discussion that happens everytime but it is because people like you that think the end all argument is "It doesn't fit no more discussion".



    You can't damage race, class, and any other lore by allowing something to happen. Your logic indicates Blizzard can never release anything new because it could damage lore that already exists.



    Mimiron. Did you know that every living thing in Warcraft was created as well? Trolls were created by the Well but can be druids. You don't need a robot god or spirit to become a druid. As you said druid forms manifest different parts on their form to retain racial identity. Your earlier statement defeats your reasoning here.



    Gnomes are alive. Robots are certainly alive in the Warcraft universe though because we have things like Mechagnomes. Remember too that they are a creation of the Titans. Freya is the one who created the emerald dream. Why can't there be a way for a Titan Creation to access that somehow. You are to caught up in strict things of this and that instead of looking at the lore.

    Druidism still draws a lot of there stuff from titan creations/powers. Nothing against gnome culture or lore or even the lore of Warcraft says gnomes can't be druids or shamans. Gnomes when afflicted by the curse of flesh fled to caverns and mountain peaks. Plenty of places to connect with Nature or the Elements.



    The irony of you saying this after arguing that gnomes can't become Shamans because they are gnomes.
    No, the only reason Gnomes even learned to be priests was so they could serve as medics

    Mimiron has nothing to do with nature(i.e. PLANTS)

    only certain small amounts of robots could be considered alive

    He also mentioned that certain races aren't capable of good and therefore can't be Shaman(at least a non-dark shaman), also I doubt Gnomes would have good enough intentions for the elements to allow them to be shaman, Gnomes see in pure application standpoint, they only see what something can do for them, they never deviate from what they think is the right state of mind, a state of mind which doesn't let the Gnomes give the elements an alignment to them in exchange for power, which is all the Gnomes see in any magic, they simply cannot see beyond the physical application(I apologize if I was being redundant)

  15. #75
    depending on weather sand gnomes are more htan just comic relief then possibly.

  16. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Shnider View Post
    This is pure racism. How come goblins are accepted and gnums not. Did you know that they are green vile creatures?
    Goblins worked in mines for generations close to the elements, Gnomes were machines that got the curse of flesh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Could we stop with that argument?
    Dwarves and humans are also both just cursed titanforged, and look at all the dwarf shaman and gilnean druids/harvest witches.
    Which can only be because they have faith in the respective powers for each class, which Gnomes simply refuse to let themselves have, the only reason they can be priest is because the light is wielded through willpower

  18. #78
    Considering Goblins can be shaman, why not? It just seems like elementals are just personifications of power that want more power, not some ancient rite to be respected.

    Though tbh, I'd prefer seeing human shamans before this.

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