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Patch 7.3.5 - Alliance and Horde Epilogue Cinematics

Black Qiraji War Tank
Muffinus let players know that the Black Qiraji War Tank is a reward for players that already had the Scarab Lord title.

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[Yarathir]

Still think, being that it's a new model and the source of the original one is from something that happened over a decade ago, that they should have made that mount a newly obtainable thing. Don't care how hard or rare it would've been. OH well.

[Zeta333]

Still think, being that it's a new model and the source of the original one is from something that happened over a decade ago, that they should have made that mount a newly obtainable thing. Don't care how hard or rare it would've been. OH well.

no they shouldnt have. And thinking like that is why wow is the shitshow it is today.

[Yarathir]

no they shouldnt have. And thinking like that is why wow is the shitshow it is today.

Give a good argument, beyond "muh prestige". why?

And while you're at it, also give a good explanation for why WoTLK Scarab Lords are ok, and not a total destruction of Scarab Lord prestige.

And after that, why the Ultramarine Qiraji Battle Tank is ok.

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Meh. I guess this is fine. I mean, giving out a free mount to people for something they did like 12 years ago seems odd, but I'll go with it.

Yeah. Can't wait until TBC Gladiators get a free mount.

[Blamblam41]

no they shouldnt have. And thinking like that is why wow is the shitshow it is today.

No, exclusivity and the idea that making things 'difficult' (see: requires X amount of people or grinding, rarely ever strategy) to get is rewarding is exactly what made this game the shitshow it is.

People like you just can't seem to separate that from the dopamine releases in their brains. I swear dopamine addicts are going to ruin gaming.

[Kithelle]

no they shouldnt have. And thinking like that is why wow is the shitshow it is today.

Not enough that people have something that was nearly impossible to obtain...but now they get a second something for doing literally nothing.

Isn't that something you people complain about, people getting something super rare for doing absolutely nothing at all?

[Callinon]

It's content for literally like 250 people across the entire game. Really glad they spent art team time on that. I don't care that I can't get it anymore (ok I do a little because that was horse shit even at the time), I care that it's a totally irrelevant piece of content for a microscopic fraction of players, many of whom probably aren't even playing anymore.

[Yarathir]

Not enough that people have something that was nearly impossible to obtain...but now they get a second something for doing literally nothing.

Isn't that something you people complain about, people getting something super rare for doing absolutely nothing at all?

This.

And that aside, a vast majority of current Scarab Lords (in all likelihood and probability) are WoTLK ones. I'd like Zeta333 to explain how it's okay that not only do they get to cheese something that he considers prestigious long after it's relevant, but they also get a second exclusive mount for it.

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It's content for literally like 250 people across the entire game. Really glad they spent art team time on that. I don't care that I can't get it anymore (ok I do a little because that was horse shit even at the time), I care that it's a totally irrelevant piece of content for a microscopic fraction of players, many of whom probably aren't even playing anymore.

To be frank, I don't even want the Black Qiraji Battle Tank and the Scarab Lord title. I made my peace with the fact that I missed out on it, plain and simple, and respect that.

But when they put current development time into a new model, with new textures and even a new design, I'm miffed when it's given to people who did a thing a decade ago, years before an updated model was even conceived by Blizzard.

[Blamblam41]

This.

And that aside, a vast majority of current Scarab Lords (in all likelihood and probability) are WoTLK ones. I'd like Zeta333 to explain how it's okay that not only do they get to cheese something that he considers prestigious long after it's relevant, but they also get a second exclusive mount for it.

He can't, because like every other prestige lord or exclusive dirt bag they can't give any reason why their designs are good other than it feels good to them: IE slaves to dopamine releases.

[yetgdhfgh]

Iam sure the few hundred who still play who have that mount will be very pleased.

Such a great use of dev time like these ridiculous 3 days a year mounts that will prolly disappear when its over and you need to get them again next year just for 3 days!

[Yarathir]

He can't, because like every other prestige lord or exclusive dirt bag they can't give any reason why their designs are good other than it feels good to them: IE slaves to dopamine releases.

Well, that is one argument to make. If he thinks prestige is good, that can be a valid argument.

But in this case, he'd have to descend into some heavy cognitiv dissonance to explain why the aforementioned things are ok.

1. Scarab Lords in WoTLK that cheesed it then and there when the content was 10 times easier.
2. The people owning the Cataclysm-introduced Ultramarine Qiraji Battle Tank.

Mind you, the first group owns the direct mount and title that is supposed to be prestigious, and the second group owns the same model in a different coloration.

This one is an entirely new model with new textures. That's like introducing new Nether Drake models and giving them only to old TBC Gladiators.

[Blamblam41]

Well, that is one argument to make. If he thinks prestige is good, that can be a valid argument.

But in this case, he'd have to descend into some heavy cognitiv dissonance to explain why the aforementioned things are ok.

1. Scarab Lords in WoTLK that cheesed it then and there when the content was 10 times easier.
2. The people owning the Cataclysm-introduced Ultramarine Qiraji Battle Tank.

Mind you, the first group owns the direct mount and title that is supposed to be prestigious, and the second group owns the same model in a different coloration.

This one is an entirely new model with new textures. That's like introducing new Nether Drake models and giving them only to old TBC Gladiators.

The problem with it feeling good is that it's just objectively not. You said it yourself, it was cheesed it WotLK and it actually isn't all that difficult to do, more than anything required timing.

It's this kind of exclusive mundane shit that people like him exalt to the mountains when it fundamentally means nothing other than the dopamine release in their brains. It's pathetic and designing the game around it shows Blizzard cares more about their whales than their consumers.

[Deleted]

So I don't get the additional bag space if I only have the physical authenticator attached to my account?

[Yarathir]

The problem with it feeling good is that it's just objectively not. You said it yourself, it was cheesed it WotLK and it actually isn't all that difficult to do, more than anything required timing.

It's this kind of exclusive mundane shit that people like him exalt to the mountains when it fundamentally means nothing other than the dopamine release in their brains. It's pathetic and designing the game around it shows Blizzard cares more about their whales than their consumers.

Myeah, I don't know. I'm not ready to debate the merits of prestige in games, and I definitely don't mind the existence of the original Black Qiraji Battle Tank mount and Scarab Lord title.

It's just that if you want to make the case that the new Black Qiraji War Tank being obtainable by players currently stomps on the prestige of original Scarab Lords, then you'll have to deliberately ignore the far more egregious cases of "prestige-stomping" that are the WoTLK Scarab Lords and Ultramarine Qiraji Battle Tank.

[Sett]

Why reward folks that already got a mount and title that's super rare?

[Tiberria]

The thing is, it's fine for there to be time limited/unobtainable content. People who don't have Scarab Lord (or some of the other unobtainable titles like Immortal, Obsidian Slayer, etc.) have long since accepted that they missed that boat, and it's fine, because they still got things that others could not later obtain like say the Vampiric Batling/Onyxian Whelpling pets.

What rubs me the wrong way about this particular situation is the fact that they actively spent art/development/design time to add a new unique mount model to the game that's only obtainable by people that hit a gong 12 years ago. That feels like it's developers deliberately rubbing the faces of those that started playing after Vanilla in it. Why does that even make sense to do? Those people were already rewarded in the first place.

[Zeta333]

No, exclusivity and the idea that making things 'difficult' (see: requires X amount of people or grinding, rarely ever strategy) to get is rewarding is exactly what made this game the shitshow it is.

People like you just can't seem to separate that from the dopamine releases in their brains. I swear dopamine addicts are going to ruin gaming.

funny cus as soon as they got rid of that exclusivity and prestige is when the pop count took a fucking nose dive and people and guilds were quiting in droves.

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Not enough that people have something that was nearly impossible to obtain...but now they get a second something for doing literally nothing.

Isn't that something you people complain about, people getting something super rare for doing absolutely nothing at all?

They got an updated model for somthing that hadnt been touched in somthing like 12 years. Why do you deserve somthing that an organized guild and most of a server had to work to get one person? Why do you deserve that?

[Yarathir]

funny cus as soon as they got rid of that exclusivity and prestige is when the pop count took a fucking nose dive and people and guilds were quiting in droves.

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They got an updated model for something that hadnt been touched in somthing like 12 years. Why do you deserve somthing that an organized guild and most of a server had to work to get one person? Why do you deserve that?

No one is touching the old mount or title. It's still around and still unobtainable.

This is a new model, with a new design (the old one had no beak and bony protrusions and spikes), with new textures, with current development time put into it.

I like the fact that you didn't tackle my earlier points about the WoTLK Scarab Lords and the Archaeology Battle Tank doing far more to diminish the prestige of the Black Qiraji Battle Tank, though. Because you know you can't.

[Ithilion]

My only complaint is that it should have been a flying mount

[Yarathir]

What rubs me the wrong way about this particular situation is the fact that they actively spent art/development/design time to add a new unique mount model to the game that's only obtainable by people that hit a gong 12 years ago. That feels like it's developers deliberately rubbing the faces of those that started playing after Vanilla in it. Why does that even make sense to do? Those people were already rewarded in the first place.

Yes. I was assuming that the Qiraji mounts they added in 7.3.5 wouldn't just be thrown to Scarab Lords especially because they were a new thing. I've never complained about the original Black Qiraji Battle Tank, but the fact that they made these new ones for no reason, just to gift it to a group of people that already got one unique mount and title more than 10 years down the line rubs me wrong.