Iraq sentences German woman to death for joining Isis, reports say

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US is not terrorist country, grow up.

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Who cares? she left the German jurisdiction and joined terrorists, off with her head.

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They are. And they will always be one

[Tiwack]

She may be scum, but constitution demands to protect her from inhuman medieval punishment and ensure a fair trial, which is not a given in iraq. She will be held responsible but she also has rights that government has to guarantee.

People calling for blood here are no better than ISIS. We can and have to be better than that.

Accurate level-headed response I can agree with.

[Grokresh]

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

They are. And they will always be one

Suuuuure, lunatic conspiarcy theorist, I bet you think 9/11 was an inside job.

[Tiwack]

She killed other people and actively aided a terror organization. Locking her away and have her indoctrinate others to isis belief....great idea.

Of course that's the likely result in a facility designed to punish instead of rehabilitate and correct unwanted behavior.

[Grokresh]

Accurate level-headed response I can agree with.

I suppose she deserves a fair trial but killing a waste of space that has nothing left to contribute to the world seems logical.

[XDurionX]

She killed other people and actively aided a terror organization. Locking her away and have her indoctrinate others to isis belief....great idea.

It's up to a court to decide what she did and did not, and she will be held responsible, if she was involved in killings. Claims of such events are not enough. If she did what she's accused of, she will be in jail for life anyway. And she won't be able to influence anyone from there. Capital punishment, however, is not acceptable under any circumstances, no justice system in the world is perfect and can guarantee flawless gathering of evidence. Especially not if it's based on hearsay. The german government has to protect its citizens human rights such as physical inviolability, it really doesn't matter whether you like the person or not.

[sunxsera]

As a german, i like it. Join terrorists - die like a terrorist. Easy as that.

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You either try hard, or you do nothing. There is no middle ground in that matter, and the constitution makes it clear, what the way to go is, otherwise the values would be void, and a mockery. If you have values you stick to them always, not only when it is easy.

Cause there's middle ground. If she had been found guilty of some law which goes against western values like freedom of press, free speech (ish) of course the goverment need to throw their full wiieght behind it. She guilty of something illegal in both nations. One just carries a more severe punishment. We need to respect Iraqi laws to a point, I would argue this is that point.

[Tiwack]

I suppose she deserves a fair trial but killing a waste of space that has nothing left to contribute to the world seems logical.

I think you're projecting a fair bit? Want me to tell you your future?

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With her beliefs rehab might not even be feasible. She's not a teen or misguided she's set in belief. That makes her very dangerous to a country like Germany.

Want me to speak on your behalf as well?

[Grokresh]

I think you're projecting a fair bit? Want me to tell you your future?

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Want me to speak on your behalf as well?

Projecting? A terrorist has a future? A terrorist isn't a waste of space?

[Ravenblade]

This one? I'm all for the death penalty but she just looks like a confused, frightened kid.

No, that's not her but she's German too. It's the 16 year old girl from Pulsnitz in Saxony. A lot people want to see her dead too citing...laws *snort*. Regardless of this if it would be an American citizen the US wouldn't accept to let it happen, but hey, it's a German citizen and what best way to legally kill a German by gleefully accepting death penalty applied to one abroad.

I personally don't trust Iraqi justice system especially at this point of time. In this situation they are in they are most likely to find anyone who worked or lived with ISIS soldiers to be accomplice in crime. I'd like to see her tried at a German court, preferably in her home state of Saxony where courts would most likely take a more conservative stance.

Also in order to clear this "German prisons are full" and "she would only sit for 2 years" nonsense up: they wouldn't be so full if foreign prisoners would be extradited to serve their terms in their home country and if resocialisation programmes for non-violent transgressions would be applied more effectively. Terrorists don't get the easy way out card here depending on their level of accompliceship it's easy to get 7-10 years unless special circumstance like crown witness rules apply. It's true, it doesn't beat the "beauty of death" but really, I thought only ISIS is death-horny.

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Suuuuure, lunatic conspiarcy theorist, I bet you think 9/11 was an inside job.

maybe you should google what terroism is

[Grokresh]

maybe you should google what terroism is

"the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims." Please Cite these terrorist events

[TheFirstOnes]

This one? I'm all for the death penalty but she just looks like a confused, frightened kid.

Looks don't speak anything at all. I've known that much.

[Ravenblade]

Looks don't speak anything at all. I've known that much.

As I said above it's not the woman mentioned in the article who is well above 50 years, this one is a foolish 17 (then 16) year old girl named Linda W. who also was caught with ISIS. We had a thread on this before the gist of it was that she deserves it. I personally tend to see it less emotional in this case: We only know what was said about her, a few bad photo shots, and that she was with ISIS. I think for now just being with ISIS is one thing, but to what extent she truly partook in their operations til the moment of her capture would require more investigation. It's that part I am very skeptical that it's all happening within the rule of law. As much as it's true that a death penalty is an "out of our eyes, out of our minds" thing, there would be an opportunity to learn about how ISIS (and its future follow-up organizations) recruits people especially from abroad. Something must have gone wrong in her life but she's not a unique cases. Once we are left only to do the clean-up of bringing yet another Islamist militant sect down we are only going to see repeat cases like this.

[Realitytrembles]

Don't join ISIS if you want to live I guess.

Indeed. If I may quote The Punisher (as written by Garth Ennis):

" If you work for the Devil, you'd better be ready to die for him."

[Vargulf the Happy Husky]

night night fraulein

[Dsonsion]

I personally don't trust Iraqi justice system especially at this point of time. In this situation they are in they are most likely to find anyone who worked or lived with ISIS soldiers to be accomplice in crime. I'd like to see her tried at a German court, preferably in her home state of Saxony where courts would most likely take a more conservative stance.

I've felt sadder about some other deaths, but I agree with this, I think Germany should be pushing to judge its citizen in her own country. It won't set a good precedent for these event to let Irak have its way.

[Harbour]

Good riddance.

[PACOX]

I've felt sadder about some other deaths, but I agree with this, I think Germany should be pushing to judge its citizen in her own country. It won't set a good precedent for these event to let Irak have its way.

Why though? She went to Iraq and became an enemy combatant. She joined a group that was occupying Iraqi land, killing Iraqi soldiers, enslaving and torturing Iraqi people. But Iraq doesn't deserve to punish people who violate its laws, especially enemy combatants? Its not like Iraq went to Germany and snatched her up for breaking some law, she went over there. Yall would be pissed if it were the other way around and Germany sent and Iraqi back.