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  1. #601
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    One main reason why Elemental didn't click for more is the super boring and weak Lightning Bolt spam. The skill feels so underwhelming without Stormkeeper.
    I agree that LB feels weak but isn't that the case for all builders and isn't builder/spender Blizzard's new favorite design?

  2. #602
    Quote Originally Posted by mkultra55 View Post
    I agree that LB feels weak but isn't that the case for all builders and isn't builder/spender Blizzard's new favorite design?
    You're right, I just remember a time where LB wasn't hitting like a wet noodle.
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  3. #603
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    You're right, I just remember a time where LB wasn't hitting like a wet noodle.
    That was also a time when Lava Burst's CD was a fixed period, until Lava Surge was added, and the main skill was knowing if you could afford to weave in the odd Chain Lightning if there was a gap that was too small to fit a LB into, or whehter you shoul cast the LB and push back the LvB, or whether you should just wait for the LvB to come up. And knowing what you sustain rotation was compared to your max-DPS. And then knowing how the rotation changed with a Haste proccing trinket and/or Herolust. It was a very different game back then, and I don't think we're ever going back to it. I do miss LB hurting and LvB landing like a freight train though.

  4. #604
    Quote Originally Posted by Socialhealer View Post
    is that it?

    not that ascendance was a proper power house of a cooldown OR
    stormlash totem utility
    healing tide utility
    ancestral guidance being 3 times better and being actual utility
    shamanistic rage giving elemental a proper survival
    chain lightning spam NOT being clunky AoE and if mobs are kited you're not watching them all run out of EQ and your dps vanish
    spiritwalkers grace meaning you had a period where you could do anything and not get fucked on dps, spamming only lightning bolt while moving allowed us to deal some damage where as now once you're out of maelstrom you're just doing zero dps.
    could talent for double capacitor totem or double tremor totem even more utility!
    I agree that we have many utilities back on MoP. And I also agree Ascendance was a real deal CD. I agree spamming CL like mad feels really good. But back then CL jump range was shit.

    About mobility tho, later on BFA you could just spam FrS freely on the move. The damage is a bit lower than LB considering it a free insta cast spell, and also slowing adds (or players at pvp) so no complaint there. It's much better than mobile-LB since it still can be interrupted and not slowing.
    Last edited by Rezhka; 2018-06-18 at 06:51 PM.

  5. #605
    Quote Originally Posted by Rezhka View Post
    ....

    About mobility tho, later on BFA you could just spam FrS freely on the move. The damage is a bit lower than LB considering it a free insta cast spell, and also slowing adds (or players at pvp) so no complaint there. It's much better than mobile-LB since it still can be interrupted and not slowing.
    Yeah. I'm a fan of the new Frost Shock. Especially with Echo and MotE specced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkultra55 View Post
    Yeah. I'm a fan of the new Frost Shock. Especially with Echo and MotE specced.
    Just logged on to the PTR to try this, and you're right! It actually felt pretty good (not talking about damage, but purely playstyle). It wasn't somewhat fast and engaging and weaving fire, lightning AND frost made me feel like a proper elementalist.

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  7. #607
    Quote Originally Posted by Venziir View Post
    Just logged on to the PTR to try this, and you're right! It actually felt pretty good (not talking about damage, but purely playstyle). It wasn't somewhat fast and engaging and weaving fire, lightning AND frost made me feel like a proper elementalist.
    It makes Icefury incredibly easy (maybe too easy) to use but I'm OK with that.
    At least it solves the issue of how to balance Icefury against lost Earth Shock's prior to the change.

    It also means less face tanking while leveling if we do Lava Burst then Frost Shock as an opener. I find I don't use Lightning Bolt that often for quest mobs since they're dead in 2 Lavabursts and 2 Frost Shocks more often than not.
    Last edited by mkultra55; 2018-06-19 at 09:00 PM.

  8. #608
    Quote Originally Posted by mkultra55 View Post
    It makes Icefury incredibly easy (maybe too easy) to use but I'm OK with that.
    At least it solves the issue of how to balance Icefury against lost Earth Shock's prior to the change.

    It also means less face tanking while leveling if we do Lava Burst then Frost Shock as an opener. I find I don't even use Lightning Bolt for quest mobs.

    Yes, but i still think Echo should be baseline.

    If Echo stays a talent it will produce cookie cutter buildes.

    If you want to play IceFury,you need to take Master of the Elements and Echo.
    And if this talent combination is , nuber wise, not strong, the talent becomes trap talents...

    Also for Exposed Elements, if you want to play with that talent, i dont see a reason why you dont want to take High Voltage and Unlimited Power ( maybe SK for M+ Trash)

    It is not that i dont "like" the idea of 2 or 3 strong Talent buildes, but the elemental Talent tree seems so akward to me.
    Why should i want t otake SE if it replaces FE. Later in the EXP with more base Haste i will get very fast under the GCD, so the moste stacks are wasted.

    Earthen Rage doesnt scale proper, Ice Fury seems to be weak, so PE is the going to Talent alone the self CD of the Earth Elemental is worth taking it for M+ and Raiding, even in PVP i think it can be good.

    And so on...
    some Talents have no proper interaction with them or the Elemental or seems to be the go to combination.
    There is just to much that seems unfinished und not well tought out.

  9. #609
    Quote Originally Posted by Mordog View Post
    Yes, but i still think Echo should be baseline.
    If Echo stays a talent it will produce cookie cutter buildes..
    It's almost impossible to make talents that synergize well in multiple ways. I'm fine with having builds built around each element even if it seems cookie cutter.

    I also wouldn't make assumptions based on the current state of numbers tuning. T90 is the movement row and all of the choices fit the theme especally with the Frost Shock change.
    Last edited by mkultra55; 2018-06-19 at 11:11 PM.

  10. #610
    Quote Originally Posted by Mordog View Post
    Why should i want t otake SE if it replaces FE.
    Replacing it is the better option, the WoD Version (which did not replace FE) was not that great, you basically had three CD's to juggle (Ascendance,FE and SE) and two of them incurred a CD on each other (Both went on a one minute CD).

    However, SE is outright insane with PE, Eye of Storm (new active ability for SE) is quite the damage boost on ST and especially AoE.

    The "passive" effect of SE is not good sadly and will lose a lot of value down the line.

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