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  1. #201
    Quote Originally Posted by Khallid View Post
    Can the new allied races be demon hunters? This seems like just an issue with allied races being forced to start as low level.
    No...the only newer class the allied races can be is Monk.
    It's like Blizzard telling me I can't have a steak because there aren't enough cows left, but then tell me I can have as many hamburgers as I could possibly eat. That is exactly their logic with Void Elves which literally leaves no excuse as to why there can't be High Elves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigby View Post
    Worgen and Goblins weren't.

    Dark Iron, Kul Tirans and maybe some Pandaren and Zandalari were active on EK/Kalimdor during the pre-WotLK event period.
    That is very much true, however they were added the exp after wotlk and I think it would be a bit late now. Also I think that blizz are lazy.

  3. #203
    I think every class could/should be DK. I mean a DK isnt going to be picky once he raises them from the dead - 'sorry dark iron, you not like the other dorfs, you stay dead.'

  4. #204
    Sorry for bringing up an old thread. I am just curious if there's been any new information about wether dks can play new races somewhen in the future or not. Been thinking about switching my undead to orc but if new races are an option later in the new xpac I might save some money.

  5. #205
    Quote Originally Posted by Quulawl View Post
    Sorry for bringing up an old thread. I am just curious if there's been any new information about wether dks can play new races somewhen in the future or not. Been thinking about switching my undead to orc but if new races are an option later in the new xpac I might save some money.
    There is no new information out, but that can change. The only races that can be DK's for the time being are the races that have been available since Cataclysm.
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  6. #206
    Quote Originally Posted by Oneirophobia View Post
    Blizz said they were considering allowing Zandalari and Dark Iron death knights, which would be cool.

    The main reason they shy away from new races being DK or DH is due to the starting experience.

    1) Starting way further in the leveling process
    2) Unique storylines


    Both of these things are tied together. If they found a way to have DH and DK level smoothly from lower levels (say 20, which is the level the allied races start) they could definitely make an existing story for them. The whole issue is abilities are unlocked so late in the leveling process for both those classes that changing what level they start at would be awkward and lead to a whole slew of coding bugs. They'd almost have to have two sets of classes pretending to be the same class, one class that starts at 20 and one that starts at the regular DH/DK levels.

    As far as storyline goes,


    DKs - Ebon Blade was raising defeated heroes on the Broken Isles and the Broken Shore. This included Nightborne, Highmountain, etc. Void Elven DKs could just as easily be power hungry blood elf death knights looking to get into even more dubious magics, thus transitioning to void.

    DHs - Probably limited to Velf and Nightborne. DH can transition from belf to velf, and Nightborne's storyline of the legion invading Suramar and ruining everything is basically exactly what the Belf and Nelf DH went through. After Suramar was freed from the demons, some Nightborne joined the Illidari.
    I think we can just neglect the start level, at most do that allied race dk and dh will not receive heritatge set due to being heroic classes.

  7. #207
    At this point they could have allied DKs start at lvl 20 in the DK lvl 55 zone he wouldnt have access to talents for a long while BUT the entire DK starting experience can be executed now with zone scaling regardless of your lvl.

    you would start at lvl 20 in Acherus and begin your starting zone quests unlocking DK lore things etc and the whole zone would scale down to you like it currently does for all of Vanilla now. and once your finished the DK starting Zone instead of going right into Wrath/TBC content you will just continue on the normal leveling path from 20-60 like everyone else.

    right now lvls 20s can quest and do dungeons with anyone else lvl 20-59 so they old issue of "DKs start at 55" would no longer be an issue the level you start at is technically irrelevant now. Zanalari/Dark Iron Dks start at 20 and everyother version of DK start at 55 with zone scaling both can exist questing together and progressing together.

  8. #208
    Hero classes(DKs/DHs) are tied to a historical event, while Monks are not.

    Their origins being not originally Horde or Alliance is the restriction. Unless that's not clear, when you make a Death Knight or a Demon Hunter, you're apart of the Scourge or Illidari and then join the Horde or Alliance. To add more races to either class, would mean a whole different starting experience from the races that can already play those classes.

    Imo, now that Order Halls have been established, there should be new races joining classes they've never been before. But then comes the game complication of where do you start them out? It would be really weird to have them all be level 1 and do stuff in the past(but i guess they already have that for Allied races at lvl 20). Putting them at level 110 would honestly make the most sense, but that's not profitable for Blizzard or fair to other classes. But that's where i think they would make the most sense. I personally would play a female Nightborne Demon Hunter.

  9. #209
    Quote Originally Posted by Varamar View Post
    I think we can just neglect the start level, at most do that allied race dk and dh will not receive heritatge set due to being heroic classes.
    I think this would be perfectly acceptable since you could simply level another class using the same allied race to unlock the heritage set on your DK. Although I might be biased here since I don't personally mind leveling.

    Alternatively, they could try to add additional steps for allied race hero classes. Basically, other than levelling to max, you'd have to complete something on top of that to unlock heritage gear with your hero class, be it completing the first raid tier in Normal or higher, or simply unlocking BFA Pathfinder (just Part 1 would suffice I think).

  10. #210
    The death knights we play as today were raised by Arthas. It's pretty clear that Bolvar has a role to play eventually and may start creating new ones. When the lore reaches this point, I believe new races will be able to be DKs.
    Last edited by ksaf; Yesterday at 03:49 PM.

  11. #211
    I really feel like game developers should stop wasting all their artists hard work and take advantage of the fact that in a game world things are pretty flexible unlike real life where we don't get to program our lives into perfection. Just retcon EVERYTHING and let every race play every class. BAM, happier customers(and the customer IS always right). I think if we're being honest with ourselves the artists of a video game have it way more difficult than the people balancing numbers, which is why I like there being a difficulty level(with appropriate stat rewards) for everyone so that everybody gets to see the content while still being able to accept higher challenge/higher reward. It's very simple to plug in number values into a computer; it's not as simple to come up with unique story and artwork.
    Last edited by patrik9321; Yesterday at 01:09 PM.

  12. #212
    Quote Originally Posted by ksaf View Post
    The death knights we play as today were raised by Arthas. It's pretty clear that Bolvar has a role to play eventually and may start creating new ones. When the lore reach this point, I believe new races will be able to be DKs.
    The Deathlord and the Horseman also have the ability to make new DK. I feel like this will play a role in the future.
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