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    More affliction nerfs... needed?

    Corruption and agony nerfed by 6% and Long Dark Night of the Soul (self heal) nerfed by 70%

    https://www.mmo-champion.com/content...ce-Reputations
    Ghostcrawler is gone, time to celebrate!

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    I was surprised to see this, I actually thought they needed a buff...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gioderpington View Post
    I was surprised to see this, I actually thought they needed a buff...
    What world do you exist in? lmao

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    Have you seen the logs? Yes it was needed. Should have been a bigger nerf to be honest. WW next now i hope.

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    I personally think it is a little overboard, considering they've been nerfed three times already and are still middle of the pack ST DPS wise. Especially with the heal. If you're "draining life" shouldn't you be able to heal decently from it? Mythic + groups love bringing Aff locks for their consistent damage and ability to self heal when needed. If you didn't want them to heal, you shouldn't have built their entire fucking spec around draining life constantly. Our 2/3 target fights are where we shine, but any/all multi-dot classes do. Hell, a "good" SP will wreck us in a straight 2 target fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christhammer View Post
    Have you seen the logs? Yes it was needed. Should have been a bigger nerf to be honest. WW next now i hope.
    WW is fine. This is the first tier WW has been competitive. Affliction has been broken for damn near all of Legion so if anything it needs more nerfs.

    Again, WW is fine, Affliction is broken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hashcrypt View Post
    WW is fine. This is the first tier WW has been competitive. Affliction has been broken for damn near all of Legion so if anything it needs more nerfs.

    Again, WW is fine, Affliction is broken.
    Affliction is broken but to be fair, they fucked it so hard through EN they're prob trying to make up for it. Of course it would just be nice if the entirety of mages and hunters weren't so bad comparatively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hashcrypt View Post
    WW is fine. This is the first tier WW has been competitive. Affliction has been broken for damn near all of Legion so if anything it needs more nerfs.

    Again, WW is fine, Affliction is broken.
    WW is far beyond competitive. It does more single target than most classes AoE.
    Cheerful lack of self-preservation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christhammer View Post
    Have you seen the logs? Yes it was needed. Should have been a bigger nerf to be honest. WW next now i hope.
    Show me those logs, because I am curious. More people play Aff well, than a lot of other classes. But there are very few fights where we are the "top dog". Someone always does something better than us. We aren't the best Single Target, we aren't the best AoE, we are good for sustained dps over long fights, thats it. Eonar... Yeah, we excel at Eonar... great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hashcrypt View Post
    WW is fine. This is the first tier WW has been competitive. Affliction has been broken for damn near all of Legion so if anything it needs more nerfs.

    Again, WW is fine, Affliction is broken.
    Aff was the worst spec in the game until 7.1.5/7.2, so to say "all of legion", is just being a d-bag. It's also factually untrue.

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    Thank you for links. Yeah, there isn't even a single Aff lock in the top 100 on Heroic(which is what most people do), and only 10 in mythic. Yeah, we're really broken. The hate is real....

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    still not nearly enough, they need to nerf them A LOT more

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    Quote Originally Posted by agentsi View Post
    Thank you for links. Yeah, there isn't even a single Aff lock in the top 100 on Heroic(which is what most people do), and only 10 in mythic. Yeah, we're really broken. The hate is real....
    learn to read logs you clown

    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/17#dataset=95

    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...5&difficulty=4


    Also lets not ignore that Warler did 4 warlocks 1 Blooddk in m+ 25 and higher keys during tyranical weeks

    And also lets not forget that warlocks can solo heroic eonar and can also do the mid or upper lane solo on mythic.

    Lets also not ignore that warlocks can ignore any and all mechanics in m+ due to their selfheal which is still broken OP.

    https://clips.twitch.tv/PoorImpossibleWolverineKreygasm
    Last edited by mmocf7e4d66c72; 2018-02-06 at 04:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agentsi View Post
    Thank you for links. Yeah, there isn't even a single Aff lock in the top 100 on Heroic(which is what most people do), and only 10 in mythic. Yeah, we're really broken. The hate is real....
    And now if you look at it properly rather than top 100 players, who are going to be cheesing or sucking RNJesus' dick, out of hundreds of thousands:
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...y=4&dataset=90 <<< Heroic
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/17/#dataset=90 <<< Mythic
    Last edited by Soisoisoi; 2018-02-06 at 04:03 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agentsi View Post
    Thank you for links. Yeah, there isn't even a single Aff lock in the top 100 on Heroic(which is what most people do), and only 10 in mythic. Yeah, we're really broken. The hate is real....
    A lot of people are just talking out of their asses instead of really looking at the data:

    Garothi #16
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...076&dataset=95

    Dogs #1
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...074&dataset=99

    High Command #5
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...070&dataset=99

    Eonar #1 (Lane Cheese)
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...075&dataset=95

    Portal Keeper #3
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...064&dataset=95

    Imonar #10
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...082&dataset=95

    Kin'garoth #6
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...088&dataset=95

    Vari #2
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...069&dataset=95

    Coven #1
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...073&dataset=95

    Aggramar #1 (kite cheese)
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...063&dataset=95

    Argus #17
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...092&dataset=95

    So excluding the cheese the meter fights Affliction is averaging 7th place and near the bottom on Mythic Argus, hardly OP.

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    Those fights where Aff owns like Hounds, Coven, and Aggramar the nerfs will not be felt that badly. Not counting that tunnel fest eonar and to be fair SPs generally do better than us on Hounds. Those other 8 fights where we are competitive but not at the top we will remain meh on. The nerfs not killer but neither was it warranted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katjezz View Post
    still not nearly enough, they need to nerf them A LOT more

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    learn to read logs you clown

    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/17#dataset=95

    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...5&difficulty=4


    Also lets not ignore that Warler did 4 warlocks 1 Blooddk in m+ 25 and higher keys during tyranical weeks

    And also lets not forget that warlocks can solo heroic eonar and can also do the mid or upper lane solo on mythic.

    Lets also not ignore that warlocks can ignore any and all mechanics in m+ due to their selfheal which is still broken OP.

    https://clips.twitch.tv/PoorImpossibleWolverineKreygasm
    ^^This guy lol ^^. wants locks nerfed because they out M+ him rofl...

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    Quote Originally Posted by xuros View Post
    ^^This guy lol ^^. wants locks nerfed because they out M+ him rofl...
    He also links logs properly and not just the top 100 or whatever overall. Locks are strong.

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    Locks didnt need nerf same as WW doesnt need one. Dunno why the fuck are they nerfing classes in last patch. They should just tweak weak classes

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    Quote Originally Posted by agentsi View Post
    I personally think it is a little overboard, considering they've been nerfed three times already and are still middle of the pack ST DPS wise. Especially with the heal. If you're "draining life" shouldn't you be able to heal decently from it? Mythic + groups love bringing Aff locks for their consistent damage and ability to self heal when needed. If you didn't want them to heal, you shouldn't have built their entire fucking spec around draining life constantly. Our 2/3 target fights are where we shine, but any/all multi-dot classes do. Hell, a "good" SP will wreck us in a straight 2 target fight.
    I'll gladly trade you my slightly better 2 target damage for your crazy survivability and self healing, amazing aoe, solid single target and much lower ramp up time. Warlocks are just better than shadow in almost every way at the moment.

    That's of course assuming we are even better at 2 target, looking at felhound logs warlocks are ahead of shadow in almost every bracket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullarkie View Post
    Another clown who cant read logs.

    These datas give an AVERAGE.

    There are TENS OF THOUSANDS of afflocks compared to 500-10k of other classes which pushes the median AVERAGE DOWN.

    If you go to each boss and look at the actual rankings, you find afflocks on every single fight.

    Every

    Single

    Fight.

    You cant do that with any other class.

    Even Ion himself said that warlocks are broken, hence his comment "no king rules forever"

    mmochampion is just filled with butthurt heroic only baddies who are mad they are losing like 4% damage at best, which they could gain by actually playing their class properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agentsi View Post
    I personally think it is a little overboard, considering they've been nerfed three times already and are still middle of the pack ST DPS wise. Especially with the heal. If you're "draining life" shouldn't you be able to heal decently from it? Mythic + groups love bringing Aff locks for their consistent damage and ability to self heal when needed. If you didn't want them to heal, you shouldn't have built their entire fucking spec around draining life constantly. Our 2/3 target fights are where we shine, but any/all multi-dot classes do. Hell, a "good" SP will wreck us in a straight 2 target fight.
    Yeah... no...

    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/17/#boss=2074 - Hounds
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/17/#boss=2075 - Eonar
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/17/#boss=2064 - Portal Keeper
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/17/#boss=2069 - Varimathras
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/17/#boss=2073 - Coven
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/17/#boss=2063 - Aggramar

    And for therest, they are in the upper ranks anyways.

    The nerf is totally justified

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