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  • Saurfang will side with Anduin and break his oath to overthrow the Warchief

    107 33.75%
  • Saurfang will keep his oath of loyality to Warchief Sylvanas

    210 66.25%
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  1. #201
    Quote Originally Posted by M-Ra View Post
    The Horde has the Forsaken who are Undead humans and inhabited Lordaeron, the former heart and capital of the Alliance. So the Horde already has claimed something deeply iconic of the Alliance back in classic. So why shouldn't the Alliance get the Mag'har Orcs?
    Ye, undead, as you said. Undead who have been persecuted by their former kind. Alliance just wanted them dead. They also were a race because they represent a faction in the original W3, as the other original races. Moreover, as you said, they were ( let me repeat the were) humans, so should they have allied with their former human friends? hum? They were friends, weren't they? But they haven't 8(

    Alliance "won't" get Mag'har because it is nonsense. Mag'har are orcs, and orcs is a race in the Horde. Mag'har are just like the orcs in the Horde, just a lil bit different; same traditions, same culture... etc. And they also (tchan, tchan, tchan) don't have anything against their kind, against the orcs of the Horde. Why would they fight against them, with those with they share a lot?

  2. #202
    Quote Originally Posted by Vlindrel View Post
    Ye, undead, as you said. Undead who have been persecuted by their former kind. Alliance just wanted them dead. They also were a race because they represent a faction in the original W3, as the other original races.
    The real issue with the playable undead lorewise is that - unlike the majority of other playable races - they do not look towards solutions, but create more problems instead. It is hard for their living counterparts to get along with them when they destroy the environment, weed out the living and do absolutely nothing to change their condition, but help create more of their kind instead; all of this supposedly free-willed too, which makes it all the worse.

  3. #203
    Quote Originally Posted by Friendlyimmolation View Post
    Last I checked , undead were not a corner staple of Alliance culture


    This might be dumber than high elf threads.
    +1

    The people now asking for orcs and Saurfang to pledge to the Alliance are for sure the same as the "give us Hight Elves for the Alliance" flipping ones. They are like trying to mess and to get Horde people mad taking whats the essence of the Horde. If you want Horde things, just play the Horde, it is as simple as that. Why do this people want those cross-overs? Totally annoys me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shampro View Post
    That'd be good way for me to save some money from this game if they do that. It'd show that they literally have no idea how to write the Horde.
    Actually, you will find that in The Real World, tribal societies often go through leadership changes at random points and very often in comparison to organized society. The original Horde (WC1-2) also had a lot of political turmoil in it.

    So, if you are looking for a stable leadership base, you should probably not be playing Horde, as that is literally not the type of government that it has need of. (It would be better for it, but it isn't something the primary race ((orcs)) can get behind.).
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    Gold and the 'need' for it in-game is easily one of the most overblown mindsets in this community.

  5. #205
    Quote Originally Posted by Magnagarde View Post
    The real issue with the playable undead lorewise is that - unlike the majority of other playable races - they do not look towards solutions, but create more problems instead. It is hard for their living counterparts to get along with them when they destroy the environment, weed out the living and do absolutely nothing to change their condition, but help create more of their kind instead; all of this supposedly free-willed too, which makes it all the worse.
    I mean, I don't even like the undeads, nor the Forsaken, but well, they're at the Horde due to gameplay reasons. Classical faction from the original games that had to be implemented; where would you put them? With the Alliance? No, better with the barbaric and "bad" guys of the Horde. It was just simpler. They could, as many people has said during all these years, have made a third faction, but that was too much effort. The truth is that Forsaken don't belong anywhere at all after Arthas' death.

  6. #206
    Quote Originally Posted by M-Ra View Post
    The Horde has the Forsaken who are Undead humans and inhabited Lordaeron, the former heart and capital of the Alliance. So the Horde already has claimed something deeply iconic of the Alliance back in classic. So why shouldn't the Alliance get the Mag'har Orcs?
    So now they are humans? What happened to the "Scarlet Crusade should kill all those soulless evil entities"?

  7. #207
    Quote Originally Posted by Vlindrel View Post
    I mean, I don't even like the undeads, nor the Forsaken, but well, they're at the Horde due to gameplay reasons. Classical faction from the original games that had to be implemented; where would you put them? With the Alliance? No, better with the barbaric and "bad" guys of the Horde. It was just simpler. They could, as many people has said during all these years, have made a third faction, but that was too much effort. The truth is that Forsaken don't belong anywhere at all after Arthas' death.
    They should've made a third faction out of them though. They ruined the prospect of a third undead faction and shattered a lot of the Horde theme and flavour along with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    So now they are humans? What happened to the "Scarlet Crusade should kill all those soulless evil entities"?
    There appears to be a wave among the Forsaken which disagrees with what Sylvanas does. Them agreeing to do what Sylvanas wanted them to do(ie destroy land, drive out the living, experiment on the living, raise more undead) is basically the reason why the SC had enough justified motives and reasons to destroy them in the first place.

  8. #208
    Quote Originally Posted by Magnagarde View Post
    They should've made a third faction out of them though. They ruined the prospect of a third undead faction and shattered a lot of the Horde theme and flavour along with it.

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    There appears to be a wave among the Forsaken which disagrees with what Sylvanas does. Them agreeing to do what Sylvanas wanted them to do(ie destroy land, drive out the living, experiment on the living, raise more undead) is basically the reason why the SC had enough justified motives and reasons to destroy them in the first place.

    Being honest, I'd like to know what is the purpose of the Forsaken undeads nowadays. What are they fighting for? Do they just wanna live in peace and harmony? Or turn any living to the undead? I sincerely don't know. And if they don't want to follow Sylvanas, whose aim is to mantain them "alive", what is the other option? Just to finally die? Then why they don't just go and suicide. As I said, I feel like the undead thing is too confusing at the moment! :/

  9. #209
    Quote Originally Posted by Anjerith View Post
    Actually, you will find that in The Real World, tribal societies often go through leadership changes at random points and very often in comparison to organized society. The original Horde (WC1-2) also had a lot of political turmoil in it.

    So, if you are looking for a stable leadership base, you should probably not be playing Horde, as that is literally not the type of government that it has need of. (It would be better for it, but it isn't something the primary race ((orcs)) can get behind.).
    Except in tribes they change leadership because their life expectancy is low, not because their leaders turn to cartoon villains.

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    Well considering how Blizzard trolled High Elves fans with Void Elves... I think it would be even if they troll Brown Orcs fans by giving them to Alliance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheramoreIsTheBomb View Post
    He also may join the Alliance with the Mag'har Orc allied race. If I had thought of it earlier I would've added it to the poll.
    Saurfang is not going to lead an army to fight the Horde. If he is talking to Anduin, it's to save the Horde, not to defeat it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highwhale View Post
    Well considering how Blizzard trolled High Elves fans with Void Elves... I think it would be even if they troll Brown Orcs fans by giving them to Alliance.
    Alliance will get purple Void Orcs.

    Remember it's a game. Have a beer buff. Chill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheramoreIsTheBomb View Post
    He also may join the Alliance with the Mag'har Orc allied race. If I had thought of it earlier I would've added it to the poll.
    Thankfully you didn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by M-Ra View Post
    The Horde has the Forsaken who are Undead humans and inhabited Lordaeron, the former heart and capital of the Alliance. So the Horde already has claimed something deeply iconic of the Alliance back in classic. So why shouldn't the Alliance get the Mag'har Orcs?
    Yes, because a brown skin Orc is just as different from a green skin Orc as a walking, rotting corpse is from a breathing Human. Gotcha.

    You would have had a point if Nathanos model would have been playable on the Horde side but, alas, it isn't and there's literally only one Horde character who exhibits that model around.

    Quote Originally Posted by Highwhale View Post
    Well considering how Blizzard trolled High Elves fans with Void Elves... I think it would be even if they troll Brown Orcs fans by giving them to Alliance.
    That would be shitting on them, not trolling. If you want to troll them, give those fans the Pale Orcs.
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    It's a general rule though that if you play horde you are a bad person irl. It's just a scientific fact.
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    The game didn't give me any good reason to hate the horde. Forums did that.

  13. #213
    Quote Originally Posted by Zulkhan View Post
    That would be shitting on them, not trolling. If you want to troll them, give those fans the Pale Orcs.
    Nah, Troll Orcs. An extra pair of tusks, lanky appendages but a thick stomach, and elf ears just because.
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    I'm sorry sir, but we do not serve complimentary cheese when you bring your own whine.

  14. #214
    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    Nah, Troll Orcs. An extra pair of tusks, lanky appendages but a thick stomach, and elf ears just because.
    Just strech a normal orc skin over darkspear model.

    And make the hunch even bigger, so that no one can bitch that no effort went into it.
    "To the ordinary, we are unknowable. Fallen, corrupted; rightly feared. You cannot understand our origins, our motives. The dawning realization, that we are not fallen... we are ascended!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    Just strech a normal orc skin over darkspear model.

    And make the hunch even bigger, so that no one can bitch that no effort went into it.


    something like this?
    Quote Originally Posted by WoWKnight65 View Post
    That's same excuse from you and so many others on this website and your right some of threads do bully high elf fans to a point where they might end up losing their minds to a point of a mass shooting.
    Holy shit lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Friendlyimmolation View Post


    something like this?
    Scientists proved that this is last image you see before dying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Friendlyimmolation View Post
    something like this?
    I am baffled that it actualy fits. Even the eye sockets went exactly over nostrils.
    "To the ordinary, we are unknowable. Fallen, corrupted; rightly feared. You cannot understand our origins, our motives. The dawning realization, that we are not fallen... we are ascended!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    Scientists proved that this is last image you see before dying.
    Turns out you should fear the reaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    I am baffled that it actualy fits. Even the eye sockets went exactly over nostrils.
    Baffled, and perhaps afraid? What is the Horde government hiding from us?
    Quote Originally Posted by WoWKnight65 View Post
    That's same excuse from you and so many others on this website and your right some of threads do bully high elf fans to a point where they might end up losing their minds to a point of a mass shooting.
    Holy shit lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    I am baffled that it actualy fits. Even the eye sockets went exactly over nostrils.
    It kinda reminds me of xenomorph tangue, but with whole face on it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Friendlyimmolation View Post
    Turns out you should fear the reaper.
    Baffled, and perhaps afraid? What is the Horde government hiding from us?
    He's been expecting us. All of us.

    And honestly, i wouldnt be surprised if sylvanas decided to clone garrosh and create entire elite unit of garroshes.

  20. #220
    Quote Originally Posted by Friendlyimmolation View Post
    Turns out you should fear the reaper.

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    Baffled, and perhaps afraid? What is the Horde government hiding from us?
    This is the future Sylvanas wants for the Horde.

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