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    I gues we don't know which itemlevel we will reach at level 120, eh?

    What itemlevel are the new items we get/the dungeon drops at 110?

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    Well, from what I've seen so far, Heroic Dungeons are going to require 200 ilvl. Whether thats BoA or current dungeons, I don't know. However, if its equivalent to this chart, that'll be 920 currently, so that's likely accurate.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Heres some stuff from Wowhead, talking about things they saw at the last blizzcon.

    Wowhead Link
    Shaman PvP Theory
    - "that all sounds nice but i prefer the hide behind a rock and dps method, and if they target you, ghost wolf, and if they start attacking you, bend over and prepare yourself psychologically."
    -Thunderspike

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTieThatBinds View Post
    Well, from what I've seen so far, Heroic Dungeons are going to require 200 ilvl. Whether thats BoA or current dungeons, I don't know. However, if its equivalent to this chart, that'll be 920 currently, so that's likely accurate.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Heres some stuff from Wowhead, talking about things they saw at the last blizzcon.

    Wowhead Link
    Isn't that low? I mean we should be replacing legendaries before Mythic Dungeons or any Raiding imo, and those scale to 280. Even in pure stats that'd be a problem.

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    Very interesting. The entire WotLK expansion is basically iLvl100 and WOD only goes up 12 iLvls from Highmaul LFR and Hellfire Citadel Mythic. I think this is the way to do it, basically squish all the multiple difficulties together to one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marston View Post
    I gues we don't know which itemlevel we will reach at level 120, eh?

    What itemlevel are the new items we get/the dungeon drops at 110?
    Judging from WoD to Legion, it was a jump of about 250, so I expect ilvl 500 again by the end of BfA. Quite retarded really, they need to cut the crap with exponential gains and 4 difficulties 15 ilvl apart.

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    Great job Blizzard, you managed to turn off even more players from your game by trying once again to go back in time to another dimension where World of Warcraft was never released in 2004.

    This must be apart of the campaign of players that don't like 'big numbers'. "OH MAH GURD 1000 ILVL NYUUURRRR" it's like listening to people complain about the numbers in 2018 being just so much and that we need to reset the calendar to 1 A.T. (After Trump).
    There is absolutely no basis for individual rights to firearms or self defense under any contextual interpretation of the second amendment of the United States Constitution. It defines clearly a militia of which is regulated of the people and arms, for the expressed purpose of protection of the free state. Unwillingness to take in even the most basic and whole context of these laws is exactly the road to anarchy.

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    I'm sure they'll tweak that formula to make sure we can still solo old content easier (hopefully including the 10% buff we got after 7.3.5 was live for a week), but damn, those ilevels are close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blamblam41 View Post
    Great job Blizzard, you managed to turn off even more players from your game by trying once again to go back in time to another dimension where World of Warcraft was never released in 2004.

    This must be apart of the campaign of players that don't like 'big numbers'. "OH MAH GURD 1000 ILVL NYUUURRRR" it's like listening to people complain about the numbers in 2018 being just so much and that we need to reset the calendar to 1 A.T. (After Trump).
    Who are you speaking for ? And what is this nonsense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Isn't that low? I mean we should be replacing legendaries before Mythic Dungeons or any Raiding imo, and those scale to 280. Even in pure stats that'd be a problem.
    They'll do what they did with previous expac items like trinkets and items with uses,

    they wont work above 119.
    Originally Posted by Ghostcrawler

    If you are trying to AE tank and a bad dps is attacking the wrong target and dies, we call that justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikazz View Post
    They'll do what they did with previous expac items like trinkets and items with uses,

    they wont work above 119.
    Only I am not talking about their use effects. Many of the legendaries, particularly those with weak effects, have a massive stat budget plus are at 1000 ilvl. 1000 ilvl corresponds to 280 ilvl after the squish. If you enter Heroic dungeons at 200, something seems wrong.

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    Sooo we're going to start around ilvl 280 and potentially double that during the expansion? Yeah, extreme power gap still hasn't been solved at all.

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    Judging from WoD to Legion, it was a jump of about 250, so I expect ilvl 500 again by the end of BfA. Quite retarded really, they need to cut the crap with exponential gains and 4 difficulties 15 ilvl apart.
    Totally this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zka View Post
    Sooo we're going to start around ilvl 280 and potentially double that during the expansion? Yeah, extreme power gap still hasn't been solved at all.

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    Totally this.
    I would expect that when you are fully geared for raiding and entering the first tier you'll be at 280-300. Then if we count 4 tiers (because yes, Blizzard counts EN+ToV as a different tier than NH) and the gap between tiers is like in Legion 30 ilvls then yeah, we'll be above 450 by the end of BfA.

    But without the massive ilvl boost of legendaries and artifacts, with weapons and azerite slots not able titanforge (and the latter not able to warforge), there is no reason for the gap between tiers to be at 30 ilvls; it can be at 20 or even 15 like it used to be. So if it goes like this we may end up going from 300 to 400 only.

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    kinda useless change considerin you dont have to read ilvl on the fly
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    Means I'd presently be around ilvl 210. Most of the people in Alpha now are starting with ilvl 190 and don't seem to have many issues leveling.

    One side effect of this is that it might be almost viable to use some older legendary pieces again for their effects without too much loss of power. Like the Legendary cloaks from MoP (now at ilvl 136) or the Legendary rings from WoD (now at ilvl 160). I still transmog my cloak as that old Legendary one...but sometimes I miss the random lighting effect it would have from time to time (the proc itself was nice too, but the visual effect was more interesting).

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    Why are people against an item squish is beyond me.
    *shrug*

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    This is good.

    Stats are once again going far too high, it is just stupid that soon we would need to shorten numbers due to them not fitting in the screen... besides, none wants to see 2500000 crits, it´s plain silly when the same effect could be 2500 or even 250000. Why so many numbers?

    I think that´s how it will be from now on, lower stats for lunch, let them grow for a couple of X packs, lower again.. but they could also try to find a new system (I guess it´s the plan).

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    Those saying that power gaps aren't solved, blizzard has explicitly said 3 times now that there will be power gaps.

    So stop with the bloody crying that it needs to be fixed, it doesn't need to be fixed.

    1. They reduced titanforging likeliness by a lot, by the sound of how they worded it, it will be rarer than legendaries.
    2. They took away tier sets, tier sets have always been the biggest drive behind power increases.
    3. We aren't getting legendaries, that's a lot of stats we won't be getting.
    4. Artifact weapons are gone and azerite neck won't give similar increases in damage.

    We'll gain a lot less power, but there will still be quite noticeable power gaps every tier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EUPLEB View Post
    4. Artifact weapons are gone and azerite neck won't give similar increases in damage.
    We don't really know this last one tbh. The Azerite gear will probably be more than just utilities after all.

    Also we might get a Wrath/Cata style legendary weapon or two later in BfA.

    On your other points I agree, that's pretty much what they've communicated so far.

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    What a horrible shit show, yet again..
    Getting items while leveling will be utterly useless, it doesn't matter an 175 ilvl item will have exactly the same power level as a 268 ilvl item now. That means that you will hardly have any power increases for a whole expansion, this combined with with the fact that everything scales pretty much means that you'll never feel any power increase at all.
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