You guys are complaining too much about the new leveling.

[Vordie]

Yeah, one can definitely level faster than I did.
I may be an experienced leveler, but I took my time and wanted to just enjoy questing again.

This is why your opinion is different to the general consensus. You are an "experienced leveler". I've personally always hated leveling through quests cause I liked doing 3-4 hours of dungeon spam, then chill for a bit, then go back to it etc.

Now dungeons are a no-go. Not only are they not efficient, they are HARD. I have to work harder on my prot warrior to not get killed in a 2-pack pull than I would have to in a regular +15. That should NOT be a thing.

Also, I've always thought leveling took too long. The real WoW for a lot of people starts at max level, and a lot of people DO NOT enjoy leveling, but have to go through it. Why make it harder for those people to enjoy the game so that a small part of the WoW community, that labels themselves "experienced levelers" can have a "new" experience?

[Gimlix]

Yeah why would we complain ? A new casual player wanting to give a try will buy WoW, spend 1 month leveling, and will likely leave before reaching level 110 (or 120 in BfA).

Where is the problem ?

And this was the case back in vanilla/tbc/wotlk days? No. People will stay if they like it.
Don't act so black and white cause you dont like it.

[Pull My Finger]

I don't enjoy questing, I wanna dungeon spam, I don't play this game for quests, never have, and I never will either. I do whats needed to get flying, whilst watching porn or other entertainment.

Apathetic and unsavory bystander type players, obviously, are the last people Blizzard listens to when designing a game. Which is good.

[Nitros14]

No one believes that m8

The group who watched it happen does.

"Tank is your gear broken?"
"He's in all whites..."

[Alanar]

The group who watched it happen does.

"Tank is your gear broken?"
"He's in all whites..."

/p: kick the nab tank pls.

[ManiaCCC]

that labels themselves "experienced levelers" can have a "new" experience?

Stop speculating. You don't know which group of people is in majority..if any..

[Arcanines]

Apathetic and unsavory bystander type players, obviously, are the last people Blizzard listens to when designing a game. Which is good.

How about you quote the entire comment? To you know try to discuss my points? I only say I dont enjoy questing and just wish to play the real game aka end game. Lfg got “fixed” aka no one does it as the XP is utter garbage. Great job making lfg useless. People that cared about leveling dodnt dungeon spam period.

[Grenzstein]

People that want to level by "not playing the game" should buy a boost or stop with this. It's getting old fast. Also, i love to see the same guy that wanted vanilla back complaining that "levelling is too slow".

[Spazlord]

Leveling is great now. If you hate than all I can is it sucks to be you. I hated it for the last 5-6 years and now it’s fun again.

What do want to do at endgame anyway. You hate max level questing, you hate mythic+, you hate grinding for gear, you hate PVP, you all hate everything about the game except being boosted.

Why don’t you play Overwatch, no grinding, straight into end game, play your 1-2 hours 3-4 times a week, no problem. Leave Warcraft to the RPG heads.

[Vordie]

Stop speculating. You don't know which group of people is in majority..if any..

I think it's safe to speculate that people who want to play the game at max level for its max level content are the majority.

[Kikazz]

Also you have gotta realize that a lot of people can play every day even 3-5 hour and Blizzard is addressing them.

Thats my point, catering to the minority who can play more than they should in a Given day, screws over the majority,

i could be wrong and the people who can only play 2-3 hours a night tops, might be the minority then.

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They can just take it slow, or find more time, or change game. I'd take Vanilla leveling (long but fun and engaging, where every step feels like an accomplishment), where I spend 10 days of /played having fun and progressing, over Legion leveling (short but boring as hell, where whatever you do has no impact and feels empty and pointless), which is just wasting 40 hours and a much more offensive loss of time.

Of course, the changes to leveling are not well done (scaling is stupid, heirloom still makes getting gear pointless, nothing you get during leveling is worth anything, the mob are still weak enough that you don't feel you could use better stat, etc.), so they don't really fix the problems, but at least it shows Blizzard is starting to be aware there IS a problem.

have to agree, vanilla lvling was good at the time, and it was engaging as there were more people in the world, and server communities were great,
i ohnestly dont think we will ever see that again, in this game at least.

[Otimus]

My view is that leveling is deeply flawed, and making it take longer, or making you "use your full rotation" or whatever nonsense isn't going to make the quests, questing or most of the instances not be boring.

At least you can skip the absolute worst offenders left now, which is Outland, which has shitty even worse and outdated and unfun questing. Wish they'd fix the intros of the BC races too, though.

IMHO, questing isn't fun until you hit Cata quests and doesn't stop being "tediously dull" until at least WOTLK quests. This isn't because I've done it so many times. I've always thought this. The Cata revamp helped the 1-60 part a little, but not enough. Most of the help there was making their stories more interesting, rather than making them actually fun to play, though.

TBH, even if they increased the level time by 500%, but also made it fun, I wouldn't care.

[Quesenek]

I've seen many posts complaining about how the new leveling system makes leveling take too long or mobs are too difficult.
Yeah, sure, I can fully agree that there are a few quirks in the system, some level brackets are quite hard and some are really easy etc.
That said, leveling doesn't take too long, not at all...

It took me less than 60 hours game time to level from 20 to 110 on my Void Elf Shadow Priest.
What I had/did:
- I did nothing but solo questing (except for WoD)
- I had a full set of heirlooms, including two rings
- I had all types of flying
- In WoD I used the Garrison exp pot along with flying to pick up treasures and do the occasional Bonus Objective
- In Legion I got to do one Invasion before reaching max level

So I basically did no grinding, glitching, or exploiting.
I'm not saying that it doesn't take longer than it did before the patch, but it still doesn't take TOO long, this is still some of the fastest leveling we've had since the game first launched.
It also feels like a breath of fresh air to do quests again, rather than spamming dungeon queues non-stop, and being able to stay in a zone until you feel like you're done with it is great, and also reduces travel time a lot.

The last character I leveled 1-110 pre-7.3.5 without any down time to farm transmog or anything aside from pure leveling took me ~ 3 days played.
This was with all heirlooms 1-110 without rings, I leveled as a healer queuing for dungeons while actively questing.

Right now I'm leveling a DK currently 63 in northrend and the time to level feels weird, maybe it's because northrend isn't good for leveling or some other reason I just don't know about. However about 45 minutes a level surely feels wrong, as I can definitely level faster questing on my 100 DH in legion.

I both like the change and hate it at the same time; Questing just feels right, the mobs can fight back and I get to use more than one button to bash the mobs heads in. However it's just a pain because I'm on my last two characters to level to have all classes at max level/100+ and I just see a lot of time needed to level in the future.

[Zerenty]

My issue with the leveling system, comes from having played the game since launch.
I know the lore, i have done the quests, and i have done them many many many times, end game of the current expansion is where the game is for me. So i will complain all i want, because that is how you get what you want with big companies like Blizzard.

[ManiaCCC]

I think it's safe to speculate that people who want to play the game at max level for its max level content are the majority.

That's not the question. Question is, how many people enjoy new leveling, how many don't and how many just don't care at all.

[Deleted]

My issue with the leveling system, comes from having played the game since launch.
I know the lore, i have done the quests, and i have done them many many many times, end game of the current expansion is where the game is for me. So i will complain all i want, because that is how you get what you want with big companies like Blizzard.

I don't disagree with you on the game but I very much doubt that complaining is an effective strategy.

Blizzard don't care what you say. They care about money. The one effective thing you can do is unsub and/or not buy stuff from them. Otherwise you don't exist for all practical purposes.

[reauxmont]

You're insane if you think leveling an alt should take more than the equivalent of 2 full week of work hours.
You can get so much more done PvPing in that time frame or raiding.

Yeah man, so why don't you? Just stop playing one alt after another and enjoy what you have. Seriously, I'd much rather spend 100% of my playtime on my main, resulting in the best improvement. I'd understand wanting to play alts in earlier expansions where you cleared the weekly raid and heroic dungeons and had no other chances of improving your gear for that week, but since the introduction of mythic plus the improvement potential is basically unlimited.

[Rudkobing]

It's... interesting. I do like being able to go wherever I want to level. it's just frustrating not being able to cruise through dungeons like we used to.

[Goretex]

But that's the point here, People like myself that enjoyed Dungeon spamming and hated leveling in the Old World now have to deal with hours of boring content that we hate.

I don't give a shit that they overhauled leveling, they can keep it for all I care, I just want dungeon spamming to still be a completely viable way to level. Which has literally been my number 1 issue with this entire change.

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Excusing something for being Bad because something in the past was worse is just inane.

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Excusing something for being Bad because something in the past was worse is just inane.

People complain leveling is too hard and slow. Blizz changes that. Players complain it's too fast and easy. Blizz changes that and players complain still!lol