Sylvanas was NOT taunting Saurfang about his dead son.

[ANeM]

lothamar - ineexperianced

Lor'themar Theron has been leading the blood elves of Silvermoon since Kael'thas left for Outland the better part of a decade ago. He was an experienced military leader before being given the position, essentially having Sylvanas' old position as Ranger-General. With help from Halduron and Rommath has managed to reclaim much of Quel'Thalas and restore Silvermoon. He has much the same background as Sylvanas, nearly as much experience (having been her second in command and successor) and joined the Horde only about a year after her.

If he were to take the mantle of Warchief in BFA he would have essentially the same resume that Sylvanas did at the start of Legion.

[Friendlyimmolation]

well he is. name a horde general as experienced as saurfang ?

nazgrim ? hes ebonblade now. garosh dead, thrall awol, voljin dead, cairn dead.

bain - inexperianced
lothamar - ineexperianced
sylvans -great for guerrilla wars no experience with conventional warfare
galywix - please...

aside from saurfang only liadrin has any real usefull experience.

Lor'themar was Sylvanas's second, he outranked people like Alleria etc.

Sylvanas lead the armies of Silvermoon against the orcs when they invaded, and the Forsaken fought and beat the Alliance on multiple fronts in Cata.

Etrigg, served under Blackhand just like Saurfang etc.

[Syegfryed]

Sylvanas lead the armies of Silvermoon against the orcs when they invaded, and the Forsaken fought and beat the Alliance on multiple fronts in Cata.

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didn't the elves basically stand behind the magic shield? that not much of "lead an army against the orcs" kind of thing

And the forskan incursion trough the fronts in cata don't cont exactly as guerrilla? that not look like a rly war tough

[Friendlyimmolation]

didn't the elves basically stand behind the magic shield? that not much of "lead an army against the orcs" kind of thing

And the forskan incursion trough the fronts in cata don't cont exactly as guerrilla? that not look like a rly war tough

Before they pulled back behind the sheild due to dragons, Sylvanas lead the elves fighting the orcs.

I'd say fighting the 7th legion, the Stormpike, the Gilnaens and the Alliance in the plague lands counts as a small war.

[Deleted]

I saw people talking about disliking Saurfang (specifically Horde) earlier in the thread, so I figured I'd chime in. I really like Saurfang's character, he's written well and isn't extremely overpowered (even though we have those "Saurfang facts" jokes). He's also the true definition of an orc: he loves battling, he's honorable, loyal, but he also has realistic, human flaws; his son died and he could do nothing to save him and now he feels bad, and "suicidal" if you must say. Overall, he's a great character and I can't wait to see more of him come BfA.

The reason why people dont like him is because the "tide" have turned on him. He is the Ideal orc, Strong loyale, about honor(in a orcish way) he is everything garrosh was supose to be in the eyes of thrall, but actually true to it. Most people like that about him. BUT he he have major flaw, he dislike sylvanas.

So the armies of fanboys and waifu lovers of Sylvanas Feels like anyone that is mean towards her, most be a bad charcter. I said it many times. IF sylvanas was male elf, HE would have died in cata. had any other charcter which this borderline "fuck the everyone nuke the whales" Would be a villain, but she is pretty so she can't be a bad chacter, as people like to look at her

[Friendlyimmolation]

The reason why people dont like him is because the "tide" have turned on him. He is the Ideal orc, Strong loyale, about honor(in a orcish way) he is everything garrosh was supose to be in the eyes of thrall, but actually true to it. Most people like that about him. BUT he he have major flaw, he dislike sylvanas.

So the armies of fanboys and waifu lovers of Sylvanas Feels like anyone that is mean towards her, most be a bad charcter. I said it many times. IF sylvanas was male elf, HE would have died in cata. had any other charcter which this borderline "fuck the everyone nuke the whales" Would be a villain, but she is pretty so she can't be a bad chacter, as people like to look at her

or instead of tooting your "everyone is a Sylvanas fanboy" horn and making sweeping generalizations. You could potentially figure out people just don't like Saurfang being suicidal.

You would know that of course if you actually read people's complaints instead of immediately shrieking about Sylvanas.

[Oneirophobia]

How would she know though? She's never had an honorable Death.

The..first..one?

[Magnagarde]

Saurfang is the kind of warchief the Horde needs, not only because of "honor in battle", but also because he would never allow things to come where they've come under Sylvanas. I hope he becomes warchief during or after BfA.

[Super Kami Dende]

The..first..one?

Where she was captured, Tortured and killed? Lol totes honorable. Lmfao.

[Katsutomai]

Where she was captured, Tortured and killed? Lol totes honorable. Lmfao.

Where she defended her people and her lands the best she could until her last breathe. More than I can say about a lot of other leaders.

[Oneirophobia]

Where she was captured, Tortured and killed? Lol totes honorable. Lmfao.

How does any of that disqualify the death from being honorable? The "killed" part was my favourite though, I hate it when you're about to die honorably and then someone kills you.

[Super Kami Dende]

Where she defended her people and her lands the best she could until her last breathe. More than I can say about a lot of other leaders.

She was getting tortured for Arthas' amusement when she drew her last breath. She wasn't defending anyone when she died.

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How does any of that disqualify the death from being honorable? The "killed" part was my favourite though, I hate it when you're about to die honorably and then someone kills you.

Because she died in captivity like a pig.

[Broken Fox]

Saurfang is the kind of warchief the Horde needs, not only because of "honor in battle", but also because he would never allow things to come where they've come under Sylvanas. I hope he becomes warchief during or after BfA.

If it was gonna happen, it would have happened already. Plus he’s old as balls and doesn’t want the job anyway. He works better as a number 2. It’s like when people clamor for Rexxar to be Warchief despite the fact that he fucking hates most people/politics and had to practically be begged to join the Horde in the first place.

People build shit up in their heads and get mad when the story doesn’t follow their head canon haha

[Syegfryed]

Before they pulled back behind the sheild due to dragons, Sylvanas lead the elves fighting the orcs.

but did count as a war? i remember just a few battles with some orcs+trolls, not a big deal to call literally a war, but yeah is just member things from war2

I'd say fighting the 7th legion, the Stormpike, the Gilnaens and the Alliance in the plague lands counts as a small war.

but im not talking about against who, but the way itself , the way she conquer and win the battles was basically guerrilla kind of thing

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If it was gonna happen, it would have happened already

is not how it works, they would need to remove sylvanas, and they can't do ala vol'jin again.

Plus he’s old as balls

dont matter...

and doesn’t want the job anyway.

This is what would make him the best tough, and would be interest, besides sylvans didn't want too, and where she is now?

He works better as a number 2. It’s like when people clamor for Rexxar to be Warchief despite the fact that he fucking hates most people/politics and had to practically be begged to join the Horde in the first place.

he don't want leadership indeed, but he didn't beg to join, he join because he want, he is a "hero" like us, not a leader, but it could change

[Broken Fox]

but did count as a war? i remember just a few battles with some orcs+trolls, not a big deal to call literally a war, but yeah is just member things from war2



but im not talking about against who, but the way itself , the way she conquer and win the battles was basically guerrilla kind of thing

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is not how it works, they would need to remove sylvanas, and they can't do ala vol'jin again.



dont matter...


This is what would make him the best tough, and would be interest, besides sylvans didn't want too, and where she is now?



he don't want leadership indeed, but he didn't beg to join, he join because he want, he is a "hero" like us, not a leader, but it could change

Yeah but it won't. Saurfang's awesome but he'll most likely die in BFA. Let it go.

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She was getting tortured for Arthas' amusement when she drew her last breath. She wasn't defending anyone when she died.

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Because she died in captivity like a pig.

Nah giving your life to defend your home and resisting to your last breath is most definitely honorable. Stop being a trolly little hoe.

[Syegfryed]

Yeah but it won't. Saurfang's awesome but he'll most likely die in BFA. Let it go.

They will not kill the last important orc figure, who most people like, just to promote sylvanas like they did with vol'jin, is a shot in the foot.

besides, they prob will put Baine as warchief because Golden, and how every race is taking their spot.

[Felfaadaern Darkterror]

It’s amazing how many people fail to see this.

The context is that Saurfang and Sylvanas are making their last stand in Lordaeron. Saurfang says he wants to stay and fight to the death (it’s what orcs do) and Sylvanas gets pissed at him because Saurfang is being suicidal, again.

She tells him that honor means nothing to someone like her, and unless he wants to die in vain, it’s better to retreat and fight another day instead of yelling lok’tar ogar all the time.

So she has a point, but as usual she said it in her no chill Sylvanas way.

She tells him maybe she will rez his broken body and force him to serve her after death (as the Lich King did to his son), and adds "or maybe you'll finally get to see your son". But no, she wasn't taunting. She was just being a royal ass.

No wonder Saurfang prefers talking to Anduin. At least the Wrynn family has shown the Saurfang family decency and respect.

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They will not kill the last important orc figure, who most people like, just to promote sylvanas like they did with vol'jin, is a shot in the foot.

besides, they prob will put Baine as warchief because Golden, and how every race is taking their spot.

They killed the only troll with any lore attached. I don't know what to expect from Blizz anymore. Still pissed about how they treated Vol'jin, tbh.

[Maxilian]

Sylvanus has been acting like a nazi since Cataclysm. Just play the Worgen start area, fucking Garrosh is the less extreme one, trying to tell her not to use the plague: which she proceeds to use anyways. That also shows she ignored her Warchief's orders, which just proves that she isn't even loyal to the Horde at all.

Sounds like someone who obtained this position of power only to destroy it from the inside for her own gain.

Not saying that Sylvanas is good but...

The whole Gilneas debacle was Garrosh fault, he forced the Forsaken to fight the Gilneas, he was even using the Forsaken as cannon fodder, making sure as many of them died in the process cause they were not part of "his horde", so having Sylvanas ignore Garrosh order is not much of a stretch, nor anything to do with loyalty, you could even say the Forsaken were betrayed by Garrosh.

NOTE: Sylvanas short story (if you wish to check this)

[Acherus01]

If she controls Saurfang, she controls the orcs. Obviously she wants to keep him close.

[Super Kami Dende]

Nah giving your life to defend your home and resisting to your last breath is most definitely honorable. Stop being a trolly little hoe.

being captured and tortured like a pig isn't honorable. It's why Samurais and Japanese Soldiers would commit Seppuku to avoid a dishonorable death in captivity.

Sylvanas is a shit tier character.