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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    There's no attack on her parents, at all. You're manufacturing that out of nothing.
    People are trying to make their individual immigration status public in order to attack Trump, so it is an attack on them personally and a serious invasion of privacy.

    It is abusing named immigrants for political reasons, it is gutter politics.

    If you have an issue with Trump’s policies, then attack those policies, but don’t bring the status of innocent named individuals into it, because that is completely cuntish.

    As far as anybody is aware they haven’t done anything wrong, so the answer to the question posed in the headline is “Because it’s nobody’s business but theirs” and that is where the conversation should end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    How dare Endus go after the status of immigrants.

    This is so rich I think I need a dentist lol.
    They are named individuals, who haven’t done anything beyond having a daughter a few decades back.

  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    I think the better question is Where in the World is Melania Trump.

    Seriously, she's like invisible.
    And that's why no one cares about her. Hillary and Michelle were very involved in their husbands terms in office, Melania has no such public influence which is why Trumpers don't care about her or her parents immigration history.

  3. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by Vynny View Post
    And that's why no one cares about her. Hillary and Michelle were very involved in their husbands terms in office, Melania has no such public influence which is why Trumpers don't care about her or her parents immigration history.
    She actually is very active, but the media don't give her much attention because they rather focus on Trump. They only bring her in whenever they claim they are having relationship problems or whatever.

    A good example I think how much power the media has, your (and others) view of her is basically given shape by how often you get to see her and in which way they decide to show it.
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  4. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    No, I'm pointing out that if he was consistent, and truly believed his own rhetoric, he would attack them.
    Maybe if you only read his rhetoric condensed to one-sentence soundbites.

    Quoting from State of Union:
    The fourth and final pillar protects the nuclear family by ending chain migration. Under the current broken system, a single immigrant can bring in virtually unlimited numbers of distant relatives. Under our plan, we focus on the immediate family by limiting sponsorships to spouses and minor children. This vital reform is necessary, not just for our economy, but for our security, and our future.
    In recent weeks, two terrorist attacks in New York were made possible by the visa lottery and chain migration. In the age of terrorism, these programs present risks we can no longer afford.
    It is time to reform these outdated immigration rules, and finally bring our immigration system into the 21st century.


    Immediate and obvious exception is "in age of terrorism" - Melania parents possibly weren't using chain migration "in age of terrorism", so it was ok back then and isn't ok now. Situation changes with time.

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    Any intelligent person knows the only reason this is a story is because it gives the shills in the media something to talk about besides Russia's collusion with the DNC and FBI. It also allows them to avoid talking about Hillary selling our Uranium off to Russian Companies. That's the real story here.

  6. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    They are named individuals, who haven’t done anything beyond having a daughter a few decades back.
    So it's not okay to go after the immigration status if said possibly undocumented immigrants have names?

    And what do you mean - we don't know if they "haven't done anything" until we see their papers, nein?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Penguin View Post
    It also allows them to avoid talking about Hillary selling our Uranium off to Russian Companies. That's the real story here.
    A thread about the immigration status of Melania's parents, and the real story is HillaREEEEEEE?

    Ahahahaha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Penguin View Post
    Any intelligent person knows the only reason this is a story is because it gives the shills in the media something to talk about besides Russia's collusion with the DNC and FBI. It also allows them to avoid talking about Hillary selling our Uranium off to Russian Companies. That's the real story here.
    Well, it also demonstrates the utter hypocrisy of Trump and his undying supporters, so there's also that.
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  8. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    He literally asked why we want people coming here from shithole countries. He restricted immigration from multiple countries. He pushed to greatly restrict certain visa applications.

    He has literally called to end the type of immigration that has Melania's parents in the country. That's blatant hypocrisy on his part.

    also, saying someone is pro legal immigration doesn't mean a lot. It's what they want to be legal that is the real issue, and Trump has consistently pushed for more restrictions. That's like saying California politicians are in favor of gun ownership, just not illegal gun ownership.
    That's a fair point to contest my argument about his immigration stance, but I don't think you took away what I was trying to get across, so let me see if I can explain this a little bit better.

    I do not think that this particular topic is something to discuss as much as some of the other things Trump has done/is doing. Whether or not Melania's parents are here legally or illegally does not really matter, and throwing them into a political discussion actually feels wrong in a way. As a matter of fact, even though I am against Trump in office right now, I do like Melania and the issues she is pursuing.

    Either way, I can see how some of what I said would be taken as a not-sound argument, but it wasn't really what I was eluding to.

  9. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    It's rather simple, his problem is with brown people, not with the parents of trophy wives. Yes, he's a hypocrite. No, his followers will not care. yes, they will bend over backwards to justify it.
    Calling a woman a trophy wife is highly sexist and degrading. Stop sounding like a rapist.

  10. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by M-Ra View Post
    Calling a woman a trophy wife is highly sexist and degrading. Stop sounding like a rapist.
    Well, she is a trophy wife, so don't be an ignorant fool and think otherwise. There can also be trophy husbands, your comment is idiotic to the extreme.

    Maybe you should call people sexist and rape apologists when you are trying to defend Trump. Just a thought.
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  11. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Well, she is a trophy wife, so don't be an ignorant fool and think otherwise. There can also be trophy husbands, your comment is idiotic to the extreme.
    Calling a woman a trophy wife is degrading her as a human being. This is not comparable to calling a man a trophy husband, as woman already suffered a history of societal degration and oppression. So just stop sounding like a rapist.

  12. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Maybe if you only read his rhetoric condensed to one-sentence soundbites.

    Quoting from State of Union:
    The fourth and final pillar protects the nuclear family by ending chain migration. Under the current broken system, a single immigrant can bring in virtually unlimited numbers of distant relatives. Under our plan, we focus on the immediate family by limiting sponsorships to spouses and minor children. This vital reform is necessary, not just for our economy, but for our security, and our future.
    In recent weeks, two terrorist attacks in New York were made possible by the visa lottery and chain migration. In the age of terrorism, these programs present risks we can no longer afford.
    It is time to reform these outdated immigration rules, and finally bring our immigration system into the 21st century.


    Immediate and obvious exception is "in age of terrorism" - Melania parents possibly weren't using chain migration "in age of terrorism", so it was ok back then and isn't ok now. Situation changes with time.
    Assuming you consider "the Age of Terrorism" to have begun on 9/11/2001, Melania's parents absolutely WERE using chain migration "in age of terrorism" - Melania got her green card in 2001, and sponsored her parents after the fact.
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  13. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by M-Ra View Post
    Calling a woman a trophy wife is degrading her as a human being. This is not comparable to calling a man a trophy husband, as woman already suffered a history of societal degration and oppression. So just stop sounding like a rapist.
    You are devaluing the impact of the word "rapist" by evoking it in this context. There are so many more appropriate ways to describe what he said.
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  14. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by M-Ra View Post
    Calling a woman a trophy wife is degrading her as a human being. This is not comparable to calling a man a trophy husband, as woman already suffered a history of societal degration and oppression. So just stop sounding like a rapist.
    Then she simply chose to degrade herself. You really should toughen the hell up, and stop being such a pansy.

    You are being ridiculous.
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  15. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by M-Ra View Post
    Calling a woman a trophy wife is degrading her as a human being. This is not comparable to calling a man a trophy husband, as woman already suffered a history of societal degration and oppression. So just stop sounding like a rapist.
    Did she ask you to defend her? Seems to me you're defending a person who hasn't asked you to defend them. That degrades her as a human being, since you're deciding on her behalf what she can or can't be called. Taking that kind of control over another human being is exactly what a rapist would do, are you trying to sound like a rapist on purpose?

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