Make American Hate Again - By the numbers.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Well It didn't make me hate again, but it sure did make it clear who my enemies were, without the excuse try to make for hating someone far off in places I never been and people I never met or know.

Americans at War with Americans seems about right.

[GreenGoldSharpie]

Anecdote time!

One of the more depressing aspects of living in a city with a prolific LGBTQ community is that you meet a lot of people from the South and the Midwest who are estranged from their families, sometimes even kicked out in their teens. Sadder still is that more than a few that I've known have fallen into substance abuse as a coping mechanism.

Yeah, I volunteer with LGBT youth, and the numbers are staggering. I know a few who went from A students to the streets overnight. Never mind the dangers of assault and emotional abuse many others faced before they're starting out too. It's also scary how easily they fall into sex work, too.

[Elegiac]

Yeah, I volunteer with LGBT youth, and the numbers are staggering. I know a few who went from A students to the streets overnight. Never mind the dangers of assault and emotional abuse many others faced before they're starting out too. It's also scary how easily they fall into sex work, too.

Yep. Met plenty of younger men at the bathhouses that have been kicked out of their homes and have ended up being escorts out of necessity.

But hey, preaching anti-LGBTQ messages totally doesn't make a church a hate group.

[GreenGoldSharpie]

Yep. Met plenty of younger men at the bathhouses that have been kicked out of their homes and have ended up being escorts out of necessity.

But hey, preaching anti-LGBTQ messages totally doesn't make a church a hate group.

It's totally in line with Christian morals!

What scares me is how many of these kids who are coming from nominally Christian homes. Their parents see themselves as hyper religious and Bible following, but they don't even go to church. They on't even have a chance for a less extreme pastor to intervene before they destroy their child.

There's something deeply sick going on in this country over this and a few other issues.

[-Nurot]

Here you go. Here's just one example.

So what you're saying is that you think the SPLC probably has under-reported the racial tensions, and the number of hate group? That the numbers are actually higher than they claim? I mean that's what you linked, claims they under reported hate crimes. That's a bold statement, but you're probably right, this report probably is underestimating, the divide, Trump helped create. It's probably much worse than we realize.

The SPLC is not a neutral source. How many times must this be pointed out?

Which part are you disputing? Inform us on how the numbers have been manipulated. You can ignore the entire verbiage in the report, but how do you think the numbers differ. Or is this, I don't like the source so I'm going to assume the numbers are false.

[Powerogue]

Interesting how this "rebranding" is taking place with the KKK. "Yeah you know maybe dressing like a cult and burning crosses wasn't really winning over the christian fundamentalist types, we should really try a new angle."

[Everwake]

So what you're saying is that you think the SPLC probably has under-reported the racial tensions, and the number of hate group? That the numbers are actually higher than they claim? I mean that's what you linked, claims they under reported hate crimes. That's a bold statement, but you're probably right, this report probably is underestimating, the divide, Trump helped create. It's probably much worse than we realize.



Which part are you disputing? Inform us on how the numbers have been manipulated. You can ignore the entire verbiage in the report, but how do you think the numbers differ. Or is this, I don't like the source so I'm going to assume the numbers are false.

Yes, I am disputing the numbers. Click on their site, visit their "hate map", click on a bunch of the icons that represent hate groups, then decide for yourself how many of these are actual hate groups.

[-Nurot]

Yes, I am disputing the numbers. Click on their site, visit their "hate map", click on a bunch of the icons that represent hate groups, then decide for yourself how many of these are actual hate groups.

Done, and done. Which groups do you contest with being on the list then?

[Dacien]

Dunno, how many churches decided to join Westboro in preaching hatred?

Yeah Westboro is very certainly a hate group.

"Churches" was a ridiculously dumb choice of words.

[Elegiac]

Yeah Westboro is very certainly a gate group.

"Churches" was a ridiculously dumb choice of words.

Know what's dumber?

Preaching hateful shit like homophobia and then whining when you get labeled a hate group.

[Dacien]

Know what's dumber?

Preaching hateful shit like homophobia and then whining when you get labeled a hate group.

This is one of those topics I wish we could dive into, I'd really love an opportunity to connect with someone on the other side of certain discussions and have a dialogue about those issues. I think there's so much division that we could bridge, but obviously certain topics are simply off-limits, including sexuality and religion.

Which makes sense on a public forum.

[Everwake]

Done, and done. Which groups do you contest with being on the list then?

"Conservative Forum of Silicon Valley". Here is their site: http://www.theconservativeforum.com/
"ACT for America". Here is their site: http://www.actforamerica.org/aboutact
"Oregonians for Immigration Reform" Here is their site: http://www.oregonir.org/

And so on. For every organization like this that I find on the map, you can find an actual hate group, and that's the issue, because the SPLC doesn't distinguish between Nazis and people who just want border security, for example. If Ayaan Hirsi Ali is an "anti-Muslim extremist" (this is the SPLC's write up on her and others: https://www.splcenter.org/20161025/j...lim-extremists ), then what is David Duke? The SPLC deliberately obfuscates the truth with blanket labeling.

[Mormolyce]

Yeah, Trump is definitely closer to "Hitler" than our past presidents... though only in that he is highly authoritarian, and there was of course this:


Donald Trump 'kept book of Adolf Hitler's speeches in his bedside cabinet'
In a 1990 interview, the billionaire businessman admitted to owning Nazi leader's 'Mein Kampf' but said he had would never read speeches
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7639041.html

Donald Trump appears to take aspects of his German background seriously. John Walter works for the Trump Organization, and when he visits Donald in his office, Ivana told a friend, he clicks his heels and says, “Heil Hitler,” possibly as a family joke.

Last April, perhaps in a surge of Czech nationalism, Ivana Trump told her lawyer Michael Kennedy that from time to time her husband reads a book of Hitler’s collected speeches, My New Order, which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed. Kennedy now guards a copy of My New Order in a closet at his office, as if it were a grenade. Hitler’s speeches, from his earliest days up through the Phony War of 1939, reveal his extraordinary ability as a master propagandist.

“Did your cousin John give you the Hitler speeches?” I asked Trump.

Trump hesitated. “Who told you that?”

“I don’t remember,” I said.

“Actually, it was my friend Marty Davis from Paramount who gave me a copy of Mein Kampf, and he’s a Jew.” (“I did give him a book about Hitler,” Marty Davis said. “But it was My New Order, Hitler’s speeches, not Mein Kampf. I thought he would find it interesting. I am his friend, but I’m not Jewish.”)

Later, Trump returned to this subject. “If I had these speeches, and I am not saying that I do, I would never read them.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/...-marie-brenner

From the original 1990 article.

Yeah, he has them. I'm sure he doesn't read them, or really anything kek.

[Elegiac]

This is one of those topics I wish we could dive into, I'd really love an opportunity to connect with someone on the other side of certain discussions and have a dialogue about those issues. I think there's so much division that we could bridge, but obviously certain topics are simply off-limits, including sexuality and religion.

Which makes sense on a public forum.

Because there's totally a dialogue and not just a clear cut case of homophobia, lol.

Whatever floats your boat.

[Theodarzna]

> Unironically using the SPLC as a legit source.

I think it might have been better to unironically cite the DNC's own website press releases.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Yeah, I volunteer with LGBT youth, and the numbers are staggering. I know a few who went from A students to the streets overnight. Never mind the dangers of assault and emotional abuse many others faced before they're starting out too. It's also scary how easily they fall into sex work, too.

Yeah, I can't imagine what kind of inhuman monsters would kick their kid out of the house and onto the streets just for coming out as LGBT.

Oh wait... I can...

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> Unironically using the SPLC as a legit source.

I think it might have been better to unironically cite the DNC's own website press releases.

Please please please please please claim you are and independently minded American, or that you're woke, or something similar so we can have another good laugh.

[Machismo]

This is one of those topics I wish we could dive into, I'd really love an opportunity to connect with someone on the other side of certain discussions and have a dialogue about those issues. I think there's so much division that we could bridge, but obviously certain topics are simply off-limits, including sexuality and religion.

Which makes sense on a public forum.

When it comes to homophobia, and wanting to take away the freedoms of others, because they are gay... that's one of those areas where certain groups simply have far too much hate within them.

[Dacien]

When it comes to homophobia, and wanting to take away the freedoms of others, because they are gay... that's one of those areas where certain groups simply have far too much hate within them.

Well those are exactly the kinds of things those two groups could discuss misconceptions about, and join in against groups who do want to take away freedoms for people.

[Orbitus]

Someone needs to keep an eye on it because the president isn't going to watch his very fine people.

Considering Trump cut the part of the government that watches the domestic terrorists, that are primarily white, I wouldn't hold my breath.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-s...-wing-violence

[Machismo]

> Unironically using the SPLC as a legit source.

I think it might have been better to unironically cite the DNC's own website press releases.

Maybe you can provide a better source for a list of all the known hate groups in the nations. We have asked of this from the other poster who complained about the source, but he did not provide anything.

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Well those are exactly the kinds of things those two groups could discuss misconceptions about, and join in against groups who do want to take away freedoms for people.

There's not really any misconceptions. One group wanted to deny gay people 14th Amendment rights. They tried to say it was about "love" but it was really about their homophobic traditions. Luckily, the homophobes lost. Freedom doesn't often win, but it did with that ruling.