Trump - Arm Teachers, rais gun buying age to 21

[PACOX]

Arming teachers fixing nothing. Its idiotic and dystopian. For one just, just think about what they are implying...our schools are so bad that they require armed teachers. A place of learning fulled with nothing but children requires armed personnel. How many other civilian (hell even most government buildings have a resource officer or rented cop at best) require their workers to be armed? Are there really no alternatives? There are but no ones that would make the NRA money.

The second point is its proposed that only a few of these teachers are armed...so like in Parkland the shooter just avoids those areas or in other cases shoots who they want to shoot before killing themself/being gunned down. Nothing changed.


Third, it does not address mass shootings outside of schools. You know like Vegas, Pulse, Aurora, San Bernardino.

Fourth, if they really wanted to ban bump stocks then they would have done it months ago. The current administration and Congress can pull BS out of their collective asses like repealing child insurance, repealing the individual mandate, fucking up the budget, but banning something that should have never been legal in the first place takes 6 months?

[Vanyali]

I first went deer hunting in a northern Wisconsin winter at 11, I kinda wish I had been older. Most of what I remember of that trip was that it was crazy cold, miserable, and my grandfather was a jackass. My point though is why 21? What actual, concrete, definable difference is it going to make? Is there any reason, whatsoever, to believe that the change will impact the mass shooting rate at all? I don't want a trophy victory that people can point at to say "Look, we did something" when it doesn't actually have any effect. I want concrete changes that make a difference. Gun control victories are few and hard-fought, it's a waste to kick the hornet's nest on the topic and piss off gun rights advocates if what you're doing isn't actually saving lives.

It means that teenages going through a point in their life where they're basically defined as irrational and hormonal don't have the ability to legally buy a gun, which is a good start. Adults committing mass murder with guns is another issue, but we don't need to allow 16 y/o kids the ability to buy a gun when they're really not responsible enough for it. Either that, or say they ARE responsible enough for a gun, but also voting, drinking, smoking, etc. Either they are or they aren't, but playing this yes and no game should really end.

[Lynarii]

It means that teenages going through a point in their life where they're basically defined as irrational and hormonal don't have the ability to legally buy a gun, which is a good start. Adults committing mass murder with guns is another issue, but we don't need to allow 16 y/o kids the ability to buy a gun when they're really not responsible enough for it. Either that, or say they ARE responsible enough for a gun, but also voting, drinking, smoking, etc. Either they are or they aren't, but playing this yes and no game should really end.

See, that I agree with. My issue is not with age restrictions, but the random shotgun nature of them. You have to be 16 for this, 18 for that, 19 for this other thing, and 21 for this... and there's little rhyme or reason to which is which. Why are people allowed the very adult responsibility of owning and operating a car at 16 (and car accidents kill a LOT of people every year) but they can't normally be held criminally responsible as an adult until 18? We literally say that they can drive a car before we feel they're capable of understanding that it's bad to kill someone with it. Why can a person enlist in the US army at 18 if they aren't responsible enough to own a gun until 21?

If the US wants to define 21 as the age where a person is considered responsible, that's fine, but be consistent about it. Arbitrarily changing the number for a single specific thing as a reactionary response just leads to stupid.

[Edge-]

http://www.businessinsider.com/veter...18-2?r=UK&IR=T

Even veterans are pointing out how comically stupid the idea of arming teachers is. Because it is truly comically stupid.

[szechuan]

lol of course... the NRA's goal is to increase guns.

[Mayhem]

If a potential “sicko shooter” knows that a school has a large number of very weapons talented teachers (and others) who will be instantly shooting, the sicko will NEVER attack that school. Cowards won’t go there...problem solved. Must be offensive, defense alone won’t work!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...60169194229761

You can't make this up.

[Dontrike]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...60169194229761

You can't make this up.

I'd love to know what he means by "must be offensive". The point of having armed people at schools is to defend, not to attack. Does he think those armed at the school are actively going out to find this "sicko"?

Barring that what he said is mostly stupid, it gets even dumber when you pick it apart.

[Hilhen7]

See, that I agree with. My issue is not with age restrictions, but the random shotgun nature of them. You have to be 16 for this, 18 for that, 19 for this other thing, and 21 for this... and there's little rhyme or reason to which is which. Why are people allowed the very adult responsibility of owning and operating a car at 16 (and car accidents kill a LOT of people every year) but they can't normally be held criminally responsible as an adult until 18? We literally say that they can drive a car before we feel they're capable of understanding that it's bad to kill someone with it. Why can a person enlist in the US army at 18 if they aren't responsible enough to own a gun until 21?

If the US wants to define 21 as the age where a person is considered responsible, that's fine, but be consistent about it. Arbitrarily changing the number for a single specific thing as a reactionary response just leads to stupid.

21 is the minimum age where you can purchase alcoholic beverages but not necessarily the age where you can consume it. For example your family may give you an alcoholic beverage in the privacy of your home legally in certain states.

The restrictions on driving a car vary by state. Age for statutory rape varies by state.

Federal law prohibits selling a "long gun" to anyone under 18, but there is no law stating how old you need to be to posses such a gun. Even if the law is changed so that you need to be 21 to purchase a gun, what's to stop your NRA gun nut from giving his 12 year old a rifle / assault rifle, nothing,

[Felya]

I'd love to know what he means by "must be offensive". The point of having armed people at schools is to defend, not to attack. Does he think those armed at the school are actively going out to find this "sicko"?

Barring that what he said is mostly stupid, it gets even dumber when you pick it apart.

Yeah, not the best idea to go on the offensive, shooting instantly, when you think a kid has a gun. Hopefully kids take the idea of not bringing toy guns to school more seriously.

[Mayhem]

I'd love to know what he means by "must be offensive". The point of having armed people at schools is to defend, not to attack. Does he think those armed at the school are actively going out to find this "sicko"?

Barring that what he said is mostly stupid, it gets even dumber when you pick it apart.

Considering he also wrote that the guns should be consealed and only about 20% of teachers would be armed i wonder how they will be able to instantly shoot someone.

[Somewhatconcerned]

I prefer what some of the school districts and cities did around where I live a few years ago.

Which is they expand the local collage campus police force to included all the city's schools and constructed a police dispatch station on the larger campuses.

Keeps the the teachers as teachers while providing a rapid response encase of a shooter.

Now this makes more sense than giving a 3rd grade math teacher a gun and asking him to be John McClain.

[Wyrt]

This is just trying to pass the blame on to the teachers. "That teacher didn't want a gun, it's his fault!" "That teach wasn't properly trained, it's her fault!"

Anything to not blame the guns that are the problem.

[Azadina]

What then?

Doh, more guns of course! Then higher capacity magazines, then fully automatic weapons, then heavy weapons.

[Dontrike]

Doh, more guns of course! Then higher capacity magazines, then fully automatic weapons, then heavy weapons.

Gotta get those kids running around like Team Fortress 2 and then blame them for acting like Team Fortress 2 after they act like Team Fortress 2.

[Wyrt]

The argument is, in order to protect school children teachers must become killers? Looks pretty broken.

It's basically, "the government is going to do nothing to protect children so teachers will have to," which is a very shitty argument and is a very bad look for the government.

[Felya]

Trump just cannot catch a break... after his armed guards argument, it turns out an armed guard was at the school... he took a defensive position...

[Edge-]

Trump just cannot catch a break... after his armed guards argument, it turns out an armed guard was at the school... he took a defensive position...

And was suspended without pay and resigned - https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/...474889753.html

[Mormolyce]

You mean like the CO school shooter who was stopped by an armed deputy sheriff?

You talking about this one?

While the meme suggested that the shooter was neutralized before he was able to harm anyone, he did in fact shoot one student, 17-year-old Claire Davis, who later died of her injuries (He also shot at other persons at the school but missed hitting them.) The shooter was not actually “confronted” and stopped by an armed school resource officer, but rather he died at his own hand after failing to ignite an improvised weapon as a deputy was closing in on him.

https://www.snopes.com/arapahoe-scho...ped-armed-sro/

Snopes before you post, bro.

[Felya]

You talking about this one?

https://www.snopes.com/arapahoe-scho...ped-armed-sro/

Snopes before you post, bro.

The links at the bottom about the shit alt right is trying to pull is just insane.

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You mean like the CO school shooter who was stopped by an armed deputy sheriff?

Can’t use that anymore... there was an armed security guard at this shooting... he took a defensive position and didn’t help shit.

[Kallisto]

The links at the bottom about the shit alt right is trying to pull is just insane.

Saw this as a link

https://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/reaganak47.asp

And more and more I see what old Ronny did and say the more I realise that the Alt Right which seem to praise the guy would if he were alive today saying same things would be called a Californain Hollywood communist.