Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Obelisk Kai]

No, straight backs are unreasonable, it requires extra work, and it is extra thing on top of great races like zandalari trolls, who even shouldnt have different druid forms except travel forms, but hordies cried and they got what they wanted even though it was extra work

Did either of them involve giving the Horde something that was currently unique to the Alliance?

No?

Then your comparison doesn't work.

[Andromedes]

Did either of them involve giving the Horde something that was currently unique to the Alliance?

No?

Then your comparison doesn't work.

We got literal blood elves, who were part of the horde, we didnt get high elves, who never were on the horde side. So i dont know what you are talking about.

[Shakou]

We got literal blood elves, who were part of the horde, we didnt get high elves, who never were on the horde side. So i dont know what you are talking about.

You literally don't know what you're talking about, including but not limited to what the definition of LITERAL is.

Blood Elves LITERALLY (as in ACTUALLY) are HIGH ELVES. It's *GET THIS* just a name and it'sa name they changed to Blood Elves after Arthas and the Scourge invaded Quel'Thalas and tainted the Sunwell.

This is why you don't have and never will ever ever ever get playable HIGH ELVES on the Alliance, because they are already a playable race in the game.

[Andromedes]

You heard it folks, british people are literally americans.

[Shakou]

You heard it folks, british people are literally americans.

That doesn't even make sense in response to what I posted, Blood Elves still live in Quel'Thalas. You're basically arguing that British people from Great Britain are not British if they call themselves English or something along those lines.

You can keep asking for playable High Elves on the Alliance all you want, you're just never going to get them and that's the point. It is flat out never happening for sure 100%, the trade off is that you can be a Void Elf.

[Obelisk Kai]

We got literal blood elves, who were part of the horde, we didnt get high elves, who never were on the horde side. So i dont know what you are talking about.

See this is why this debate can be dumb.

I don't get your response you know. It would be fine if the devs hadn't said anything on this and we were just expressing our conflicting opinions, I could say Blood Elves are High Elves and you can say they're not and we can go around in circles for the rest of time, except we don't have to as that isn't the case anymore.

Because the game director came out and said High Elves are Blood Elves.

Now you can try and convince Blizzard to change their mind and that is your right. But what you don't get to do is debate using something which is not an opinion anymore, but is wilfully wrong. You know as far as Blizzard is concerned High Elves are Blood Elves. So when I say High Elves are part of the Horde, I have plenty of evidence to back that up.

Your wrong opinion does not trump Ion's word of god. All I hear when bringing up Ion's comment is a deep denial, or gliding past his words, or trying to pretend he didn't say what he said but he did say them and his words matter. OR bringing up small mistakes they made on stage which were corrected and they accepted. I mean you like quoting the example of Falstad right?

Now leaving aside the fact that comparing playable races to a mistake on a relatively obscure point of lore, Blizzard corrected the Falstad issue once it was brought to your attention. It became a meme in fact. There was good humour there.

Now after Ion's speech I don't see any Blizzard dev recanting that or saying he was wrong. There are no in game NPCs of Northem going 'See High Elves ARE different and I told you so'. The addition of Void Elves, the obvious compromise between playable Alliance High Elves and the genuine High Elves on the Horde, strongly suggests they feel the complete opposite.

Then you bring up classic servers, how Blizzard held out for YEARS against them but finally broke when the demand became too great. Fair enough, leaving aside the fact that classic servers was a much worthier cause (in that being able to play a long gone version of the game that a lot of people have a great deal of affection for is probably a more meaningful cause than the pixels you like are currently on the wrong in game faction), if Blizzard EVER do change your mind you can come back and gloat at us spiteful people as you said earlier.

Until that time, High Elves are Blood Elves.

High Elves are therefore playable.

And you have no leg to stand on when you say High Elves are not playable.

[Andromedes]

That doesn't even make sense in response to what I posted, Blood Elves still live in Quel'Thalas. You're basically arguing that British people from Great Britain are not British if they call themselves English or something along those lines.

You can keep asking for playable High Elves on the Alliance all you want, you're just never going to get them and that's the point. It is flat out never happening for sure 100%, the trade off is that you can be a Void Elf.

ah i see, no point of arguing with you, when you dont understand simple comparison.. also you are one of those who say what is happening and what is not., so really no point

Why are you even bothering with Obelisk Kai... You'll never get through he's Irish ffs.

Before I get called on my heritage is Irish, The one thing I do get from this heritage is the stubboness and I am one stubborn bitch.

I dont even know why i respond to him, i have him in ignore, but i am also curious what what he writes, aaand it is the same shit over and over, i wonder why is he so adamantly responding to every high elf thread.. You dont see him in "nathanos undead as an allied race" threads, saying:"just roll human dk if you want to play undead human with meat" or some other bullshit comment..

[Obelisk Kai]

ah i see, no point of arguing with you, when you dont understand simple comparison.. also you are one of those who say what is happening and what is not., so really no point



I dont even know why i respond to him, i have him in ignore, but i am also curious what what he writes, aaand it is the same shit over and over, i wonder why is he so adamantly responding to every high elf thread.. You dont see him in "nathanos undead as an allied race" threads, saying:"just roll human dk if you want to play undead human with meat" or some other bullshit comment..

Because I think Nathanos like undead is a stupid idea. They wrote a lore story explaining why Nathanos is unique. See I actually pay attention to the lore and the stor and dont ignore it. If it means no human like undead then no human like undead. If it means no zandalari paladins then no zandalari paladins.

As to why my responses are the same...what are they supposed to change? A reason valid last week is still a valid reason.

Or are we marking time until you can say Ion said that ages ago so it doesn't count?

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Why are you even bothering with Obelisk Kai... You'll never get through he's Irish ffs.

Before I get called on my heritage is Irish, The one thing I do get from this heritage is the stubboness and I am one stubborn bitch.

Well I'm calling you out on it. There was and is no reason to bring up my nationality except in how you segued into an act of self promotion by stating how stubborn you were. Transparent, shallow and irrelevant comment.

[Deleted]

Void Elves is a unfortunate compromise between having High Elves race and making it look different from Blood Elfs. BUT this would do just as good, if not better. I salute you for such a great idea and concept.

But at this point, it's way too late. Hifh Elves have been implemented already and we WON'T be getting third Blood Elf race. Whether that's a good or bad thing.

[Obelisk Kai]

Here's to hoping Lor'themar goes back on his word and decides to cut the Alliance "High Elves" access to the Sunwell once the war kicks in to full scale. Maybe pushing Lore so that the remaining High Elves are presented with the option of turning Wretched or going Void. Would negate all this stupidity in one solid blow without technically having to kill what little SC/High Elves there are.

I'd prefer them to have the High Elfs in the Alliance integrate into their host societies and playable half elves...a human model base... come from that. At this point even killing them off would be a waste of valuable story time. Dont even think they can cut them off from the sunwell...

[Emode]

Their back story is that they were forced to watch glam-rock music videos 24/7 until they were saved by the alliance?

[Friendlyimmolation]

I'd prefer them to have the High Elfs in the Alliance integrate into their host societies and playable half elves...a human model base... come from that. At this point even killing them off would be a waste of valuable story time. Dont even think they can cut them off from the sunwell...

Lor'themar couldn't Rommath could.

[Deleted]

What if Blizzard give us a long questline were Blood Elves can turn their eyes blue as they clean the corruption of his eyes?

Then what you will do?, join the Horde?

Nothing will change for me, I'll just continue to not play the game as I am doing now . The only thing that this will do is reduce the chances of me returning to WoW to 0%.

[Traycor]

Their back story is that they were forced to watch glam-rock music videos 24/7 until they were saved by the alliance?

I lol'd at this. Awesome

[Andromedes]

Because I think Nathanos like undead is a stupid idea.

Or are we marking time until you can say Ion said that ages ago so it doesn't count?

You can always revive fresh corpses.. being revived doesnt mean, that you lose immediately 50% of your flesh and have bare knees and elbows..

Ion said we are getting only unique travel forms for zandalari druid

[KyrtF]

What if Blizzard give us a long questline were Blood Elves can turn their eyes blue as they clean the corruption of his eyes?

Then what you will do?, join the Horde?

Then they'd still be glorious Blood Elfs instead of filthy High Elfs.

Lets face it....those who just want the model switched years ago. And the demand for High Elfs still comes up.

I can understand. It's why I like Blood Elfs. It's more than just the model...it's what it means to be a member of the faction. Proof? Blizzard just gave the Alliance the model....and the call for High Elfs seems even stronger than its been for quite some time.

What drew me to the Blood Elfs was more than just their model. It was their outlook. Their way of looking at things. Their willingness to do just about anything to survive.

They were different from stereotypical Tolkien fantasy Elfs...and that made them interesting to play.

I might think that High Elfs are boring.....but I can accept that the same factors which drew me to Blood Elfs can draw people to play High Elfs. The assertion that people would be happy with "blue eyed High Elfs" to me has always been utter nonsense because it assumes all that is of interest is the model. And that isn't the case.

There is a whole faction identity bound up in High Elfs that being a Blood Elf...or even a Void Elf...will not (indeed, cannot) meet. It is the same reason why I do not play a High Elf in the Horde. I am a BLOOD ELF and likewise, that comes with an identity that makes them interesting and fun for me to play. But that faction identity also means we can never be a substitute for High Elfs.

I understand that and so I have never been against giving High Elfs to the Alliance. The only thing I wanted was to keep my model unique. I didn't want the Alliance to have it.

But I can't have that. Not anymore. I don't like it, but Blizzard have decided that unique models are no longer part of a factional identity. I really truly do not like that.

But it is a done decision.

So now? Now I am for the Alliance getting High Elfs. I think Blizzard could do a fair bit to make them different from Blood Elfs, progress their story, bump up their numbers, give them a different model or whatever.

I've even offered a suggestion....the Silver Covenant are seen as radicals holding onto the old ways while the rest move to nature. To embrace their Night Elf heritage. So....Roman style culture. No Paladins. No Priests. No Mages. And Warlocks and Death Knights arise from the San'layn, the Darkfallen who are returning home...to the High Elfs.

And you'd get High Elf druids and Shaman. There are 3 or 4 existing bases that could be built up for them. You wouldn't necessarily need to keep the Blood Elf skeleton either...they could use human or Night Elf skeletons just as easily.


That set up would give the Alliance High Elfs, bit very different from.Blood Elfs.

But really....I just want them to shut up and the only way that will happen is if Alliance get their High Elfs and the identity that comes with it.

But I think this argument you and others keep making that implies people just want the model belittles those of us who choose a race for additional reasons and ignores the core reason why High Elfs are so important to Alliance players.

I might think High Elfs would be boring....but that doesn't mean I don't understand the reasons why people want them.

[Deleted]

You literally don't know what you're talking about, including but not limited to what the definition of LITERAL is.

Blood Elves LITERALLY (as in ACTUALLY) are HIGH ELVES. It's *GET THIS* just a name and it'sa name they changed to Blood Elves after Arthas and the Scourge invaded Quel'Thalas and tainted the Sunwell.

This is why you don't have and never will ever ever ever get playable HIGH ELVES on the Alliance, because they are already a playable race in the game.

The problem with retards like Ion don't understand is that it is simply not true. We see High Elves as distinct from Blood Elves. In fact, they are one of the Alliance Races with the most Screentime, certainly more than Night Elves or Gnomes. And this is why its such a bitch move not to make them playable.

Imagine how it would feel if you would see Goblins all the time doing shit for the Horde but Blizz refuses to make them playable despite giving them a hugh portion of screentime for your faction.


I mean, the hugh backlash against High Elves is nothing but pure spite. Many hardcore Horde Fanboys are simply rather miserable and the way how strongly they immerse themselves into every bitchslap against the Alliance is kinda indicating how it seems like the Horde is more attractive towards people with personal issues and anger issues. Which is understandable, but Horde is portrayed as this badass misunderstood underdogs which is the way how many kids and teenagers who get bullied view themselves.

[Obelisk Kai]

It was not meant in offense i just know how stubborn Irish are my entire family is and I know there's no point in debating shit with you.

Fine, I will accept it was not meant in offense.

Maybe we are getting too aggressive about this. In the end it is just a video game, albeit one we are both passionate about.

Isn't it sad you say there is no point debating stuff with me?

I mean look at it from my perspective, this is literally my berserk button in terms of Warcraft stuff. Andromedes pointed out I don't post much in other threads on other similar topics. It seems I actually agree with him in some cases. I think human like Undead is a dumb idea after all. I feel if you want to look like a Human you should like a human.

Yesterday I posted links to interviews and such with the developers, had to google them, and they brought up old mmo champion threads from four or five years ago where I was debating this very same topic. I have debated this for so long with so many people that my responses are, well, rote. I know them inside and out.

I don't want to deny the Alliance High Elves for the sake of it. But I genuinely feel that Blood Elves and High Elves are the same thing, that this is one of the very few fantasy universes (the only one I am aware of) where High Elves fight on the same side on Orcs. I found that idea, of Orcs and High Elves being on the same side against Humans, astonishing in it's originality.

So I see it as a diminishing. Give High Elves to the Alliance, and that special conception of what High Elves is in Warcraft is undercut. Suddenly the High Elves aren't original anymore. They are the same as in any other fantasy franchise. And the Blood Elves become just another group of nasty elves fighting alongside the Orcs.

I do get the desire for Alliance High Elves. I understand that for some it is because Warcraft 2 meant a lot to them and they wish to recreate the Alliance as it was from that. For others it's because the trope of a Human, Dwarf and a High Elf on the same side is powerfully alluring.

But I really, truly feel that playable High Elves aren't worth the cost of what they would mean to Blood Elf players who care about the story for another race players can use, that looks exactly the same as they do, to call themselves High Elves. Or even if the looks were modified, to call themselves High Elves. Or to Void Elves who find themselves being the blue version of the true Alliance thalassian race. Or to the Horde in losing one of our unique selling points as THE place you can come to experience the genuine High Elf fantasy that is common across so many franchises.

I think there was a time High Elves could have been introduced to WoW without a problem. But that was Classic. In so many ways the story and most players have moved too far on now.

So I hope that helps you better understand my rationale.

You can always revive fresh corpses.. being revived doesnt mean, that you lose immediately 50% of your flesh and have bare knees and elbows..

Ion said we are getting only unique travel forms for zandalari druid

But that only proves he can change his mind. Which is possible. But until he does change his mind, what he said has to stand.

[Andromedes]

Then stop quoting him all the time as his word is holy when he changes his mind and also admits, that he is no lore guy.

[EbaumsTipster]

The problem with retards like Ion don't understand is that it is simply not true. We see High Elves as distinct from Blood Elves.

So it's Blizzards fault that you're retarded?