Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

He says that the children of silvermoon must be united. he have the title of high elf representative would be a good example of how the high elves joined the horde as we saw them in WOTLK

How does joining the Horde stays true to his desire to reunite the children of Silvermoon? He's literally there as a representative for those outside the Quel'thalas government, he's literally being neutral to the whole situation.

Of course some of those pilgrims could have rejoined the Horde, but Auric's whole point there is to represent the interest of High Elves outside of the government. He should remain neutral.

[Rhlor]

Who's upset? I'm merely pointing out that it's not necessary.

well then I guess it doesn't bother you that Auric becomes an npc in silvermoon

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Blood elves may have their old high elf appearance (blue eyes) because the Sunwell is purified, I think it makes more sense.
The high elves of the alliance will surely be in the personalization of the void elves.

the developers specifically said that they are the high elves that we saw in the game and that they were not playable

[Kyriani]

well then I guess it doesn't bother you that Auric becomes an npc in silvermoon

It wouldn't bother me if Blizzard changed his faction in the slightest. I just don't see it happening. More than likely the only effort Blizzard will spare, if any, is tossing a few generics around Silvermoon.

[Rhlor]

How does joining the Horde stays true to his desire to reunite the children of Silvermoon? He's literally there as a representative for those outside the Quel'thalas government, he's literally being neutral to the whole situation.

Of course some of those pilgrims could have rejoined the Horde, but Auric's whole point there is to represent the interest of High Elves outside of the government. He should remain neutral.

or he could represent the high elves who are already part of quetlhalas society.

[elbleuet]

I don't see why someone gets so upset that an NPC changes faction when literally the horde constantly lost racial leaders over and over again. I'm not saying to give me an important racial leader just a character who was already established working in quelthalas and who has the title of high elf representative

You already have 6 blood elf leaders (Lor'Themar, Rommath, Halduron, Liadrin, Aethas and High Examiner Tae'thelan Bloodwatcher).

And it's likely Kael'Thas will return to you so just no.

The Alliance elves have few leaders which to count on. Leave them alone

[Rhlor]

It wouldn't bother me if Blizzard changed his faction in the slightest. I just don't see it happening. More than likely the only effort Blizzard will spare, if any, is tossing a few generics around Silvermoon.

then we agree! you don't think blizz adds him but you don't object to it.

[Kyriani]

or he could represent the high elves who are already part of quetlhalas society.

If anything, he'd probably become more of a neutral NPC rather than being solidly Alliance or Horde, and act as a facilitator in repatriating those High Elves who wish it, to Silvermoon, and expatriating any Blood Elves who wish to leave the Horde, to the Alliance, such as those Silvermoon Scholars we see in Telogrus.

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then we agree! you don't think blizz adds him but you don't object to it.

I have no particular objection, but that doesn't mean I think its necessary or worthwhile to do so.

[Rhlor]

You already have 6 blood elf leaders (Lor'Themar, Rommath, Halduron, Liadrin, Aethas and High Examiner Tae'thelan Bloodwatcher).

And it's likely Kael'Thas will return to you so just no.

The Alliance elves have few leaders which to count on. Leave them alone

Kael'thalas will surely transcend a vampire as Uther became a winged blue human.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

or he could represent the high elves who are already part of quetlhalas society.

But why? That's what I am asking you.

Why should the character that is ostensibly about neutrality join the Blood Elves -and the Horde- Again, Auric's whole presence in the Sunwell is to allow pilgrimage to High Elves that are not part of the Horde, it wouldn't make sense to make him part of the Horde, not without showing it as a betrayal of his purpose, which would not be seen well at all by the High Elves that he is allegedly representing. Cause again, he's whole point is that he represents non-horde helves, that's his purpose and function.

Again, of course it makes sense for some of those High Elves to rejoin the BE's, but if Auric were to do so, he could simply not continue to be the Non-Horde High Elf representative in Quel'danas.

[Rhlor]

If anything, he'd probably become more of a neutral NPC rather than being solidly Alliance or Horde, and act as a facilitator in repatriating those High Elves who wish it, to Silvermoon, and expatriating any Blood Elves who wish to leave the Horde, to the Alliance, such as those Silvermoon Scholars we see in Telogrus.

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I have no particular objection, but that doesn't mean I think its necessary or worthwhile to do so.

I think it would be good, but that's my opinion

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

If anything, he'd probably become more of a neutral NPC rather than being solidly Alliance or Horde, and act as a facilitator in repatriating those High Elves who wish it, to Silvermoon, and expatriating any Blood Elves who wish to leave the Horde, to the Alliance, such as those Silvermoon Scholars we see in Telogrus.

IMO I think Auric has been functionally neutral for a while; his whole purpose in Quel'danas is to allow the non-horde High Elves safe pilgrimage. For him to do that, his position kinda has to be politically neutral -much like Kirin Tor High Elves-

[Andromedes]

Give him his Auric, if he desires him that much. Everyone should have Auric in their lives.

[Rhlor]

But why? That's what I am asking you.

Why should the character that is ostensibly about neutrality join the Blood Elves -and the Horde- Again, Auric's whole presence in the Sunwell is to allow pilgrimage to High Elves that are not part of the Horde, it wouldn't make sense to make him part of the Horde, not without showing it as a betrayal of his purpose, which would not be seen well at all by the High Elves that he is allegedly representing. Cause again, he's whole point is that he represents non-horde helves, that's his purpose and function.

Again, of course it makes sense for some of those High Elves to rejoin the BE's, but if Auric were to do so, he could simply not continue to be the Non-Horde High Elf representative in Quel'danas.

but that also makes sense! the high elves of the alliance are joining the void elves! and void elves are a danger to sunwell so they would not be allowed to return to quelthlas!

It would also be a reason to join the horde! Auric loves the Sunwell and Alleria almost destroyed the Sunwell. That is something that you may fear will happen again and therefore joins the horde to protect the Sunwell from an attack by void elves! but this is just a guess but I think it would make sense

[Kyriani]

IMO I think Auric has been functionally neutral for a while; his whole purpose in Quel'danas is to allow the non-horde High Elves safe pilgrimage. For him to do that, his position kinda has to be politically neutral -much like Kirin Tor High Elves-

I agree with this assessment. And personally, now that I think about my previous post, I like the idea of Auric being the "middle man" who helps High Elves return Home (and thus join the Horde) if that's what they want, or to help Blood Elves who wish to join Alleria (and thus join the Alliance) if that's what they want.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

but that also makes sense! the high elves of the alliance are joining the void elves! and void elves are a danger to sunwell so they would not be allowed to return to quelthlas!

It would also be a reason to join the horde! Auric loves the Sunwell and Alleria almost destroyed the Sunwell. That is something that you may fear will happen again and therefore joins the horde to protect the Sunwell from an attack by void elves! but this is just a guess but I think it would make sense

And I do agree it could go that way, but you are asking Auric to betray his purpose and become Horde. You are asking for an alliance leaning character to choose the horde, you are asking for him to give up on the reunification of his people, choose a side, and go against his people that are on the alliance.

You are asking for him to choose the Sunwell over his people.

Just want you to make sure you know what you are saying.

Honestly? It could reasonably happen, but it would certainly make him a traitor on the Alliance and Neutral elves eyes. He'd be like a reverse Umbric, but that was actually introduced as an alliance High Elf character before made to switch up.

Personally, I don't get why you would want such a controversial decision of pivoting a neutral character so hard to the opposite side, IMO it's far more suitable to make a character out of any of those random HE pilgrims that want to rejoin the BE's and goes against Auric's sense of neutrality.

I just don't get why you want to subvert Auric's whole characterization to make him Horde.

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I agree with this assessment. And personally, now that I think about my previous post, I like the idea of Auric being the "middle man" who helps High Elves return Home (and thus join the Horde) if that's what they want, or to help Blood Elves who wish to join Alleria (and thus join the Alliance) if that's what they want.

Personally I see it as more of a "neither" sort of scenario, he doesn't help anyone pick a side. His concern is to allow all elves, regardless of their politics, to pilgrimage to the Sunwell.

Because if he help people pick a side, it could easily lead to his diplomatic status be revoked, as him saying Belves "hey, you can join Alleria if you want" would most certainly be considered subversion.

I think it's far more likely that the BE's have agents in the Sunwell ready to try to convince pilgrims to return, but would not be impossible to also have alliance agents trying to subvert things themselves.

Very spy vs spy, but Auric himself has to be clean and separate of that to be allowed to serve as an Ambassador.

[Kyriani]

And I do agree it could go that way, but you are asking Auric to betray his purpose and become Horde. You are asking for an alliance leaning character to choose the horde, you are asking for him to give up on the reunification of his people, choose a side, and go against his people that are on the alliance.

You are asking for him to choose the Sunwell over his people.

Just want you to make sure you know what you are saying.

Honestly? It could reasonably happen, but it would certainly make him a traitor on the Alliance and Neutral elves eyes. He'd be like a reverse Umbric, but that was actually introduced as an alliance High Elf character before made to switch up.

Personally, I don't get why you would want such a controversial decision of pivoting a neutral character so hard to the opposite side, IMO it's far more suitable to make a character out of any of those random HE pilgrims that want to rejoin the BE's and goes against Auric's sense of neutrality.

I just don't get why you want to subvert Auric's whole characterization to make him Horde.

After looking back at his previous posts, I'm starting to get the impression that this poster's request regarding Auric isn't actually sincere, but rather an attempt to rile up pro-helfers/Alliance players. I might be wrong, but it certainly feels like this is the intent rather than a genuine logical request.

[Rhlor]

And I do agree it could go that way, but you are asking Auric to betray his purpose and become Horde. You are asking for an alliance leaning character to choose the horde, you are asking for him to give up on the reunification of his people, choose a side, and go against his people that are on the alliance.

You are asking for him to choose the Sunwell over his people.

Just want you to make sure you know what you are saying.

Honestly? It could reasonably happen, but it would certainly make him a traitor on the Alliance and Neutral elves eyes. He'd be like a reverse Umbric, but that was actually introduced as an alliance High Elf character before made to switch up.

Personally, I don't get why you would want such a controversial decision of pivoting a neutral character so hard to the opposite side, IMO it's far more suitable to make a character out of any of those random HE pilgrims that want to rejoin the BE's and goes against Auric's sense of neutrality.

I just don't get why you want to subvert Auric's whole characterization to make him Horde.

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Personally I see it as more of a "neither" sort of scenario, he doesn't help anyone pick a side. His concern is to allow all elves, regardless of their politics, to pilgrimage to the Sunwell.

Because if he help people pick a side, it could easily lead to his diplomatic status be revoked, as him saying Belves "hey, you can join Alleria if you want" would most certainly be considered subversion.

I think it's far more likely that the BE's have agents in the Sunwell ready to try to convince pilgrims to return, but would not be impossible to also have alliance agents trying to subvert things themselves.

Very spy vs spy, but Auric himself has to be clean and separate of that to be allowed to serve as an Ambassador.

the sunwell is a fundamental part of the life of the elves of Quelthalas protecting the sunwell is a sacred duty

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After looking back at his previous posts, I'm starting to get the impression that this poster's request regarding Auric isn't actually sincere, but rather an attempt to rile up pro-helfers/Alliance players. I might be wrong, but it certainly feels like this is the intent rather than a genuine logical request.

for many years I always thought that auric and the high pilgrim elves could join quelthalas!

[Kyriani]

Personally I see it as more of a "neither" sort of scenario, he doesn't help anyone pick a side. His concern is to allow all elves, regardless of their politics, to pilgrimage to the Sunwell.

Because if he help people pick a side, it could easily lead to his diplomatic status be revoked, as him saying Belves "hey, you can join Alleria if you want" would most certainly be considered subversion.

I think it's far more likely that the BE's have agents in the Sunwell ready to try to convince pilgrims to return, but would not be impossible to also have alliance agents trying to subvert things themselves.

Very spy vs spy, but Auric himself has to be clean and separate of that to be allowed to serve as an Ambassador.

You make a very compelling argument. I withdraw my suggestion of Auric filling that role, but I do think it would be interesting to have some NPC that fills such a role.

[Rhlor]

You make a very compelling argument. I withdraw my suggestion of Auric filling that role, but I do think it would be interesting to have some NPC that fills such a role.

I do not think so because the other high elf characters who could play a representative role in quelthalas would be to remove from the alliance a character strongly linked to them and who was never working alongside the blood elves. It is as if I had Jalinde Summerdrake in silvermoon, in which I really believe that that would be much more shocking than having an auric, to name someone who could be an NPC with some importance who can fulfill the role of representative

[Edoll]

I'm curious as to which NPC you're referring to. Not one of the Night Elves Sylvanas raised I assume? Not doubting you, simply genuine curiosity as my memory is failing me at the moment.

I left a word. I meant the Blood Elves.