Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Andromedes]

Give him his Auric, if he desires him that much. Everyone should have Auric in their lives.

[Rhlor]

But why? That's what I am asking you.

Why should the character that is ostensibly about neutrality join the Blood Elves -and the Horde- Again, Auric's whole presence in the Sunwell is to allow pilgrimage to High Elves that are not part of the Horde, it wouldn't make sense to make him part of the Horde, not without showing it as a betrayal of his purpose, which would not be seen well at all by the High Elves that he is allegedly representing. Cause again, he's whole point is that he represents non-horde helves, that's his purpose and function.

Again, of course it makes sense for some of those High Elves to rejoin the BE's, but if Auric were to do so, he could simply not continue to be the Non-Horde High Elf representative in Quel'danas.

but that also makes sense! the high elves of the alliance are joining the void elves! and void elves are a danger to sunwell so they would not be allowed to return to quelthlas!

It would also be a reason to join the horde! Auric loves the Sunwell and Alleria almost destroyed the Sunwell. That is something that you may fear will happen again and therefore joins the horde to protect the Sunwell from an attack by void elves! but this is just a guess but I think it would make sense

[Kyriani]

IMO I think Auric has been functionally neutral for a while; his whole purpose in Quel'danas is to allow the non-horde High Elves safe pilgrimage. For him to do that, his position kinda has to be politically neutral -much like Kirin Tor High Elves-

I agree with this assessment. And personally, now that I think about my previous post, I like the idea of Auric being the "middle man" who helps High Elves return Home (and thus join the Horde) if that's what they want, or to help Blood Elves who wish to join Alleria (and thus join the Alliance) if that's what they want.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

but that also makes sense! the high elves of the alliance are joining the void elves! and void elves are a danger to sunwell so they would not be allowed to return to quelthlas!

It would also be a reason to join the horde! Auric loves the Sunwell and Alleria almost destroyed the Sunwell. That is something that you may fear will happen again and therefore joins the horde to protect the Sunwell from an attack by void elves! but this is just a guess but I think it would make sense

And I do agree it could go that way, but you are asking Auric to betray his purpose and become Horde. You are asking for an alliance leaning character to choose the horde, you are asking for him to give up on the reunification of his people, choose a side, and go against his people that are on the alliance.

You are asking for him to choose the Sunwell over his people.

Just want you to make sure you know what you are saying.

Honestly? It could reasonably happen, but it would certainly make him a traitor on the Alliance and Neutral elves eyes. He'd be like a reverse Umbric, but that was actually introduced as an alliance High Elf character before made to switch up.

Personally, I don't get why you would want such a controversial decision of pivoting a neutral character so hard to the opposite side, IMO it's far more suitable to make a character out of any of those random HE pilgrims that want to rejoin the BE's and goes against Auric's sense of neutrality.

I just don't get why you want to subvert Auric's whole characterization to make him Horde.

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I agree with this assessment. And personally, now that I think about my previous post, I like the idea of Auric being the "middle man" who helps High Elves return Home (and thus join the Horde) if that's what they want, or to help Blood Elves who wish to join Alleria (and thus join the Alliance) if that's what they want.

Personally I see it as more of a "neither" sort of scenario, he doesn't help anyone pick a side. His concern is to allow all elves, regardless of their politics, to pilgrimage to the Sunwell.

Because if he help people pick a side, it could easily lead to his diplomatic status be revoked, as him saying Belves "hey, you can join Alleria if you want" would most certainly be considered subversion.

I think it's far more likely that the BE's have agents in the Sunwell ready to try to convince pilgrims to return, but would not be impossible to also have alliance agents trying to subvert things themselves.

Very spy vs spy, but Auric himself has to be clean and separate of that to be allowed to serve as an Ambassador.

[Kyriani]

And I do agree it could go that way, but you are asking Auric to betray his purpose and become Horde. You are asking for an alliance leaning character to choose the horde, you are asking for him to give up on the reunification of his people, choose a side, and go against his people that are on the alliance.

You are asking for him to choose the Sunwell over his people.

Just want you to make sure you know what you are saying.

Honestly? It could reasonably happen, but it would certainly make him a traitor on the Alliance and Neutral elves eyes. He'd be like a reverse Umbric, but that was actually introduced as an alliance High Elf character before made to switch up.

Personally, I don't get why you would want such a controversial decision of pivoting a neutral character so hard to the opposite side, IMO it's far more suitable to make a character out of any of those random HE pilgrims that want to rejoin the BE's and goes against Auric's sense of neutrality.

I just don't get why you want to subvert Auric's whole characterization to make him Horde.

After looking back at his previous posts, I'm starting to get the impression that this poster's request regarding Auric isn't actually sincere, but rather an attempt to rile up pro-helfers/Alliance players. I might be wrong, but it certainly feels like this is the intent rather than a genuine logical request.

[Rhlor]

And I do agree it could go that way, but you are asking Auric to betray his purpose and become Horde. You are asking for an alliance leaning character to choose the horde, you are asking for him to give up on the reunification of his people, choose a side, and go against his people that are on the alliance.

You are asking for him to choose the Sunwell over his people.

Just want you to make sure you know what you are saying.

Honestly? It could reasonably happen, but it would certainly make him a traitor on the Alliance and Neutral elves eyes. He'd be like a reverse Umbric, but that was actually introduced as an alliance High Elf character before made to switch up.

Personally, I don't get why you would want such a controversial decision of pivoting a neutral character so hard to the opposite side, IMO it's far more suitable to make a character out of any of those random HE pilgrims that want to rejoin the BE's and goes against Auric's sense of neutrality.

I just don't get why you want to subvert Auric's whole characterization to make him Horde.

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Personally I see it as more of a "neither" sort of scenario, he doesn't help anyone pick a side. His concern is to allow all elves, regardless of their politics, to pilgrimage to the Sunwell.

Because if he help people pick a side, it could easily lead to his diplomatic status be revoked, as him saying Belves "hey, you can join Alleria if you want" would most certainly be considered subversion.

I think it's far more likely that the BE's have agents in the Sunwell ready to try to convince pilgrims to return, but would not be impossible to also have alliance agents trying to subvert things themselves.

Very spy vs spy, but Auric himself has to be clean and separate of that to be allowed to serve as an Ambassador.

the sunwell is a fundamental part of the life of the elves of Quelthalas protecting the sunwell is a sacred duty

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After looking back at his previous posts, I'm starting to get the impression that this poster's request regarding Auric isn't actually sincere, but rather an attempt to rile up pro-helfers/Alliance players. I might be wrong, but it certainly feels like this is the intent rather than a genuine logical request.

for many years I always thought that auric and the high pilgrim elves could join quelthalas!

[Kyriani]

Personally I see it as more of a "neither" sort of scenario, he doesn't help anyone pick a side. His concern is to allow all elves, regardless of their politics, to pilgrimage to the Sunwell.

Because if he help people pick a side, it could easily lead to his diplomatic status be revoked, as him saying Belves "hey, you can join Alleria if you want" would most certainly be considered subversion.

I think it's far more likely that the BE's have agents in the Sunwell ready to try to convince pilgrims to return, but would not be impossible to also have alliance agents trying to subvert things themselves.

Very spy vs spy, but Auric himself has to be clean and separate of that to be allowed to serve as an Ambassador.

You make a very compelling argument. I withdraw my suggestion of Auric filling that role, but I do think it would be interesting to have some NPC that fills such a role.

[Rhlor]

You make a very compelling argument. I withdraw my suggestion of Auric filling that role, but I do think it would be interesting to have some NPC that fills such a role.

I do not think so because the other high elf characters who could play a representative role in quelthalas would be to remove from the alliance a character strongly linked to them and who was never working alongside the blood elves. It is as if I had Jalinde Summerdrake in silvermoon, in which I really believe that that would be much more shocking than having an auric, to name someone who could be an NPC with some importance who can fulfill the role of representative

[Edoll]

I'm curious as to which NPC you're referring to. Not one of the Night Elves Sylvanas raised I assume? Not doubting you, simply genuine curiosity as my memory is failing me at the moment.

I left a word. I meant the Blood Elves.

[Kyriani]

I left a word. I meant the Blood Elves.

I'm still drawing a blank... which NPC are you referring to?

[Frenchvince]

Auric has not been very present in the lore since WOTLK.
The return of Alleria could strengthen his attachment to the alliance, I do not see him betraying a hero of Quel'Thalas whom he represented during his absence...to join the horde.

[Rhlor]

Auric has not been very present in the lore since WOTLK.
The return of Alleria could strengthen his attachment to the alliance, I do not see him betraying a hero of Quel'Thalas whom he represented during his absence...to join the horde.

to protect the sunwell that alleria almost destroyed!

[DeicideUH]

there are other things in the game that also have the name auric.

"Auric" means "golden", which is why you find things with that qualifier. But there's only one character named Auric.

[Rhlor]

why is everyone talking about Auric? Did he show up in Shadowlands?

I'm just saying that since the high elves are going to be added to the blood elves it would be good if we had auric as a representative of the high elves since he has the title of high elf representative in quelthalas

[Edoll]

I'm still drawing a blank... which NPC are you referring to?

The entire Blood Elf faction. They, a long established Alliance group, joined the Horde for no reason. I’m still salty, but I’m very glad this is finally being corrected in Shadowlands.

[Rhlor]

"Auric" means "golden", which is why you find things with that qualifier. But there's only one character named Auric.

As you say, it has a meaning that cannot necessarily be linked to auric sunchaser. Nowhere in the lore does it say that he is linked to that group.

[Frenchvince]

to protect the sunwell that alleria almost destroyed!

Alleria didn't do it on purpose, it was an accident.
And it can protect the Sunwell by staying neutral, no need to join the horde.

[Rhlor]

Alleria didn't do it on purpose, it was an accident.
And it can protect the Sunwell by staying neutral, no need to join the horde.

maybe but the point is that he could do it after all that's what is happening now that the high elves join the blood elves.

[Frenchvince]

maybe but the point is that he could do it after all that's what is happening now that the high elves join the blood elves.

And who is going to represent the high elves of the alliance who will not want to follow him ?

[FlubberPuddy]

After looking back at his previous posts, I'm starting to get the impression that this poster's request regarding Auric isn't actually sincere, but rather an attempt to rile up pro-helfers/Alliance players. I might be wrong, but it certainly feels like this is the intent rather than a genuine logical request.

Nah it isn't. Rhlor is being sincere, I just think like @MyWholeLifeIsThunder said - he may not realize the implications of what he's asking for.

I think sometimes people don't realize how it comes off from what they're saying.

There is no point for Auric to change his allegiance and his entire point is that every High Elf and Blood Elf should be 'a whole' once more as they're all "children of Silvermoon".

But, as we'll see with Shadowlands, there's going to be High Elves fighting for the Alliance and High Elves fighting for the Horde. This shows that not every High Elf came back to join up with Blood Elves therefore the "children of Silvermoon" aren't united fully at all, which is Auric's goal/dream.