Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Kyriani]

The entire Blood Elf faction. They, a long established Alliance group, joined the Horde for no reason. I’m still salty, but I’m very glad this is finally being corrected in Shadowlands.

Well in that case Blizzard was incentivized to do so due to the Horde's population at the time and they added in game lore to justify the Blood Elves joining the Horde (alliance spies and hostile actions vs. forsaken assistance of Blood interests in the Ghostlands + Sylvanas Windrunner being a respected hero of Silvermoon). So it wasn't "for no reason".

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Nah it isn't. Rhlor is being sincere, I just think like @MyWholeLifeIsThunder said - he may not realize the implications of what he's asking for.

I think sometimes people don't realize how it comes off from what they're saying.

There is no point for Auric to change his allegiance and his entire point is that every High Elf and Blood Elf should be 'a whole' once more as they're all "children of Silvermoon".

But, as we'll see with Shadowlands, there's going to be High Elves fighting for the Alliance and High Elves fighting for the Horde. This shows that not every High Elf came back to join up with Blood Elves therefore the "children of Silvermoon" aren't united fully at all, which is Auric's goal/dream.

Understood. I'll take your word for it then

[FlubberPuddy]

But I also wanted to avenge the destruction of the Sunwell! and I suppose that wanting to protect the sunwell is a reason to join the blood elves when alleria almost destroyed it. but I repeat I think he is the character that can best be a representative of the high elves of quelthalas!
If I were trolling I would name characters with a greater connection to the alliance and I do not think that someone like Jalinde Summerdrake or ranger lord hawkspear should fulfill that role, much less others like Vereesa who should be one of the leaders of the Thalassianos of the alliance with alleria and umbric!
I think of auric because I saw him fulfill the role of representative and he wanted the children of silvermoon to be united, instead people like hawkspear deeply hate the horde!and never imagine seeing him on silvermoon fulfilling that role!

Dude I don't care what you think should happen. People are simply explaining to you it doesn't make sense for the NPC you're talking about when they're already faction-affiliated to the opposite warring faction, aka Alliance. And they themselves (Auric himself) haven't been given a reason to change from their neutral position.

Again, your headcanon isn't enough, and people are just saying there's no real reason for him to switch. They're also ok with it happening if it does, but the way you're speaking it's like a forgone conclusion already - it is not.

Also I said you were being sincere.

Just you're not realizing how you're coming off to others and it's showing here as well.

[Varodoc]

Isn't the same time that elapses in real life while we play is supposed is the same time spent in Azeroth?

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jaina is not a generic name clearly refers to a person

In the Magni comic published around the start of Legion it was said that Magni turned to stone 4 years ago, thus Cataclysm happened 4 years before Legion. Cataclysm lasted 2 years as stated in the Ultimate Visual Guide, thus the other 2 years would have been MoP and WoD.

Yes, but Jaina mucked that up so badly it drove them right back to the Horde.

Yet it did not seem to bother Theron in BfA, when he valiantly teamed up and fought side by side with Jaina in patch 8.2, and once again sided with the Alliance against a corrupt warchief.

The blood elves hatred for the Alliance is overrated by their fans, really. Storywise it is clear that they have no problem teaming up with the Alliance.

[Rhlor]

Dude I don't care what you think should happen. People are simply explaining to you it doesn't make sense for the NPC you're talking about when they're already faction-affiliated to the opposite warring faction, aka Alliance. And they themselves (Auric himself) haven't been given a reason to change from their neutral position.

Again, your headcanon isn't enough, and people are just saying there's no real reason for him to switch. They're also ok with it happening if it does, but the way you're speaking it's like a forgone conclusion already - it is not.

Also I said you were being sincere.

Just you're not realizing how you're coming off to others and it's showing here as well.

I am exposing what I think would be good for the high elf representation in the horde

[Mungho]

In the Magni comic published around the start of Legion it was said that Magni turned to stone 4 years ago, thus Cataclysm happened 4 years before Legion. Cataclysm lasted 2 years as stated in the Ultimate Visual Guide, thus the other 2 years would have been MoP and WoD.



Yet it did not seem to bother Theron in BfA, when he valiantly teamed up and fought side by side with Jaina in patch 8.2, and once again sided with the Alliance against a corrupt warchief.

The blood elves hatred for the Alliance is overrated by their fans, really. Storywise it is clear that they have no problem teaming up with the Alliance.

I'm not saying they have problems teaming up, just when they tried to re-join the Alliance it went awry. Naturally, Theron and other Blood Elves will work with the Alliance, as Blizzard acknowledges grudges only when it suits them. But we're getting off topic.

I wouldn't want Auric as a High Elf rep for the Horde, since he seems to prefer the Alliance. Isn't there some other appropriate High Elf kicking around to use?

[DeicideUH]

jaina is not a generic name clearly refers to a person

So does Auric. If it were a reference to the color, it would be "Auric Angels", not "Auric's Angels". It's clearly refering to a person, and there's only one Auric in lore.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

the sunwell is a fundamental part of the life of the elves of Quelthalas protecting the sunwell is a sacred duty

And yet you are missing all the political nuance and the reason why we have thalassians on both Horde and Alliance; the whole reason there is a need of Auric as a high elf representative in Sunwell Plateau is because thalassians are not unified politically, the whole reason for an ambassador is to allow those who don't want to join the Blood Elves to still have access to the Sunwell.

You might have not recognized the implications, but I think you have been made aware of them thoroughly by now.

The fact that Auric was presented as not rejoining the Blood Elves and instead acting as a liaison to allow pilgrimage to non-Horde elves certainly indicates he puts equal access to the Sunwell above other political considerations. And again, is not like he couldn't change his mind, but it would certainly bee seen as a betrayal of is initial intent.

Which again brings me back to "Why Auric?" when it could be a newly introduced character.

And really, is not because "Auric is Alliance we can't give him to the Horde" but that his character is evidently more neutral leaning when his motivation is allowing all high elves to have access to the Sunwell. His motivations are outside the Horde/Alliance binary, so again, to make him Horde all of the sudden, while not impossible, it's certainly a big twist from his previous characterization.

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You make a very compelling argument. I withdraw my suggestion of Auric filling that role, but I do think it would be interesting to have some NPC that fills such a role.

Honestly it could be Auric, but it would have to be in service of an end to the elven pilgrimage to the Sunwell, cause the moment he is found out, it is just over.

Given how yet another group of thalassians has left Quel'thalas -void elves- it could very well lead to the Blood Elves being far more restrictive, and I would see them as far more careful to not alienate more of their people, which could lead to the very idea of pilgrimage to be considered too subversive to continue. For good or ill, the BElves withholding access to the Sunwell for both safety concerns and political reasoning is entirely plausible, specially when they are ostensibly allowing visitation to suversive high elf elements.

The whole political situation of the Sunwell should be very complex now, so it might be a good way to put an end to it one way or another, which would further deteriorate relationship between horde and alliance thalassians.

And tbh, Auric could fill whatever role -he could certainly flip to the Horde, it's believable if he is threatened with loosing access to the Sunwell- and while I do see him as ostensibly neutral, it seems to be by necessity, because he is indeed introduced as an Alliance character, and Auric's Angels are quite likely named after him; he is quite literally the most known Auric in WoW, -it really wouldn't make sense for a group to reference another Auric- so his alliance sympathies are well known and present.

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I'm not saying they have problems teaming up, just when they tried to re-join the Alliance it went awry. Naturally, Theron and other Blood Elves will work with the Alliance, as Blizzard acknowledges grudges only when it suits them. But we're getting off topic.

I wouldn't want Auric as a High Elf rep for the Horde, since he seems to prefer the Alliance. Isn't there some other appropriate High Elf kicking around to use?

IMO the best option for that type of narrative -High Elven pilgrims that have decided to rejoin the Blood Elves- would be to simply introduce a new character that is a pilgrim that decided to rejoin the horde and seeks to convince more elves. I don't think anyone would be against a new character in that role.

Yet in any case, Thalo'thas Brightsun is already a very pro-horde and anti-alliance High Elf. If we need an already established HE character to act as a subversive of the pilgrims, it could be perfectly be him.

[FossilFree]

I'm actually kind of mad at the anti High Elf people for wasting their time trying to get blue eyes they didn't really want instead of campaigning for San'layn options. We could be getting red eyes for Blood Elves at this very moment, but no because spite.

[Rhlor]

And yet you are missing all the political nuance and the reason why we have thalassians on both Horde and Alliance; the whole reason there is a need of Auric as a high elf representative in Sunwell Plateau is because thalassians are not unified politically, the whole reason for an ambassador is to allow those who don't want to join the Blood Elves to still have access to the Sunwell.

You might have not recognized the implications, but I think you have been made aware of them thoroughly by now.

The fact that Auric was presented as not rejoining the Blood Elves and instead acting as a liaison to allow pilgrimage to non-Horde elves certainly indicates he puts equal access to the Sunwell above other political considerations. And again, is not like he couldn't change his mind, but it would certainly bee seen as a betrayal of is initial intent.

Which again brings me back to "Why Auric?" when it could be a newly introduced character.

And really, is not because "Auric is Alliance we can't give him to the Horde" but that his character is evidently more neutral leaning when his motivation is allowing all high elves to have access to the Sunwell. His motivations are outside the Horde/Alliance binary, so again, to make him Horde all of the sudden, while not impossible, it's certainly a big twist from his previous characterization.

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Honestly it could be Auric, but it would have to be in service of an end to the elven pilgrimage to the Sunwell, cause the moment he is found out, it is just over.

Given how yet another group of thalassians has left Quel'thalas -void elves- it could very well lead to the Blood Elves being far more restrictive, and I would see them as far more careful to not alienate more of their people, which could lead to the very idea of pilgrimage to be considered too subversive to continue. For good or ill, the BElves withholding access to the Sunwell for both safety concerns and political reasoning is entirely plausible, specially when they are ostensibly allowing visitation to suversive high elf elements.

The whole political situation of the Sunwell should be very complex now, so it might be a good way to put an end to it one way or another, which would further deteriorate relationship between horde and alliance thalassians.

And tbh, Auric could fill whatever role -he could certainly flip to the Horde, it's believable if he is threatened with loosing access to the Sunwell- and while I do see him as ostensibly neutral, it seems to be by necessity, because he is indeed introduced as an Alliance character, and Auric's Angels are quite likely named after him; he is quite literally the most known Auric in WoW, -it really wouldn't make sense for a group to reference another Auric- so his alliance sympathies are well known and present.

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IMO the best option for that type of narrative -High Elven pilgrims that have decided to rejoin the Blood Elves- would be to simply introduce a new character that is a pilgrim that decided to rejoin the horde and seeks to convince more elves. I don't think anyone would be against a new character in that role.

Yet in any case, Thalo'thas Brightsun is already a very pro-horde and anti-alliance High Elf. If we need an already established HE character to act as a subversive of the pilgrims, it could be perfectly be him.

why auric? Because of all the high elves characters in the game, I think he is the one who can fulfill the role of representative of the high elves of the horde, he is already the high elf representative and also someone who is already working with the horde, I think that Other high elves characters who could occupy a role to be representatives have a strong connection with the alliance and none with quelthalas, that's why I prefer to have a auric than having Jalinde Summerdrake or ranger lord hawkspear, I think they should not occupy that role.

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I'm actually kind of mad at the anti High Elf people for wasting their time trying to get blue eyes they didn't really want instead of campaigning for San'layn options. We could be getting red eyes for Blood Elves at this very moment, but no because spite.

I as someone who loves quelthalas and the blood elves lore would never ask for undead cannibals who enjoy killing and eating people as members of quelthalas society.the undead are not our theme

[Kyriani]

I'm actually kind of mad at the anti High Elf people for wasting their time trying to get blue eyes they didn't really want instead of campaigning for San'layn options. We could be getting red eyes for Blood Elves at this very moment, but no because spite.

I'm not sure that's entirely fair. I don't believe every request for blue eyes on Blood Elves was made out of spite. Some, quite likely, but certainly not all.

[Vaedan]

but that also makes sense! the high elves of the alliance are joining the void elves! and void elves are a danger to sunwell so they would not be allowed to return to quelthlas!

It would also be a reason to join the horde! Auric loves the Sunwell and Alleria almost destroyed the Sunwell. That is something that you may fear will happen again and therefore joins the horde to protect the Sunwell from an attack by void elves! but this is just a guess but I think it would make sense

Well, void elves never expressed any wish to destroy or sabotage Sunwell in any way. If they would want to do such thing, they had their chance during Fourth War, when the attack on enemy facility is justified, but not now during time of armistice.

Don't forget, that Sunwell incident was indeed an accident. It was not Alleria's intent to do so, and don't forget that it was also Alleria who fixed the mess... all other elves present here just covered her back while she managed to close the rift. It shows us that blood elves does not have any knowledge how to protect Sunwell if some similar accident happens again, since they are exiling all of their people who study void, which makes exile of void elves even more illogical. Lor'themar could just easily ban them to enter Quel'danas, since it's obvious that only direct interaction with Sunwell is causing such backlashes and let them remain in the Horde. He just opened them path to join the Alliance. If there are people among your nation who bears some degree of danger to a facility that crucial to your race, you want to have control over them. You don't want to push them into the faction you are in war.

We also don't know how regular void elves interact with Sunwell. Alleria is definitely different kind of void elf, her powers differ to others. We can't 100% say that regular void elves would cause the same effect on Sunwell, given different degree of their powers. Since Alleria is transformed to void elf by way powerful source, it's safe to speculate that regular void elves would not cause that dramatic effects on Sunwell either. Possibilities are:
- They would occur the exact same even (which I find unlikely)
- They would occur weaker version of the even (which I find most likely)
- They would not occur no event at all (also, not that likely, but still a possibility)
- they would occur entirely different even

Last but not least, don't forget that Auric chose to be High Elf representative during WotLK timeline. That means before two brutal faction wars when Horde comminted much more questionable efforts than the Alliance, and in during that time, Horde was also eager to attack high elves on various place of Azeroth, killing them mercilessly. That includes blood elves. That alone could change his attitude towards high elves joining Silvermoon again for good... Just look at Jaina. She used also used to be Alliance character with strong Horde sympaties, which were completely abandoned after Horde destroyed her city, killed her subordinates and later abused neutral organisation she was in charge of.

I also think that Alleria coming back is also a thing which will be meaningful for him, since Alleria was his commander before and he took care of Allerian Stronghold on her command.

As others said, there eventually could be story about him joining Silvermoon, but Blizzard usually goes the way of least effort. That means creating brand new character with no background and personality, only to eternaly stand in Silvermoon as Horde high elf, instead of creating story and reasons why a character with already strong Alliance connection all of sudden chose to be Horde exclusively. That's a reason why there is no named void elf who was known before they were made and who had any role in blood elf society... they are all brand new characters (Alleria excluded, but she is special case).

[elbleuet]

why auric? Because of all the high elves characters in the game, I think he is the one who can fulfill the role of representative of the high elves of the horde, he is already the high elf representative and also someone who is already working with the horde

This is your imagination. Auric has never worked with the Horde. The Horde has nothing to do with this. He's only neutral toward the blood elves.

And for the record, when we returned to the throne room AND to the Sunwell with Alleria Auric was nowhere to be found. So it's likely he left at some point.

[Varodoc]

Auric: Allerian Expedition.

Alleria: Alliance.

Thus Auric and Allerian Expedition: Alliance.

It's not that complicated people.

[Ardenaso]

I mean, High Elves like Auric could remain Alliance or neutral and not Horde while at the same time being allowed to bask in the Sunwell on the condition that they will not make aggressions or any trouble to the Blood Elves

[DeicideUH]

I'm not sure that's entirely fair. I don't believe every request for blue eyes on Blood Elves was made out of spite. Some, quite likely, but certainly not all.

The way there was little to no celebration about blue eyes in the forums shows me the request wasn't exactly wanted. Yerah, we can't talk about everyone, but we can get the overall mood of the forums. After the initial datamining of blue yes (before Ion saying they wouldn't be available), we saw people celebrating, yes, but mostly to rub on the face of high elf requests.

It's very ironic something that was asked for repeatedly was granted and yet failed to be well received.

[elbleuet]

The way there was little to no celebration about blue eyes in the forums shows me the request wasn't exactly wanted. Yerah, we can't talk about everyone, but we can get the overall mood of the forums. After the initial datamining of blue yes (before Ion saying they wouldn't be available), we saw people celebrating, yes, but mostly to rub on the face of high elf requests.

It's very ironic something that was asked for repeatedly was granted and yet failed to be well received.

Yeah now you say this ...

I think that High elves still being in the Alliance in the first place was the real issue for some Horde fans. So they decided to ask for blue eyes just to piss off some of the high elf fans.

But when they got blue-eyed blood elves, I saw 0 celebration whereas the high elf fans were super happy.

Now I see no more "Blood elves are High elves" and "High elves are extinct" and "High elves are irrelevant" for my greatest pleasure.

[Rhlor]

This is your imagination. Auric has never worked with the Horde. The Horde has nothing to do with this. He's only neutral toward the blood elves.

And for the record, when we returned to the throne room AND to the Sunwell with Alleria Auric was nowhere to be found. So it's likely he left at some point.

when you do quel'delar the sunwell is full of people many high elves and many blood elves, but none of them is seen in bfa, I think lorthemar wanted to do a private meeting.

[Doffen]

Auric clearly references Auric, Beauty & Wellness Beverages.



For Mind, Body, Skin, Hair and Weight. All the good things about elves.

[Rhlor]

Well, void elves never expressed any wish to destroy or sabotage Sunwell in any way. If they would want to do such thing, they had their chance during Fourth War, when the attack on enemy facility is justified, but not now during time of armistice.

Don't forget, that Sunwell incident was indeed an accident. It was not Alleria's intent to do so, and don't forget that it was also Alleria who fixed the mess... all other elves present here just covered her back while she managed to close the rift. It shows us that blood elves does not have any knowledge how to protect Sunwell if some similar accident happens again, since they are exiling all of their people who study void, which makes exile of void elves even more illogical. Lor'themar could just easily ban them to enter Quel'danas, since it's obvious that only direct interaction with Sunwell is causing such backlashes and let them remain in the Horde. He just opened them path to join the Alliance. If there are people among your nation who bears some degree of danger to a facility that crucial to your race, you want to have control over them. You don't want to push them into the faction you are in war.

We also don't know how regular void elves interact with Sunwell. Alleria is definitely different kind of void elf, her powers differ to others. We can't 100% say that regular void elves would cause the same effect on Sunwell, given different degree of their powers. Since Alleria is transformed to void elf by way powerful source, it's safe to speculate that regular void elves would not cause that dramatic effects on Sunwell either. Possibilities are:
- They would occur the exact same even (which I find unlikely)
- They would occur weaker version of the even (which I find most likely)
- They would not occur no event at all (also, not that likely, but still a possibility)
- they would occur entirely different even

Last but not least, don't forget that Auric chose to be High Elf representative during WotLK timeline. That means before two brutal faction wars when Horde comminted much more questionable efforts than the Alliance, and in during that time, Horde was also eager to attack high elves on various place of Azeroth, killing them mercilessly. That includes blood elves. That alone could change his attitude towards high elves joining Silvermoon again for good... Just look at Jaina. She used also used to be Alliance character with strong Horde sympaties, which were completely abandoned after Horde destroyed her city, killed her subordinates and later abused neutral organisation she was in charge of.

I also think that Alleria coming back is also a thing which will be meaningful for him, since Alleria was his commander before and he took care of Allerian Stronghold on her command.

As others said, there eventually could be story about him joining Silvermoon, but Blizzard usually goes the way of least effort. That means creating brand new character with no background and personality, only to eternaly stand in Silvermoon as Horde high elf, instead of creating story and reasons why a character with already strong Alliance connection all of sudden chose to be Horde exclusively. That's a reason why there is no named void elf who was known before they were made and who had any role in blood elf society... they are all brand new characters (Alleria excluded, but she is special case).

actually people blame alleria because she was corrupted by the void and recklessly touched the sunwell which caused the whole problem. Using void magic is prohibited in Quelthalas for indicidents like this do not happen again.

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The way there was little to no celebration about blue eyes in the forums shows me the request wasn't exactly wanted. Yerah, we can't talk about everyone, but we can get the overall mood of the forums. After the initial datamining of blue yes (before Ion saying they wouldn't be available), we saw people celebrating, yes, but mostly to rub on the face of high elf requests.

It's very ironic something that was asked for repeatedly was granted and yet failed to be well received.

I always defended blue eyes on blood elves more when blizz added characters like lanesh in the game, and I agreed that they would give the alliance high elves but that they would give us things to the horde also as humans from Alterac for example

[Ardenaso]

apparently the Hordies on the official forums have shifted to plan C after failing to prevent off High Elves and Highborne in the Alliance - get Auric as their own

on one hand I do kinda agree that the Blood Elves need someone to represent the High Elves rejoining their Blood Elven kin and Auric would be the best representative, because that guy in the Isle of Thunder was ruled out as a mere inconsistency and even if he's not, he's not really an important character so Auric is the best person to represent the Horde High Elves

one the other hand, I also agree that "any self-proclaimed High Elf prancing around Silvermoon deserves to be punched in the face for not taking on the Blood Elf name to honor those who have fallen in the zombie apocalypse" and lorewise there would be secret lynching of blue eyed High Elves in Murder Row