Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Yes, I know, but because they believed that the high elves of Quelthalas were also followers of Kael.
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The opening of the Dark Portal brought news of my people's fate. In a way, my exile shielded me from sharing in their downfall, but to see the Farstriders throw their lot in with Kael'thas...

I never imagined my one-time brethren capable of such a thing.

The homecoming I once dreamt of will never happen. This forest is the only home I have left.
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Theloria_Shadecloak

but now everyone knows that the blood elves of quelthalas are not the same group as kael's followers

Ros'eleth works alongside the blood elves as a member of Unseen Path

What part of "This group tagged as alliance is alliance" is not clicking for you. It's like you are utterly obviating that Blood Elves are Horde and High Elves alliance.

OF COURSE many High Elves may have chosen to return to Quel'thalas after Kael's defeat, but you really keep dismissing the fact all of these Allerian elves were Alliance members that explicitly traveled to Draenor to fight the Horde, it's bonkers to presume most of them would simply join the Horde.

Literally look at Alleria; she is the "archetype" of those High Elves, and she pretty much is disgusted with the idea of BE's being Horde. That is most likely the general attitude of the Allerian Elves, and at BEST we have seen some of them be neutral towards the Horde.

Yet you keep thinking it is as likely for all of them to simply rejoin the Horde, and I literally cannot follow that logic.

[Ardenaso]

Heh. On the other hand I really do wish Eldre'thalas would be restored as a new Highborne grand city with Alleria as the leader, with a triumvirate of Umbric leading the Void Elves, Mordent leading the Shen'dralar, and Vereesa/Auric/Arator leading the High Elves

someone told me on r*ddit that he theorizes that the Windrunners are the second highest political group in Quel'thalas as they have the very huge spire higher than everyone else (though they have no position in the Convocation) so they have a huge political sway over Alliance leaning elves so it's not far-fetched hehe

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

perhaps they were in Theramore during the time of Frozen Throne, I guess. Now begs the question why would the Silver Covenant have to go through their self-brought trouble of fighting for the Alliance and fighting their Blood Elf kin when they could just be neutral like Vereesa's own husband, and pre-MOP Jaina and just chill around in Dalaran and the Argent Crusade outposts

Now where they were from the evacuation til the Vanilla dome is anybody's guess tbh, but I doubt Theramor. IMO it would have been more likely any safe alliance territory on the EK.

Also I think Vereesa's and the SC motivation is rather self evident. They are anti Horde. We have been told several times how much the Windrunners suffered during the Second War at the hands of the Horde, so the SC are very likely elves that suffered in a similar manner to the Windrunners. So as much as the BElves that suffered under Garithos became anti-alliance, the ones that suffered during the second war are more likely to be anti Horde.

I don't think it was just Kael'thas and Rommath, surely there has to be around a hundred Magisters who came from Dalaran to arrive back at Silvermoon since everything is downscaled.

Also there's that Paladin Trainer in Orgrimmar that isn't a Blood Knight, so he may have been like Mehlar; also with the Blood/High Elf Paladins/Priests in the Argent Dawn/Crusade that at least some of them should consider going back to Quel'thalas

but yeah I guess I also have to agree with this one ↓

Oh I agree, that's what I mean with "the origin of the Sunreavers"; that a lot of elves would have come with Kael and Rommath. But that's the point, as much Rommath represents the Dalarani Elves that returned to QT, Veressa and The SC represents the elves that didn't and remained staunchly alliance when the KT went neutral.

And as I already said:

And the third one (Melhar) is as far as we know the only confirmed elf that lived in human lands and returned to Quel'thalas outside that, and still I think it makes him a good representation of High Elves returning to QT post fall/during rebuilding.

So if we have representation of Melhar returning to Qt post fall, it's entirely likely many other high elves did and became Blood Elves -and may continue to do so in the present day-

(As for the specifics of the Paladin trainer in Orgimmar, wasn't he updated to be a Blood Knight?)

[Rhlor]

What part of "This group tagged as alliance is alliance" is not clicking for you. It's like you are utterly obviating that Blood Elves are Horde and High Elves alliance.

OF COURSE many High Elves may have chosen to return to Quel'thalas after Kael's defeat, but you really keep dismissing the fact all of these Allerian elves were Alliance members that explicitly traveled to Draenor to fight the Horde, it's bonkers to presume most of them would simply join the Horde.

Literally look at Alleria; she is the "archetype" of those High Elves, and she pretty much is disgusted with the idea of BE's being Horde. That is most likely the general attitude of the Allerian Elves, and at BEST we have seen some of them be neutral towards the Horde.

Yet you keep thinking it is as likely for all of them to simply rejoin the Horde, and I literally cannot follow that logic.

Ros'eleth if I remember correctly was friendly with the horde in the hunter class order, but to confirm I enter with my hunter.
and I did not say all I speak of 3 characters in specific

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Heh. On the other hand I really do wish Eldre'thalas would be restored as a new Highborne grand city with Alleria as the leader, with a triumvirate of Umbric leading the Void Elves, Mordent leading the Shen'dralar, and Vereesa/Auric/Arator leading the High Elves

someone told me on r*ddit that he theorizes that the Windrunners are the second highest political group in Quel'thalas as they have the very huge spire higher than everyone else (though they have no position in the Convocation) so they have a huge political sway over Alliance leaning elves so it's not far-fetched hehe

Honestly I kinda follow that theory. Just in in game representation the Windrunners are the only ones with a "seat of power" and a village, so I do buy into the theory that they were very high on the Thalassian Heriarchy.

Also let's not forget that the Void whispers to Alleria that "The throne of Silvermoon is yours by right" which also implies that the Windrunners might be part of the succession like after the Sunstriders. It's just odd that the whispers say "by right" instead of "you deserve it/ you should take it". "By right of power" is just "by might" so the wording does imply something heriarchical. Might be nothing tho.

I do like the idea of the modern "Highborne" coming together, but Alleria herself feels far too much like an outsider/free agrent. Like she refused the role of Ranger General; Umbric is ostensibly the leader of the VE. She simply comes across as preferring to act outside politics, which is why the whisper of "the throne is yours by right" seems to test that position.

IMO I don't think Alleria wants to be a leader, be it by preferring to be a wild card, or by fear of being led astray by the Void.

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Ros'eleth if I remember correctly was friendly with the horde in the hunter class order, but to confirm I enter with my hunter.
and I did not say all I speak of 3 characters in specific

FFS mate, Ros'eleth -as most members of the Class Halls- is friendly to BOTH factions, which makes her neutral dear lord. Use Context please.

[Varodoc]

It's really not a theory lmao. The Windrunners have always been the leaders of Quel'thalas' military forces, and had their own estate AND village to rule over. No other family (aside from the royal one) had as much wealth and prestige as they had.

Alleria proved to be a strong and decisive leader for the Ren'dorei in Legion and BfA, and would no doubt make for a great queen. She'd certainly be better than Theron, Mr. "Let's brainwash anyone who disagrees with me".

[Ardenaso]

(As for the specifics of the Paladin trainer in Orgimmar, wasn't he updated to be a Blood Knight?)

I don't have money to sub for Shadowlands but yeah, Avaros Dawnglaive doesn't look like a Blood Knight for me, though he is dressed as a post-WC2 and pre-Scourging non-Alliance High Elf like Thalorien



edit: Blood Knight wth

[Rhlor]

Honestly I kinda follow that theory. Just in in game representation the Windrunners are the only ones with a "seat of power" and a village, so I do buy into the theory that they were very high on the Thalassian Heriarchy.

Also let's not forget that the Void whispers to Alleria that "The throne of Silvermoon is yours by right" which also implies that the Windrunners might be part of the succession like after the Sunstriders. It's just odd that the whispers say "by right" instead of "you deserve it/ you should take it". "By right of power" is just "by might" so the wording does imply something heriarchical. Might be nothing tho.

I do like the idea of the modern "Highborne" coming together, but Alleria herself feels far too much like an outsider/free agrent. Like she refused the role of Ranger General; Umbric is ostensibly the leader of the VE. She simply comes across as preferring to act outside politics, which is why the whisper of "the throne is yours by right" seems to test that position.

IMO I don't think Alleria wants to be a leader, be it by preferring to be a wild card, or by fear of being led astray by the Void.

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FFS mate, Ros'eleth -as most members of the Class Halls- is friendly to BOTH factions, which makes her neutral dear lord. Use Context please.

sorry I thought you said that the npc was marked as neutral

but as I was saying she could return, she already worked together with the blood elves

[Ardenaso]

sorry I thought you said that the npc was marked as neutral

but as I was saying she could return, she already worked together with the blood elves

wasn't she flirting with a human (ugh) in TBC?

unless they make it so the human is a Lordaeronian and he compromises by pledging to the Argents instead of the Alliance

[Rhlor]

wasn't she flirting with a human (ugh) in TBC?

unless they make it so the human is a Lordaeronian and he compromises by pledging to the Argents instead of the Alliance

no, but I do think that a human was in love with her

[Thalassian Bob]

I actually think of that a lot tbh. It's entirely possible many young elves only knew Dalaran by reason of being born there, I also think it would have been a rite of passage to go to Quel'thalas at a point in their lives, to know "the homeland". Maybe some would still chose to remain in Dalaran, maybe some would re-settle to QT. Nonetheless, it's highly unlikely that in 3k years of living in the city there weren't elven births in the city, so then it truly becomes the question of what would these elves see as their true home? Dalaran or Quel'thalas?

And I mean, the fact that ultimately like 10% of the remaining thalassians didn't become Blood Elves, it could certainly imply this was the case for a number of them, now represented by the neutral and SC population of Dalaran.

Yeah, I can definitely imagine many families of Dalaran elves took regular trips back to "the Old Country". I know many Irish families living in England, for example, spend the summers back in Ireland and it could well have been the same of Quel'dorei Kirin Tor.

And it seems, inversely, (if Kael's life is anything to go by) that Dalaran was something of a New York or London (or maybe Oxford/Cambridge) for young high elves, an exciting and diverse place where studious and adventure-craving youngsters could spend time away from home getting world experience, honing their skills and trying new things.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

sorry I thought you said that the npc was marked as neutral

but as I was saying she could return, she already worked together with the blood elves

She could, yeah... But since she has also worked with the alliance, she could remain alliance even more easily.

But also by that logic, we then could point out to every Blood Elf that worked with the alliance during the Class halls as deciding to join the Alliance, which I don't think we should; cause pointing out which NPC's were part of neutral organizations doesn't, and shouldn't, mean they would join the opposite faction they have previously been on.

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Yeah, I can definitely imagine many families of Dalaran elves took regular trips back to "the Old Country". I know many Irish families living in England, for example, spend the summers back in Ireland and it could well have been the same of Quel'dorei Kirin Tor.

And it seems, inversely, (if Kael's life is anything to go by) that Dalaran was something of a New York or London (or maybe Oxford/Cambridge) for young high elves, an exciting and diverse place where studious and adventure-craving youngsters could spend time away from home getting world experience, honing their skills and trying new things.

Agreed 100%

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On different news, finally ported the Human male hairstyles into the VE model.

Note, this is all very clumsily done; I am very inexperienced when it comes to animation so basically I just created a mock skeleton for the head and dropped the hairstyles there -so then they follow the pose of the model- and with very minimal editing so it took like an afternoon overall -think the most editting I made was adding the VE nape to some hairstyles and remapping the bangles to use the VE bangle texture.



Didn't add the Hairstyles that already came from BE or already have a VE equivalent (foxtail) or the bald ones. Cause if I didn't spent enough time on the hairlines already, less so would on half bald head hairlines XD, and would anyone want them?

[Ardenaso]

no, but I do think that a human was in love with her

he was in love with her because she winks at him

[Rhlor]

he was in love with her because she winks at him

or is he just imagining it

[Thalassian Bob]

On different news, finally ported the Human male hairstyles into the VE model.

Note, this is all very clumsily done; I am very inexperienced when it comes to animation so basically I just created a mock skeleton for the head and dropped the hairstyles there -so then they follow the pose of the model- and with very minimal editing so it took like an afternoon overall -think the most editting I made was adding the VE nape to some hairstyles and remapping the bangles to use the VE bangle texture.

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/5wdqZS4.png[/IM]

Didn't add the Hairstyles that already came from BE or already have a VE equivalent (foxtail) or the bald ones. Cause if I didn't spent enough time on the hairlines already, less so would on half bald head hairlines XD, and would anyone want them?

I'm digging 2 and 6!

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

I don't have money to sub for Shadowlands but yeah, Avaros Dawnglaive doesn't look like a Blood Knight for me, though he is dressed as a post-WC2 and pre-Scourging non-Alliance High Elf like Thalorien



edit: Blood Knight wth

I mean I do remember they had made him a member of the silver hand, but after players pointed out how little sense it made, they changed where he stood:



So like, he is most likely still a Blood Knight regardless of how he dresses, since the Blood Elven order of Paladins are the Blood Knights, and even if he isn't a Blood Knight, there's really no way of knowing if he as a paladin before the Fall, or became one one by the time of Legion? Hard to know, and IMO it is kinda moot. All this might tell us is that, at most, he is a BE paladin that doesn't consider himself a Blood Knight, but not much about his origin beyond speculation.

Honestly? For me is just an issue created by making the class trainers members of the Class Orders, so they look like class order NPC's -I can't remember their names, but some Silver Hand BE npcs that help you in Stratholme use this armor if I'm remembering correctly-

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I'm digging 2 and 6!

Ah! are you counting

1-2
3-4
5-6
7-8
9-10

Or

1-6
2-7
3-8
4-9
5-10

XD!!

Nonetheless, I think the first one and the ponytail are my favorites.

[Ardenaso]

I mean I do remember they had made him a member of the silver hand, but after players pointed out how little sense it made, they changed where he stood:

So like, he is most likely still a Blood Knight regardless of how he dresses, since the Blood Elven order of Paladins are the Blood Knights, and even if he isn't a Blood Knight, there's really no way of knowing if he as a paladin before the Fall, or became one one by the time of Legion? Hard to know, and IMO it is kinda moot. All this might tell us is that, at most, he is a BE paladin that doesn't consider himself a Blood Knight, but not much about his origin beyond speculation.

Honestly? For me is just an issue created by making the class trainers members of the Class Orders, so they look like class order NPC's -I can't remember their names, but some Silver Hand BE npcs that help you in Stratholme use this armor if I'm remembering correctly

I actually preferred him having an Argent Crusade at least a non-Alliance Silver Hand offshoot banner, at least it actually reinforces the idea of neutral Silver Hand Paladins that aren't Blood Knights like Arator (he's Alliance actually but you get the point) going back to Quel'thalas

but yes I do agree on the last part you said

[The Silver Covenant]

I just gotta drop in to say that the new Blood Elf options should have all been given to the Alliance. It's just High Elf/Silver Covenant aesthetic stuff. Blizzard: true High Elf fans will never enjoy playing Horde. Just stop trying to subvert the good story Metzen told.

[Kyriani]

She could, yeah... But since she has also worked with the alliance, she could remain alliance even more easily.

But also by that logic, we then could point out to every Blood Elf that worked with the alliance during the Class halls as deciding to join the Alliance, which I don't think we should; cause pointing out which NPC's were part of neutral organizations doesn't, and shouldn't, mean they would join the opposite faction they have previously been on.

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Agreed 100%

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On different news, finally ported the Human male hairstyles into the VE model.

Note, this is all very clumsily done; I am very inexperienced when it comes to animation so basically I just created a mock skeleton for the head and dropped the hairstyles there -so then they follow the pose of the model- and with very minimal editing so it took like an afternoon overall -think the most editting I made was adding the VE nape to some hairstyles and remapping the bangles to use the VE bangle texture.



Didn't add the Hairstyles that already came from BE or already have a VE equivalent (foxtail) or the bald ones. Cause if I didn't spent enough time on the hairlines already, less so would on half bald head hairlines XD, and would anyone want them?

This looks amazing! Do you think you could also do the new Human hairstyles too?

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

This looks amazing! Do you think you could also do the new Human hairstyles too?

Thank you! But as far as new hairstyles go, Don't have beta so I cant!!

But if someone could export the new hairstyles as .obj with initial pose only in WMV I could work with that!

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I actually preferred him having an Argent Crusade at least a non-Alliance Silver Hand offshoot banner, at least it actually reinforces the idea of neutral Silver Hand Paladins that aren't Blood Knights like Arator (he's Alliance actually but you get the point) going back to Quel'thalas

but yes I do agree on the last part you said

Yeh, tbh I think they dropped the ball a bit by making The Silver Hand go so readily back to the Alliance during BfA. I do like the idea of class organizations being neutral, so maybe it should have never been the Silver Hand on the first place :/