Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Ardenaso]

Hopefully this related to the high elves of the horde, that territory according to the chronicle maps is part of the sovereign territory of the kingdom of Quelthalas! and must remain part of quelthalas now and forever!

I got the impression that that region is at least where the Grain Caravan crossed from Stratholme to Hearthglen

Perhaps in my "Actually Reforged Campaign" project I should make that area into a High Elf settlement where Arthas happens to cross that area while tracking down the Grain and you get an actual introduction of the High Elf Sorceresses in game instead of being shoved in Hearthglen proper

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the only high elf we know was a paladin before the invasion is currently in the horde

to be fair Arator too but he's "diluted with the lesser races" as Elisande said

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

to be fair Arator too but he's "diluted with the lesser races" as Elisande said

Wasn't Arator like... 14 by the time of the Third War?

[Varx]

Dude don't try to be cute about it.



Also FFS, even if we had legit AR High Elves, PALADINS ARE NOT GUARANTEED.

Wait wait wait, what do you mean "if"? Everyone has been celebrating and raving that we finally have high elves. What do you mean by that comment.

We still have high elves coming right. This has to be a bug.

Someone with beta access please make a ticket or something. I can only imagine the fallout if blizzard doesn't follow through.

Ill keep checking but each time i try to make my helf it wont let me make a pally and forces me to have velf racials. I know its ptr and bugs happen but its important to be vocal with blizz.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Wait wait wait, what do you mean "if"? Everyone has been celebrating and raving that we finally have high elves. What do you mean by that comment.

We still have high elves coming right. This has to be a bug.

Someone with beta access please make a ticket or something. I can only imagine the fallout if blizzard doesn't follow through.

Ill keep checking but each time i try to make my helf it wont let me make a pally and forces me to have velf racials. I know its ptr and bugs happen but its important to be vocal with blizz.

Okay troll

[Varx]

Okay troll

How am i trolling. Im just trying to get clarification. I keep seeing people rave on how we "won" and got alliance high elves yet I can't make one on the PTR. All I can make are fair skinned void elves which will never scratch my itch as they're still void elves with void elf racials, heritage armor, emotes, racial mount, etc.

Are they coming or not? If they're not then im the trollie for being fed false information.

Please someone inform blizzard before they overlook this bug.


I even told my warcraft 2 fan friend that the alliance finally has high elves. He's not going to be happy when he finds out that the actual uncorrupted high elves are still horde seeing as how they have blue eyes now, have access to silvermoon city and the sunwell, have queldorie robes as heritage armor, and normal hawkstriders as racial mounts. Oh also their physiology doesn't prevent them from being paladins.


I mean how can I RP as a helf comfortably when turning into barney every minute forced me to partake in mental gymnastics and convince my self that its not happening.

Hell gameplay wise im gimmped since using the velf on use abilty essencially forces me to accept that i am not playing a helf since last time i checked helves can't innately rip a tear in space to teleport forward.

[Strippling]

Also FFS, even if we had legit AR High Elves, PALADINS ARE NOT GUARANTEED.

Agreed. Paladins were not a high elf thing until the order of the blood knights (ie. a blood elf thing).

[Ardenaso]

Agreed. Paladins were not a high elf thing until the order of the blood knights (ie. a blood elf thing).

and one of the only two high elf ones is at the Horde, and the other a mixed race half-elf; so yeah I'm kinda agreeing now

[Kyriani]

According to Ion Hazzikostas:

Blood Elves are pretty much High Elves... Void Elves are also pretty much another flavor of High Elves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BsxB4NJIBs

Also Blood Elves do not have "Quel'dorei" robes as heritaqe armor They have Sin'dorei robes as heritage armor. On the other hand, Void Elves can use the Quel'dorei steed that Blood Elves cannot.

If you aren't trolling, then you're just getting hung up on the racial tag of "High Elf". No one seems to be getting that. Not Blood Elves, nor Void Elves. People are cheering that they "won" because, while they didn't get the allied race they really wanted, they got the next best thing: High Elf customization options for Void Elves so players can RP as one of the High Elf Wayfarers who decided to join Alleria in Telogrus.

The initial group of Void Elves were part of Umbric's "squad" and were transformed in the disrupted ritual. The new generations of Void Elves however, are implied to be actual High Elves who have been with the Alliance all this time (High Elf Wayfarers) and also Blood Elves who have defected from the Horde (Silvermoon Scholars). So it could be technically said that Alliance have both High Elves and Blood Elves now via Void Elves.

The fact that Void Elves have two "themes" now is a point of contention among Horde players who have been asking for San'layn/Dark Ranger customization options so they can have a second theme as well for Blood Elves to balance things out.

One of the major features of Shadowlands is Blizzard moving away from an allied race for every variant of an existing race and adding those visual distinctions as customization options instead. Dwarves will have Wildhammer customization options. Their racial tag will still say Dwarf, but players will now be able to RP as a Wildhammer Dwarf instead of being a standard Bronzebeard Dwarf. In the same sense, Trolls will have a variety of options to look like members of the various troll tribes that were previously unplayable instead of the default Darkspear trolls. If that's acceptable for those races then its acceptable to say that these High Elf customization options give players the visual elements required to RP their Void Elves as High Elves. Neither Blood Elves nor Void Elves seem to be getting a way to change their racial tag to say "High Elf" so this is the next best thing.

That Blizzard seems to be moving away from derivative allied races (at least for Shadowlands), and putting those resources into customization for existing races, implies that yet another Thalassian derivative race is unlikely any time soon. Void Elves are getting what Blizzard has called "High Elf customization options". This is a win for those seeking to play Alliance High Elves. If you aren't satisfied with that, you're welcome to complain, but don't piss in the cereal of those who find this as an acceptable compromise. If people are happy with this... let them be happy.

As you can see, the Alliance now have High Elves through Void Elves:

CLICK TO ENBIGGEN!


CLICK TO ENBIGGEN!

[Ardenaso]

on the other hand, I'm still thinking that blue eyed Blood Elves should never dare call themselves High Elves; any self-proclaiming High Elf trotting around Silvermoon deserves to get punched in the face and lynched at Murder Row for not taking the name that honors their fallen kin

[Rootsbum]

Not having blonde hair on my velf is like wanting a vanilla icecream, but with small specks of poo on the tip wich I have to eat around

Would LOVE a dark void skin combined with a dirty blonde

[Kyriani]

on the other hand, I'm still thinking that blue eyed Blood Elves should never dare call themselves High Elves; any self-proclaiming High Elf trotting around Silvermoon deserves to get punched in the face and lynched at Murder Row for not taking the name that honors their fallen kin

I have to agree with this. Blood Elves call themselves Sin'dorei to honor the fallen of Quel'thalas. I would imagine that any citizen of Silvermoon who called themselves something other than Sin'dorei would be seen as insulting the fallen and be seen in a poor light at the very least. The simplest explanation for Blood Elves having blue eyes is that the Sunwell has finally begun cleansing the felt taint that made their eyes green over the years.

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Not having blonde hair on my velf is like wanting a vanilla icecream, but with small specks of poo on the tip wich I have to eat around

Would LOVE a dark void skin combined with a dirty blonde

I have a feeling we'll see additional hair colors for void elves at some point. Perhaps not at pre-patch but certainly at some point in Shadowlands.

[Heartbreaker23]

How am i trolling. Im just trying to get clarification. I keep seeing people rave on how we "won" and got alliance high elves yet I can't make one on the PTR. All I can make are fair skinned void elves which will never scratch my itch as they're still void elves with void elf racials, heritage armor, emotes, racial mount, etc.

Exactly what I keep saying.

[Strippling]

Not having blonde hair on my velf is like wanting a vanilla icecream, but with small specks of poo on the tip wich I have to eat around

Would LOVE a dark void skin combined with a dirty blonde

I'd prefer if void elves and blood elves had at least some level of distinction between them. Keep void elf hair as dark (to reflect the void) and keep blood elf hair as is.

Give blood elves farstrider and magister tattoos, runic markings, feather options (for farstrider fantasy) and give them dark ranger options (to counter the second visual that void elves have).

Give void elves jewelry options (not the same as blood elves, they can have their own unique options), a few more "emo/goth" hair styles, some more tentacle hair styles, void tattoos (similar to LFD but obviously with void colors), and give them ear options like blood elves.

[Varx]

Im confused man I though we were fighting for actual high elves for years. Everyone was upset with velfs and their ass pull story. Now we're happy just cuz of the semblence of being a helf through fair skin and blue eyes. Hmmmm seems very contradictory to what ive read here.

Cuz right now, no matter how you spin it, we're playing with velvs and if aesthetics is the thing that determines what a helf is then helves are now horde since they have blond hair and aren't forced to turn purple.

[Varodoc]

Not sure if you guys have seen this, any chance it's related to high elf/void elf stuff?

https://twitter.com/mrgmyt/status/12...532673541?s=21

If 10.0 is a Void-centered expansion, I could see the Ren'dorei play a major role, especially in the Quel'thalas storyline. After all, Alleria and Umbric expressed a strong desire to bring Quel'thalas back into the fold.

However, I am not fully convinced that this is the case. If Blizzard really wanted to update Quel'thalas, why not just do it in BfA? So many people speculated that Silvermoon would become a warfront.

That being said, I remember that there was also some datamining back in BfA alpha about the void elves occupying that island... so who knows... it's too early to say, but if 10.0 is very centered around the Void, I could see the Ren'dorei and Quel'thalas come into play somehow.

[FlubberPuddy]

I have a feeling we'll see additional hair colors for void elves at some point. Perhaps not at pre-patch but certainly at some point in Shadowlands.

Yup. Giving the eye colors and skin colors that Void Elves got now was Blizzard being preemptive on avoiding the shitshow if they came out with only showing Blood Elves getting Blue Eyes (it would've sent the message that High Elf fans weren't listened to even if internally it was decided Void Elves would get those options when it came time for AR customization).

Proper Allied Race customization hasn't began yet, and like now we're unlikely to see much more further for Allied Races until after Shadowlands have launched proper and the non-Allied Races have gotten their customization options locked in for launch.

By then it'll also be nice because Blizzard will have a lot more data on fans of Allied Races of what customizations they'd want to see on them. Should make it easier for them to make their requests

Just like it was the majority (High Elf fans and Void Elf fans alike) asking for 'Alleria-like skintones'/'human skintones' that gave Void Elves the extra options today to look like High Elves.

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Im confused man I though we were fighting for actual high elves for years. Everyone was upset with velfs and their ass pull story. Now we're happy just cuz of the semblence of being a helf through fair skin and blue eyes. Hmmmm seems very contradictory to what ive read here.

Cuz right now, no matter how you spin it, we're playing with velvs and if aesthetics is the thing that determines what a helf is then helves are now horde since they have blond hair and aren't forced to turn purple.

Kek, "we". I recall your posts being the opposite of, "fighting for actual high elves".

Btw @Kyriani is correct. Blizzard have deemed the new options Void Elves have gotten as High Elf customization options (it was said in an interview). There is no spinning to be done. Just like the new dwarf options allow a player to play as a Wildhammer Dwarf. So if you're still confused by it I suppose you should take it up with Blizzard support and report back to us how they answer your tickets.

After all I remember posters in the past sharing Blizzard ticket responses to the High Elf discussion, so I'm sure you'll be fine doing it. Share with us what you find!

[Varx]

Yup. Giving the eye colors and skin colors that Void Elves got now was Blizzard being preemptive on avoiding the shitshow if they came out with only showing Blood Elves getting Blue Eyes (it would've sent the message that High Elf fans weren't listened to even if internally it was decided Void Elves would get those options when it came time for AR customization).

Proper Allied Race customization hasn't began yet, and like now we're unlikely to see much more further for Allied Races until after Shadowlands have launched proper and the non-Allied Races have gotten their customization options locked in for launch.

By then it'll also be nice because Blizzard will have a lot more data on fans of Allied Races of what customizations they'd want to see on them. Should make it easier for them to make their requests

Just like it was the majority (High Elf fans and Void Elf fans alike) asking for 'Alleria-like skintones'/'human skintones' that gave Void Elves the extra options today to look like High Elves.

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Kek, "we". I recall your posts being the opposite of, "fighting for actual high elves".

Btw @Kyriani is correct. Blizzard have deemed the new options Void Elves have gotten as High Elf customization options (it was said in an interview). There is no spinning to be done. Just like the new dwarf options allow a player to play as a Wildhammer Dwarf. So if you're still confused by it I suppose you should take it up with Blizzard support and report back to us how they answer your tickets.

After all I remember posters in the past sharing Blizzard ticket responses to the High Elf discussion, so I'm sure you'll be fine doing it. Share with us what you find!

High Elf options and wildhammer options dont mean you're playing that race. It's just flavor to resemble the actual race. For wildhammer tats, think of it as bronzebeard dwarves who are wildhammer weebs. Otherwise that ideology would make the idea of allied races redundant.

It's like a paladin wearing DK or warrior tier armor. You can pretend you're a DK/war all you want but you're still a pally.

So these options are more of a bandaid fix and did not give us what we wanted. Accepting it as that is just double thinking. "Oh yeah forget the emotes, heritage armor, starting zone. No I'm playing a wildhammer dwarf".

As for my previous posts, I just found the light a while ago and feel cheated that my fellow helfers seem to have forgotten what they stood for and accepted void elves after years of hate just because now they have blue eyes and fair skin. The asspull lore doesn't matter anymore, it's all about the aesthetics. In that case what the hell was the point of the thread when the horde already had we was asked for minus blue eyes. I doubt blue eyes are enough to spark this entire war.

[FlubberPuddy]

High Elf options and wildhammer options dont mean you're playing that race. It's just flavor to resemble the actual race. For wildhammer tats, think of it as bronzebeard dwarves who are wildhammer weebs. Otherwise that ideology would make the idea of allied races redundant.

Just like Void Storage is now redundant because we have a Collections tab. This is how Blizzard works, if they find a better way to innovate on something they do it. They don't mind that they previously introduced in hindsight a lesser form of innovation. That's how iteration works.

As for your non-bolded part, Blizzard disagrees so take it up with their support as suggested (didn't you say you were going to?) and please get back to us with your info.

[Amaterasu65]

Not having blonde hair on my velf is like wanting a vanilla icecream, but with small specks of poo on the tip wich I have to eat around

Would LOVE a dark void skin combined with a dirty blonde

Stracciatella Elves!

I think the new hair colors/haircuts will come in another patch this expansion. I can wait since I really like my human mage with the new witcher haircut. But I will roll VE once the changes are finalized and I am fancy of them. Haven't race changed since I started.

[Varx]

Just like Void Storage is now redundant because we have a Collections tab. This is how Blizzard works, if they find a better way to innovate on something they do it. They don't mind that they previously introduced in hindsight a lesser form of innovation. That's how iteration works.

As for your non-bolded part, Blizzard disagrees so take it up with their support as suggested (didn't you say you were going to?) and please get back to us with your info.

Void storage isn't on the same level of redundancy since you can still utilize it if you're a god level hoarder.

How exactly do they disagree. Not once have they said that void elves that are fair skinned and blue eyes are actually high elves. Not once have they said that dwaves with tattoos are wildhammers. They're are just options to help players customize their characters in a lore appropriate manner. It doesn't change what race they're actually playing. Who's to say a bronzebeard dwarf didn't grow up admiring wildhammer culture and decides to get tattoos. But a bronzebeard admiring dark iron culture, what are they going to do, drop hot sauce in their eye balls and light their hair on fire?

You can't sit their and tell me, "yeah no im playing an alliance high elf", have your velf racial proc, and then tell me you're still playing a helf.

Again, thats like a warrior in paladin tier believing they're a paladin while charging and MS'ing their target's face. Like that's some next level double think.