Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Rhlor]

Logically yeah. Doubly so since you can be a "high elf warlock". This would turn their eyes green. Unlikely though and I'm not exactly making a case for it before any belf players get upset.

almost all my alts are blood elves and i agree with this
I think the only exclusive eyes have to be the golden ones! and we have to have light hair and light skin like the void elves have hair with void tentacles and void skin

[Phaelia]

It's not about 'getting anything comparable in return'.

Blizzard already admitted that the more popular races will get more options over the less popular races. So not every race is expected to have the same amount of customization options.

And if it isn't enough then I hope you were one of the scant few that were actually posting about what they'd like to see for Blood Elves. Not simply what to keep away from other races.

Most Blood Elf players I saw were too concentrated on keeping out High Elf customization from Alliance that all they pretty much asked for were "Blue Eyes for Blood Elves" - a very popular phrase that got thrown around.

And guess what? Blizzard added exactly that to Blood Elves + those jewelry/hair options/hair colors/ear lengths etc.

If people are upset about not many new customizations they sure as heck weren't letting Blizzard know. Hence why it's like I and others say: focus on talking about what you wanna see for your particular race and not what you don't want to see on other races you don't like/care about in the first place.

I’m not talking about what Void Elves shouldn’t get because that ship has sailed, I’m talking about how Blood Elves don’t feel unique enough with their customizations. I’d be happy as a clam if they’d give me Dark Ranger options.

[FlubberPuddy]

I’m not talking about what Void Elves shouldn’t get because that ship has sailed, I’m talking about how Blood Elves don’t feel unique enough with their customizations. I’d be happy as a clam if they’d give me Dark Ranger options.

You said BE didn't get 'anything comparable in return', I was pointing out that it's never been about 'getting anything comparable' in the first place.

BE got a few new customizations, allegedly having far more customizations before the Shadowlands ones btw, so if those aren't enough for you then it's best to focus on posting more about what more new customizations you'd like to see on BE.

Trying to do any sort of relations to other races like talking about 'unique skins' or w/e won't change that Blizzard never built the amount of customization options within a race with the idea that 'each race has a comparable amount of options'.

That's what I'm pointing out.

Notice I never mention Void Elves as well.

[Rhlor]

i never ever wanted blood elves to have cannibal evil zombie customization! our theme is light! the zombie theme belongs to the forsaken! I prefer that they give elf ears to the forsaken, some have already made fan concepts

[Strippling]

Blood elves don't need anything and are not entitled to anything. Void elves were entitled to fair-skin tones, since their leader had fair skin tone. That doesn't mean blood elves deserve anything in return. Void elves didn't steal anything, they simply received what they always deserved.

So you have an issue with people saying "void elves shouldn't get customization options that make them look like blood elves", but you'll happy declare "blood elves don't need anything".

Blood elves received some of the poorest customization options, and some of them were even shared with void elves (the new darker skins). Females got some jewellery while the males got nada. Night elves got to look like the box cover art and were even given some highborne options. Blood elves most definitely deserve similar box art options (ie runic markings) and other options to help fulfill integral parts of their society (such as farstrider tattoos and feathers).

Dark ranger options should be given too, but personally I wouldn't care if these come via blood elves or undead.

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Since Blood Elves are basically neutral Pandaren now, I think velfs should get the ear size options too, if hair color and paladins are not happening. Half elves are usually depicted with short pointy ears, and because they are half human, most of them would probably live in Stormwind.

I'd say void elves will get the ear options, and they should. They should also get black and white hair colors and some new unique hair styles.

Blood elves should get farstrider tattoos, runic markings, feather and braid options.

Both should get eye brow options as well.

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Oh but you did not seem to have a problem with the Horde fanboys who fought for years to deny us void elf players the righthful fair skin tones we deserved, even though they made perfect sense lorewise.

Its kind of funny how the tables have turned, now its blood elf players who are begging Blizzard to give them some void elf options.

I don't want void elf options. They can keep them as they're unique to void elves and fit their theme.

I'm hoping for more blood elf options which include farstrider options (tattoos, feathers, braids), runic markings and possibly dark ranger options.

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You said BE didn't get 'anything comparable in return', I was pointing out that it's never been about 'getting anything comparable' in the first place.

BE got a few new customizations, allegedly having far more customizations before the Shadowlands ones btw, so if those aren't enough for you then it's best to focus on posting more about what more new customizations you'd like to see on BE.

Trying to do any sort of relations to other races like talking about 'unique skins' or w/e won't change that Blizzard never built the amount of customization options within a race with the idea that 'each race has a comparable amount of options'.

That's what I'm pointing out.

Notice I never mention Void Elves as well.

For one who constantly proclaims "stop focusing on what others are requesting and just focus on what you want for your race" you seem to spend more time patronizing players who have expressed concern about "blood elf options or about void elves potentially becoming a carbon copy of blood elves" than you do asking for options that fit the void elf race.

[Wired-Lain]

I’m not talking about what Void Elves shouldn’t get because that ship has sailed, I’m talking about how Blood Elves don’t feel unique enough with their customizations. I’d be happy as a clam if they’d give me Dark Ranger options.

I'm surprised Dark Ranger customization didn't happen. Feels like a natural fit given how blizzard went out of their way to establish many of them stuck with the horde. For the time being I'd say blood elves do feel unique to me with their fel green eyes, faded teal, gold and blind options, as well as the classes, city, mount etc. They have more focus and attention than void/high elves will ever have given their status.

As an alliance high elf all you got is the arcane. For me personally if I wanted to play a Thalassian warlock on the alliance the lack of any proper customization kind of keeps me away from it. Same goes for one that isn't reliant on magic, a holy priest with gold etc.

Hell you can just roll a blood elf shadow priest and get your void fix.

[Ardenaso]

They could still make San'layn an AR too, since they said they weren't done with ARs and would add them when the story/context was appropriate.

oh dios mio, no more elves!

[FlubberPuddy]

For one who constantly proclaims "stop focusing on what others are requesting and just focus on what you want for your race" you seem to spend more time patronizing players who have expressed concern about "blood elf options or about void elves potentially becoming a carbon copy of blood elves" than you do asking for options that fit the void elf race.

You should stop twisting words, as you so often do. I've never said "stop focusing on what others are requesting and just focus on what you want for your race"

I said:

keep asking for the things you'd like to see other races get, instead of what others should not get.

I'll spell out the difference between your quote and mine.

You: focusing on what other people are wanting.

Me: focusing on what other player races should get.

And the reason I 'spend time "patronizing players" (as you put it)' is because I'm simply telling others not to waste their time in case they didn't realize it.

Just like the poster I was replying to, talking about how Blood Elves have received 'comparatively less' than other races. When Blizzard isn't caring about each race getting a comparable amount of options.

It's simply to notify someone: Hey in case you didn't know, the devs don't care about it.

That way one doesn't go around complaining "blizzard doesn't seem to listen at all, they're not taking my complaints seriously!" and it's because that complaint had nothing to do with Blizzard's goal in the first place.

But I mean sure if you or others wanna let people engage in tomfoolery then be my guest, no skin off my back. It's simply passing advice.

[Strippling]

As an alliance high elf all you got is the arcane. For me personally if I wanted to play a Thalassian warlock on the alliance the lack of any proper customization kind of keeps me away from it. Same goes for one that isn't reliant on magic, a holy priest with gold etc.

Firstly, in what way are void elves lacking any proper customization for warlocks that keeps you away from them? Is there something other alliance warlock races have that void elves are missing?

Secondly, void elf priests are strictly shadow priests in lore. Being holy or discipline is a by-product of gameplay limitations. Also, given that void elves have A)infused themselves with void, and B) been banished from the sunwell, I find it hard to justify them getting golden eyes.

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It's simply to notify someone: Hey in case you didn't know, the devs don't care about it.

It really isn't "simply to notify someone". You're generally the first one to harass someone in here who posts a comment which is in disagreement with your views. You're not one to practice what you preach. It's fine to have your own opinion on the matter, just maybe avoid the hypocrisy and either practice what you preach or just allow others to share their views despite what you feel?

Quite simple.

IMO, should void elves get more customizations? Heck yes. Should blood elves? Heck yes. Should they get options that make them look more similar or options that respect some level of differentiation between the two? IMO, I'd rather them not be identical. Why? Not to be petty, but because I personally appreciate each race having something unique to them that they can have "pride" in. There is nothing wrong with races having unique features, I mean it's kind of the fundamental reason there are different races to choose from in the first place... to offer players a unique experience depending on the race they select. IMO, homogenization of races is never a good thing. You can disagree but no need to get all antsy about it just because some players view or appreciate different things to you. It's as simple as that.

[FlubberPuddy]

It really isn't "simply to notify someone". You're generally the first one to harass someone in here who posts a comment which is in disagreement with your views. You're not one to practice what you preach. It's fine to have your own opinion on the matter, just maybe avoid the hypocrisy and either practice what you preach or just allow others to share their views despite what you feel?

Responding to someone's post isn't harassment, especially if they quote me and I respond back to that.

I do practice what I preach, you'll never find any post of mine saying anything near "BEs already have so much customization, the players requesting customizations for them should stop asking for it because they have so much already."

Sadly that cannot be said for the many more I've seen who say such things about VEs. But I can only control myself, not others.

"Allow others to share their views" is exactly what you and I are doing by posting on this forum. Unsure why you're pointing out the obvious.

I point out things that aren't obvious, like telling people Blizzard's mindset of not trying to give each and every playable race an equal amount of customization options. Most players won't know that a Blizzard developer said that unless they follow all WoW news on Wowhead, which since we can see people saying 'X race has more options than Y race' show that those players don't follow all the news.

Thus, quite simply, mentioning news someone may not have heard isn't harassment. Remember, we're all free to report posts we think don't follow forum guidelines - that's all I'll say on that.

[Swnem]

I’m not talking about what Void Elves shouldn’t get because that ship has sailed, I’m talking about how Blood Elves don’t feel unique enough with their customizations. I’d be happy as a clam if they’d give me Dark Ranger options.

I don't think adding even more themes is gonna make them more unique. Blood elves already have the light theme, the fel theme and now the high elf theme. Adding another one is not gonna make them unique, it will just dilute it even more.
In my opinion they should have the fel theme expanded cause that is what they were introduced as. The light theme is already represented more clearly on the Draenei. So, the road to making blood elves unique is to double down on the fel like the void was used for Void elves.
Say, some fel scar customization, greener skin tones, hair with some fel effects, etc. Lets embrace that fel theme.

[Strippling]

I don't think adding even more themes is gonna make them more unique. Blood elves already have the light theme, the fel theme and now the high elf theme. Adding another one is not gonna make them unique, it will just dilute it even more.
In my opinion they should have the fel theme expanded cause that is what they were introduced as. The light theme is already represented more clearly on the Draenei. So, the road to making blood elves unique is to double down on the fel like the void was used for Void elves.
Say, some fel scar customization, greener skin tones, hair with some fel effects, etc. Lets embrace that fel theme. No other race has it.

Green skinned orcs say hi.

Blood elves have the farstriders, a theme which is still not available to them via customizations. Nor do they have runic markings which is another unique feature to them.

Dark rangers are a theme within the Horde and it would be great if this option was made available. In saying that, I'm not gonna cry over spilt milk if these options are never added, but it'd be great if they did. Whether they do it via blood elves (makes most sense due to the model) or via undead does not bother me.

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Responding to someone's post isn't harassment, especially if they quote me and I respond back to that.

I do practice what I preach, you'll never find any post of mine saying anything near "BEs already have so much customization, the players requesting customizations for them should stop asking for it because they have so much already."

Sadly that cannot be said for the many more I've seen who say such things about VEs. But I can only control myself, not others.

"Allow others to share their views" is exactly what you and I are doing by posting on this forum. Unsure why you're pointing out the obvious.

I point out things that aren't obvious, like telling people Blizzard's mindset of not trying to give each and every playable race an equal amount of customization options. Most players won't know that a Blizzard developer said that unless they follow all WoW news on Wowhead, which since we can see people saying 'X race has more options than Y race' show that those players don't follow all the news.

Thus, quite simply, mentioning news someone may not have heard isn't harassment. Remember, we're all free to report posts we think don't follow forum guidelines - that's all I'll say on that.

I suppose the connotation of written text can be hard to discern, it just often feels that your comments about players "opposed to void elves becoming carbon copy of blood elves" often come across as quite sour. That said, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you allow players to post on this forum without "mocking" them for the views.

[Rhlor]

oh dios mio, no more elves!

venthyr!!!

[Swnem]

Green skinned orcs say hi.

Blood elves have the farstriders, a theme which is still not available to them via customizations. Nor do they have runic markings which is another unique feature to them.

Dark rangers are a theme within the Horde and it would be great if this option was made available. In saying that, I'm not gonna cry over spilt milk if these options are never added, but it'd be great if they did. Whether they do it via blood elves (makes most sense due to the model) or via undead does not bother me.

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I suppose the connotation of written text can be hard to discern, it just often feels that your comments about players "opposed to void elves becoming carbon copy of blood elves" often come across as quite sour. That said, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you allow players to post on this forum without "mocking" them for the views.

That's a good point. I totally forgot about green orcs. Not exactly what i had in mind though. I was thinking about something more vivid like the void effects in void elves. Shinier stuff, not just the green skin.

[Eric Arthur Blair]

That's a good point. I totally forgot about green orcs. Not exactly what i had in mind though. I was thinking about something more vivid like the void effects in void elves. Shinier stuff, not just the green skin.

Something like this?

[Varodoc]

So you have an issue with people saying "void elves shouldn't get customization options that make them look like blood elves", but you'll happy declare "blood elves don't need anything".

1) Blood elves don't own fair skin options.
2) Void elves deserved fair skin options because of Alleria.

Explain how BEs are entitled to anything because of VEs getting fair skin options.

I don't want void elf options. They can keep them as they're unique to void elves and fit their theme.

I'm hoping for more blood elf options which include farstrider options (tattoos, feathers, braids), runic markings and possibly dark ranger options.

Then ask for them without making the weird and random argument that they deserve them because VEs got fair skin options.

Also if BEs get farstrider options, then so should VEs. Since the umbral rangers are former farstriders.

[delus]

As someone posted here a while back:

To quote:

The distinction would have been blue eyes, but then they gave blood elves that too, I am fine with void elves having hair and skin colours from blood elves, but I agree with you something should be different, and that should be hairstyles.

I would also limit the skin colours and hair colours they both share, I would give void elves 1 blond and 1 red ish based hair, that's it, and possible 3 skin colours, one pale white, 1 with a slight tan, and one brown.. that's it.

The hues should be different too.. like void elves get a pitch black black hair and silver white hair colour, which is different from the blood elves' black and white, but also their blond hue should be different.

This is EXACTLY how they did the eyes, they gave the blood elves 3 versions of blue, but the void elves have like 5 versions because blue eyes are native to them.

The natural skin colours on void elves should not be the same as on blood elves, but maybe that's all to do with the racism thing going on atm, so if we exampt skin colour, then hair colour is the one i think the sharing should be limited and roughly the same as the eyes.

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In summary:

From blood elves:
3 new void elf skin tones: normal pale, rose pale, and brown
3 new void elf hair colours: blonde hue, the ginger hue, brown

1. New void elf skin tones and effects: Void elf hues >> than the imported ones from blood elves
2. New void elf hair colours and effects: e.g. pure silver white, midnight pitch black, more purple and blue variations
3. New void elf hairstyles - none of these from blood elves.

Well, it's too late to limit skin color. The cat's out of the bag. Blood elf DKs also have always had access to void elf like skin tones as well.

[Beloren]

Really? Cause i see lots of blood elf fans not wanting void elves to get hairstyles or colors.
Maybe we could not care about what haters don't want, instead of gettting defensive about it and hating back?

That's unfair, we are afterall the same race with minor variations, it isn't unusual for us to ask for some void elf options, you guys have been asking for blood elf race for years, and you still asking for suff from blood elves like hair colours, just like some of your night elf counterparts are wanting the highborne stuff from the nightborne - I'm just pointing this out, afterall i have advocated for some of our colours to go o you, just not all of them.

[delus]

Green skinned orcs say hi.

Blood elves have the farstriders, a theme which is still not available to them via customizations. Nor do they have runic markings which is another unique feature to them.

Dark rangers are a theme within the Horde and it would be great if this option was made available. In saying that, I'm not gonna cry over spilt milk if these options are never added, but it'd be great if they did. Whether they do it via blood elves (makes most sense due to the model) or via undead does not bother me.

It would make the most sense to add undead elves as a forsaken option rather than blood elves. Lorewise dark rangers were members of the forsaken and the forsaken included elves.

[Ardenaso]

It would make the most sense to add undead elves as a forsaken option rather than blood elves. Lorewise dark rangers were members of the forsaken and the forsaken included elves.

agreed, it would also be really weird to see undead Demon Hunters and undead Paladins

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void elves are superior to blood elves for one reason: they dont give you a headache if you accidentally type 'lol' (Atleast on the female characters)

agreed; Void Elves > Blood Elves > Nightborne > Forsaken Elves > Naga > Satyr > High Elves > Highborne